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JLan

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Apologies for sapphire e-ring request #4972 on these boards, but....

My girlfriend and I are planning on getting engaged in December (though we''re doing wedding planning now, this is just the formal engagement). I know that it''s early to be looking for an e-ring, but for various reasons, it''s easier to look for an e-ring now than it would be later on. And of course, there''s plenty of time to make sure everything goes right.

I''ve browsed a number of the posts on here, but still am confused, in part due to some issues- some unusual, some not. For reference, the current price range is $3-5000, but that can go slightly higher if necessary. If anyone has suggestions of places to look (preferably in the NY area, so that it can be seen in person), that would be wonderful.

1) Looking for something in the white gold to platinum range. My current thinking is that especially in this price range and with the price of metals, the WG is a better option. Any opinions? Any particular advice/things to watch out for in terms of white gold?

2) Despite having relatively short fingers, and despite their being small towards the tips, the base of her left ring finger is a size 10, which I am given to understand is relatively unusual. Any particular advice/suggestions to accomodate that?

3) We both dislike the idea of a very thin shank. That''s not to say that the ring has to be the same size all the way around, but it shouldn''t taper all the way down.

4) I''m really looking for filigree or interesting side-stones, accents, a wave, a geometric pattern- something to make the ring stand out. One place that I''ve found online (as a result of a previous post on the forums) is Cross Jewelers, which has some lovely stuff (albeit more in yellow gold than in white) but is unfortunately located in Maine, not New York. I have to imagine, for example, that the "Royal Wave" design of theirs would be wonderful, though I don''t know how it''d look in white gold. A previous ring of theirs that I find quite lovely, which was posted in the forums, is this one.

5) While funky and interesting sidestones/designs are great, that doesn''t extend to halos. They can be gorgeous, but I think we''ll pass in this situation.

6) To reiterate, this is a sapphire ring- I know I haven''t mentioned sapphire much, but that''s largely because it seems like finding the stone and the fitting in the same place is the way to go. If, on the other hand, anyone feels differently- if anyone knows of a place that does fun settings like these but feels I should look for the sapphire on its own- please feel free to let me know and give advice.

Advice, suggestions, and examples are highly appreciated.
 
It might be a good idea to go and try on lots of rings so that you know what looks good on her finger.

You also need to work out whether the overall look of the ring is the most important or the actual sapphire.

If it was me, I''d want to buy the best sapphire I could find for my budget and then find a setting to fit it.
 
Ditto to Pandora!
 
I also think it is a great idea to go around and try on rings to see what size / style you both like. I would go with WG so you can get more ring and stone for your money. Since you need a size 10 be sure the ring has a wide band that can take being sized - they can also add gold to size a ring but it will be a custom charge. Let us know what you find.
 
Oooh, I posted that Cross ring you like. Wonderful, isn''t it? I believe any of their styles can be ordered in WG, YG or plat. My own sapphire ring is also from Cross. They are wonderful to work with, even long distance (I''m in CA) but I understand wanting to go somewhere closer to look in person. If I were in NY, I would love to visit Clay Pot jewelers, in Park Slope. They carry Van Craeynest jewelry, which has that filigree/antique look and amazing craftsmanship (do a search here on PS, there are a number of satisfied VC owners). The website is Clay Pot, and check the "Timeless" section to see a few examples.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 6:26:44 PM
Author:JLan
Apologies for sapphire e-ring request #4972 on these boards, but....

My girlfriend and I are planning on getting engaged in December (though we're doing wedding planning now, this is just the formal engagement). I know that it's early to be looking for an e-ring, but for various reasons, it's easier to look for an e-ring now than it would be later on. And of course, there's plenty of time to make sure everything goes right.

I've browsed a number of the posts on here, but still am confused, in part due to some issues- some unusual, some not. For reference, the current price range is $3-5000, but that can go slightly higher if necessary. If anyone has suggestions of places to look (preferably in the NY area, so that it can be seen in person), that would be wonderful.

