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Too good to be true!. A 2.11 ct F VVS stone for $15K?. Something just don't jive about this stone....May I have your advice?
Too good to be true!. A 2.11 ct F VVS stone for $15K?. Something just don't jive about this stone....May I have your advice?
I DF say he's full of BULL!He said the cut, symmetry and polish are excellent.
It is priced around 15K.
If OP lives in a small town, far from capital, getting a diamond graded is not as easy as us who lives in the States. First, how to get the diamond to the lab is a problem, in my home country for example, the employees of the delivery companies can’t be as trusted as us who lives in the States. Getting value-able things from one point to another is not an easy task. Second, insurance is not a thing in other countries. Especially jewelry insurance and getting a diamond insured just for grading, is definitely Not an option. Many still transport valuable goods by themselves, even it means driving for hours. So some part of the world still rely on in-person shopping, especially for diamond.
This thread is giving me life! And making me feel like a fool but that's another matter! An update of sorts: I know a diamond proportions chart is not exclusive to GIA but the specific font and formatting of the pic i was provided look just like gia. Someone above mentioned sarine? I can't find an output from sarine or any other cert (ags, egl, igi, etc) where the diagram matches the gia one exactly. So I pressed for more info. I was told there is no report but that the seller's agent went to the "<country name> insurance jewelry appraisals" place (which I can't find online...) to get the measurements because I had asked for them. I was told that it is not gia but if I want a gia diamond, the price for the same-ish stone is about double.
Again he has offered to let me see and check the stone when it arrives. There is no obligation. But I am now fully suspicious that, as all have mentioned, the colour and clarity are probably way inflated and I am honestly concerned maybe this is a lab stone?
Now with all that being said, this guy has 20+ years of selling in our small community. Word would have gotten around if he was a fraudster. And my ring is chump change to him - he sells pieces 10 and 20x the value of my stone to sheikha and sheikhas. This is the reason I am still somewhat interested despite all the red flags. I fear if I press any further he will lose his patience with me. But 15K is also a lot of money for me and I need to do due diligence. I like the idea of offering to pay for gia cert ... will try that technique and report back!
In the meantime, those who have commented the cut isn't great and the facets are splintery - can you please elaborate? I know table size preference can be subjective, but is there anything specific to the shown dimensions that make this look like a poor cut? I put the specs in the gia facetware app and it liked them
Please don't buy this, OP. There are sooooo many obvious red flags. And even IF the stone is what the vendor claims (which clearly it probably isnt) the cut isnt great. Table size larger than depth means it will have a "flat top" look, which most people dont like.
You can find something so so so much better from one of the trusted vendors here.
Shouldn't that tell you something about this stone?. B/C You ain't gonna get a true 2.11ct F VVS stone for $15K.I was told that it is not gia but if I want a gia diamond, the price for the same-ish stone is about double.
@KAA It's entirely possibly for a vendor to sell "the good stuff" to some customers, then try to take advantage of other customers if they think they can get away with it. Plus, when someone has an established following in the community, it's hard for naysayers to be heard. It happens here on PS too. One person may try to share their negative experience and a whole bunch of people will jump in and defend the vendor. So even though you haven't heard of any negative feedback about this guy, doesn't mean it hasn't happened
Thank you all again for your insightful responses. The seller insists the diagram is from a sarine output and not from an existing gia analysis. He also says I can confirm it is genuine and not lab grown by using the little black tester all stores have - is that true? I thought a lab grown stone is genuinely carbon so it tests as a diamond but has basically zero resale value.
Thank you all again for your insightful responses. The seller insists the diagram is from a sarine output and not from an existing gia analysis. He also says I can confirm it is genuine and not lab grown by using the little black tester all stores have - is that true? I thought a lab grown stone is genuinely carbon so it tests as a diamond but has basically zero resale value.
Thank you all again for your insightful responses. The seller insists the diagram is from a sarine output and not from an existing gia analysis. He also says I can confirm it is genuine and not lab grown by using the little black tester all stores have - is that true? I thought a lab grown stone is genuinely carbon so it tests as a diamond but has basically zero resale value.
@KAA It is very concerning to me that this "highly respected" jeweler doesn't know that hand held testers cannot tell the difference between lab and mined. Heck, they can't tell the difference between diamond and moissanite most of the time! Makes me think he DOES know this but thinks you are a fool...
No, lab diamonds are chemically identical to natural diamonds. But the value is much lower.
I don't doubt that the stone is diamond. I doubt that its the color and clarity the vendor claims, and the cut is bad.