minerslady
Rough_Rock
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Minerslady,Date: 2/17/2006 3:24:42 PM
Author: minerslady
Whatever ''they'' are calling it, red labradorite/ red andesine, colored Oregon sunstone, are all rare and I would hold on to it for investment purposes.
Hello Again Jessica,Date: 2/17/2006 3:17:44 PM
Author: minerslady
Dear Nick and All,
I have spent the last 4 years mining Oregon Sunstones.............. beleive that Tibetan Sunstone, which use to be from the Congo, is a very small supply of faceted Oregon Sunstones from Plush, Tibet and/or Ponderosa, Mongolia.
So one question??????? Has anyone ever seen a piece of the rough Tibetan sunstone? I would like to purchase a piece.
Jessica
Date: 1/14/2006 8:10:45 PM
Author: jszweda
I have heard that the collectors in Japan have been buying those things up left and right. Supposedly though they call it ''House of Rising Sun'' there instead of mandarin garnet. I have also heard that typically, you will only find that stuff on a retail level in the NYC and surrounding area, and in Japan.
Date: 1/15/2006 8:59:23 PM
Author: Richard M.
To sum up, there’s no formal method of giving gems non-mineral names. Anyone who wants to can ‘trade-name’ a gem they’re selling. Because garnets are a very complicated group of minerals and occur in a huge color range, they’re particularly susceptible to that kind of marketing-by-color-association.
Richard M.
Wink,Date: 2/18/2006 2:02:28 PM
Author: Wink
Jszweda,
I enjoyed reading your post and listening to all of the arguments about what is and what is not Mandarin garnet. It reminds me of the tempest when Zambian Emeralds were first found that were colored with vanadium (I believe, I am not positive and do not have time to go look it up) rather than Chromium. The Columbian vendors all wanted to prohibit this being called Emerald since it was not colored by Chromium, and obviously only green beryl that are colored by Chromium are worthy of being called Emerald. The public and the trade insisted on calling these beautiful gems, many of them brighter and cleaner than much of the Columbian material, Emerald and Emeralds they are.
This developing and defending of trade names is both good and bad. Good because it gives the public a name to lust after and bad because so much (expletive deleted) goes in to both defending and defaming the names.
I saw ordinary green tourmalines offered for outrageous prices under the name Neon (Paraiba) tourmalines. I also saw electric greens and blues that were worth every penny charged for them, even if I did pass up a two carat blue at $600 per carat as a stupid price for a tourmaline the year they debuted. I bought a vastly inferior stone for $1,100 the next year and sold it back to the dealer for $3,500 two years later who sold it to a Japanese investor for $5,000 ten minutes later. (totally off topic, but a fun story of stupid things I did, especially the passing up of the $600 per carat stone year one.)
Why did I sell it back to the dealer you ask? Because I had no buyers or even lookers for it in Boise and this was before I was an internet vendor...
In the years to come I saw fewer and poorer quality stones selling for as much as $10,000 per carat and gems selling for much more. Why? I believe it to have been name frenzy for the poorer stones as the beauty was certainly not there, and true value for the gems due to their rarity and extreme beauty.
I don''t believe that most gemologists care a hill of beans where a stone comes from with the exception of a few with vested interests. If a stone is a certain chemical composition and has a certain color it may not even be possible to say where it came from, let alone asign it greater value because it came from there. Certainly MANY Burmese Rubies are inferior to fine rubies from other locations, yet some in the market would grant them a premium because they come from Burma. Others will pooh pooh and value them like any other ruby. Who is correct?
Perhaps for a top quality stone with proven provenance a premium is warrented, but for most stones I am one GG who says let the stone, and its beauty, speak louder than its homeland.
Wink
Date: 2/23/2006 2:51:54 PM
Author: kashmirblue
We just returned from the Tucson gem show and would like to make a few comments.
No dealers were giving anything away.
Our experience in buying was confirmed by other dealers. Top ''gem'' quality goods have been increasingly difficult to purchase. The world''s market has been dry of ''Gem'' quality Kashmir sapphire, Burma ruby, Colombian emerald or the like. I''ve been contacted by many more investors (less-seasoned collectors) seeking to invest in hard assets these past years ,so I suppose the increase in demand and decrease of supply will only increase prices further? The auction houses are a fair indicator.
Yes, a few people are living in Kashmir and overseeing a small scale mining operation however, the finer goods are found searching old estates and stashes of rough. We are curious as to what ''new Kashmir'' is because I''ve never seen anything called ''new Burma'' or ''new Colombian''. In our experience, every mine in the world has produced a range in quality from poor to ''Gem''
We continue to do business with Jewelry TV and they may sell pieces very inexpensive. On occasion they will call us to negotiate pieces further. On the other hand, I''ve listened to the networks several times and think they embellish the stories or perhaps are misinformed on different species.
We wish you all the best searching those rare stones,
Ed Cleveland
http://www.kashmirblue.com
Linda, Lynn, and others..Date: 3/6/2006 12:27:32 PM
Author: jjlkk
Linda-
I also just received 2 labradorites from JTV. (Although they are now claiming they are andesine- labradorite). I bought smaller stones first, just to check them out, but the last 2 were both 2 carat pears, stop light red and flashy. I just found this forum, and although I''ve taken the GIA diamond course, I am new to colored gems. I am very gullable and have been listening to Cheryl on JTV to help make my decisions. I realize they greatly overstate the value, but does everyone think these stones are good investments?
Thanks,
Lynn
Hi Lynn.Date: 3/6/2006 4:39:21 PM
Author: jjlkk
Joe-
Thank you for the info. I didn''t really make myself clear on the investment wording. I am trying to buy stones for my daughters, which I feel may be too costly or non existant in 10 years or so. I will try to get them spessertites next.
Thank you
Lynn
Hi Annette.Date: 3/6/2006 4:45:06 PM
Author: smitcompton
Thank You Joe,
Your explanation to my questions is appreciated. I will not question my good fortune of having several manderin garnets over 2 carats anymore. I will hold onto my andesine. If you don''t mind awfully, what do you think about the kunzite stones? When will they be 1800 per carat? I''m partly kidding. How about Mexican fire opal? I''m very susceptible to the mine shut down scares. If anyone cares to respond, please do. Thanks to all of you,
Annette
Maurice,Date: 3/6/2006 5:50:57 PM
Author: MJO
Hello Joe and all,
AJSgems.com has alot of mandarin orange spessartite for way under $2,000/ct. Even the 25ct on Cherrypicked.com is under $2,000/ct
Regards,
Maurice
Linda,Date: 3/6/2006 6:57:53 PM
Author: Linda W
Hi Joe,
As usual, you are a wealth of information and I can''t thank you enough.
The two stones I purchased from JTV are very beautiful. I rarely purchase from them, but when I saw these, my eyes popped.
On Friday, I purchases a beautiful Andesine ring from GemShopping network, my favorite television program LOL. Can''t wait to receive it. It is bezel set and heart shaped. Now I WILL wear that one.
I think I will purchase a few more Mandarin Garnets when they come on next, to add them to my collection.
One more question that is off topic PLEASE??? HOW DO WE PM SOMEONE????????
Thank you again Joe, for all of your wisdom.
Linda W