1) Looking for something in the white gold to platinum range. My current thinking is that especially in this price range and with the price of metals, the WG is a better option. Any opinions? Any particular advice/things to watch out for in terms of white gold?

2) Despite having relatively short fingers, and despite their being small towards the tips, the base of her left ring finger is a size 10, which I am given to understand is relatively unusual. Any particular advice/suggestions to accomodate that?

3) We both dislike the idea of a very thin shank. That's not to say that the ring has to be the same size all the way around, but it shouldn't taper all the way down.

4) I'm really looking for filigree or interesting side-stones, accents, a wave, a geometric pattern- something to make the ring stand out. One place that I've found online (as a result of a previous post on the forums) is Cross Jewelers, which has some lovely stuff (albeit more in yellow gold than in white) but is unfortunately located in Maine, not New York. I have to imagine, for example, that the 'Royal Wave' design of theirs would be wonderful, though I don't know how it'd look in white gold. A previous ring of theirs that I find quite lovely, which was posted in the forums, is this one.

5) While funky and interesting sidestones/designs are great, that doesn't extend to halos. They can be gorgeous, but I think we'll pass in this situation.

6) To reiterate, this is a sapphire ring- I know I haven't mentioned sapphire much, but that's largely because it seems like finding the stone and the fitting in the same place is the way to go. If, on the other hand, anyone feels differently- if anyone knows of a place that does fun settings like these but feels I should look for the sapphire on its own- please feel free to let me know and give advice.

Advice, suggestions, and examples are highly appreciated.
Hello JLan and welcome to Pricescope.

Have you considered buying a stone and having it set for you? For example, Jeff White is sourcing a stone for me. Approx 2.5 carats. And then once I approve it, I am sending it to Whiteflash to have them make the setting. I found a couple of rings that I liked, and had Whiteflash quote me to make the setting.

The finished ring will be a combination of the photo below. Keep in mind that this will be a rather large sapphire (7mm x 9mm) and the diamonds are a bit larger than most halos. It will be done in white gold, not platinum.

I'm sure if you find a few rings online that you really like, you could very easily source a stone and then have a setting made for it.

I have found this to be a really good way to get a beautiful ring. I am thrilled to be a part of selecting the stone and watching it (via e-mail!) get cut. Then Jeff White will ship it to Whiteflash, who will make up CAD drawings based on the photos I"m sending them.
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I definitely have your GF try on different styles. I know that you mentioned that thin bands were out but honestly, thin bands look pretty good on shorter, larger fingers. I have short fingers and wear an 8.5 and have noticed that larger rings look to bulky on my finger. I tried on a couple of thicker settings and found that I would need to go up a whole size to fit the wider band.

something like this would be fabulous

www.greenlakejewelry.com/n_gallery2.asp

or even this with a sapphire as a center stone

www.greenlakejewelry.com/n_gallery2.asp

good luck and keep us posted
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sorry the link did not work but here is the 1st one

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and here is the 2nd one

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Congratulations on your engagement! I''m with Pandora too. Spend a fun day trying on rings in the Diamond District and see what your lucky lady likes (I''d be leery of actually buying anything there, though). Keep us posted and we''d be delighted to help you find or assemble something.
 
Very very deep cut. Nice color (but I like all things blue, so that doesn't say much) but a deep fat cut with a window. You can find better.

The color probably comes from the depth of the cut instead of the color of the rough itself.

A stone that's that large (3cts) should face up bigger than 7.51 x 7.53.
 
Date: 5/27/2008 10:44:50 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Very very deep cut. Nice color (but I like all things blue, so that doesn''t say much) but a deep fat cut with a window. You can find better.

The color probably comes from the depth of the cut instead of the color of the rough itself.

A stone that''s that large (3cts) should face up bigger than 7.51 x 7.53.
DITTO. The colour is amazing but it''s pretty pricy and rather deep.
 
Date: 5/27/2008 10:36:19 PM
Author: topcatskin
http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Blue/Round/stoneid=B2470

Pandora,
I would appreciate your opinion...it seems expensive...i don't know if most people negotiate...they did not seem keen on it.

thks..
Brian
I'm not Pandora, but I hope you won't mind my chiming in.
It's not clear that the stone is windowed, but it is deeply cut. Also, it the culet appears to be off-centre. Question: Is the premium for an unheated stone worth it to you?
 
Date: 5/27/2008 11:07:44 PM
Author: Harriet
Date: 5/27/2008 10:36:19 PM

Author: topcatskin

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Blue/Round/stoneid=B2470


Pandora,

I would appreciate your opinion...it seems expensive...i don't know if most people negotiate...they did not seem keen on it.


thks..

Brian
I'm not Pandora, but I hope you won't mind my chiming in.

It's not clear that the stone is windowed, but it is deeply cut. Also, it the culet appears to be off-centre. Question: Is the premium for an unheated stone worth it to you?

I ditto Harriet. You can do better I think...
 
Date: 5/27/2008 10:36:19 PM
Author: topcatskin
http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Blue/Round/stoneid=B2470

Pandora,
I would appreciate your opinion...it seems expensive...i don''t know if most people negotiate...they did not seem keen on it.

thks..
Brian
Colour is gorgeous, but a lot of that will be due to the stone being so deep - it would probably be a lot paler if the stone was cut shallower, so I wouldn''t advise buying it and having it recut..

The cut does maximise the stone''s beauty colourwise, but it is also facing up small for a 3ct. Native cut stones can be fabulous and I rather like them - the slightly off centre culet wouldn''t be a factor that would make me reject this stone for example - but they are more often than not cut to maximise weight rather than to bring out the best in the stone (although here I think it was a combination of both as that shade of blue carries a definite premium).

The price will be due to the size and the stone having top colour. Sapphire prices can''t be worked out in the same way as diamonds - there are far too many variables. If it was that colour and cut to perfect dimensions as well it would probably be even more expensive.

My advice would be to keep looking. Do you specifically want a round?

How important is untreated to you? Heated stones will give you more choice and be cheaper.

Personally I''m fine with mild heating in sapphires, oiling in emeralds and not much else. I wouldn''t want heated for a collection stone, but I''d buy one if it was to wear.
 
Just a quick update on the original topic (selkie, this is all your fault)-

I''ve been continuously drooling over that particular Cross ring that Selkie posted, which I find absolutely lovely (and which, I have to admit, I like more than any of the things from the Clay Pot, even though they''ve got some nice stuff). So I called them and they''re going to find out for me, hopefully by tomorrow, information about building the ring in a size 10. Selkie''s right, incidentally, about them being willing to work with you; they were very open and honest and I''d recommend them even if I don''t end up buying a ring from them in the end.
 
Heh, just call me an enabler! Well, please keep us updated on what you decide. I think it would be great if that ring works out for you. My own finger is size 9, and I think that width and style of ring would look good on larger fingers. Did you ask about white gold or platinum? I''ve also seen something VERY similar elsewhere, I''ll try to remember where.
 
JLan:

May I suggest you contact Jeff White?

He has an incredible 2.04 ct 7.6mm dia round UNHEATED stone that is to DIE FOR.

The price is well worth the inquiry.

Tell him I sent you. I'm in his queue for an oval and he just sent me the pics/specs to see if I'd be interested. Doesn't work for me but you may like it.

Selkie: does this make me an enabler too???
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Selkie-

I did ask about white gold vs platinum, and they''re going to look at both for price points. They also would do it in palladium. They''re going to give me updated (approximate) prices.

LostSapphire-

I''m assuming that''s the one you had the post up for? (the one on The Rough Is Shipping)? It looks gorgeous, but I tend to agree that it was a bit light for my tastes, as well as yours. Could definitely be gorgeous in the right setting, though.
 
JLan:

No, it''s a new ROUND.

He just sent me a pic today to show me a the colour: he and I were trying to figure out how saturated a blue I wanted.

And yes, you remember correctly: the oval was too light, so he''s still looking for me.
 
Date: 5/29/2008 8:51:54 PM
Author: LostSapphire
JLan:


May I suggest you contact Jeff White?


He has an incredible 2.04 ct 7.6mm dia round UNHEATED stone that is to DIE FOR.


The price is well worth the inquiry.


Tell him I sent you. I'm in his queue for an oval and he just sent me the pics/specs to see if I'd be interested. Doesn't work for me but you may like it.


Selkie: does this make me an enabler too???
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Uh, yeah! Wear the title with pride!
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Date: 5/29/2008 9:49:09 PM
Author: Selkie

Date: 5/29/2008 8:51:54 PM
Author: LostSapphire
JLan:


May I suggest you contact Jeff White?


He has an incredible 2.04 ct 7.6mm dia round UNHEATED stone that is to DIE FOR.


The price is well worth the inquiry.


Tell him I sent you. I'm in his queue for an oval and he just sent me the pics/specs to see if I'd be interested. Doesn't work for me but you may like it.


Selkie: does this make me an enabler too???
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Uh, yeah! Wear the title with pride!
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I THINK THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS OUT THERE ON THIS FORUM, SURELY NOT JUST THE 2 OF US?
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Hi JLan...

I love the stuff from Cross jewelers...I actually have the Lady Captain with a cushion Sapphire in Platinum...I have it in a size 10 since I wear it on the middle finger of my right hand...I was able to go there and they had to size it up 3 sizes for me and they did a great job...you cant tell it had been sized

The Lady Captain does not have side stones...but the I believe the Lady Admiral does...as do some of the others you posted...

I will see if I can post a pic of my ring on my hand so you can see the size

Also I believe the Cross will let you use an outside stone...if there settin are what you are looking for...also Portland is not that far form New York
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Best of Luck
 
diane5006- "...also Portland is not that far form New York "

Oh, that I''m aware of. But even though it''s not far, it''s a pain to get to- driving takes quite a while (especially considering that, living in the city, I don''t own a car), as does greyhound. Amtrak saves no time. I suppose, hypothetically, that I could fly, but it''s definitely a pain.

As for using an outside stone- I''ll definitely contact Jeff White, but a lot of it will depend on the answers I get when I talk to Cross tomorrow- with this setting in particular, there''s the additional sapphires to worry about, in terms of color. Size too, but that I''m sure they''ll tell me tomorrow.
 
Date: 5/29/2008 10:55:17 PM
Author: JLan
diane5006- ''...also Portland is not that far form New York ''

Oh, that I''m aware of. But even though it''s not far, it''s a pain to get to- driving takes quite a while (especially considering that, living in the city, I don''t own a car), as does greyhound. Amtrak saves no time. I suppose, hypothetically, that I could fly, but it''s definitely a pain.

As for using an outside stone- I''ll definitely contact Jeff White, but a lot of it will depend on the answers I get when I talk to Cross tomorrow- with this setting in particular, there''s the additional sapphires to worry about, in terms of color. Size too, but that I''m sure they''ll tell me tomorrow.
Maybe Portland, Maine

3 hours drive or so....
 
Hi JLan...well not having a car makes it more tricky... it is about a 3 - 4 hour drive...I did thnk there were buses...but maybe that is from Boston...if you like there stuff...it might still be worth the trip...Portland is a nice city

Hopefully you will find what you are looking for
 
Cross Jewelers will let you pay for a ring, send it to you, and you can send it back if you do not want to keep it. They did that for me and they were wonderful to work with. Ralph is who helped me and I recommend him highly.
 
Portland is a bit of a haul from NY, but it''s very cute and fun and relaxing; makes a great romantic getaway for a weekend!

I was there last weekend, but Cross was closed by the time I found it. I nearly took a picture just to prove I''d been there!
 
I can''t venture a guess on Portland travel, but I just wanted to say how beautiful that Cross ring is. Especially if you really can get both the center and the side stones in that vivid blue! {drools...}

diane, now I want a middle finger sapphire ring.
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