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The new Twitter, under Musk

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I'm extremely interested, curious, and frankly anxious about the long term effects of this.
I'm also concerned about one single person having this much power.

A huge social media platform with unfettered free speech sounds great in principle, but let's not be naive.
Around the world we have already witnessed the harm from hate speech and "fake news" from social media.
IMO everyone being a news source is very problematic.

IMO this has MASSIVE potential to dramatically change the entire world , so I'll paste the NYT article here, giving credit to the source.

Penny for your thoughts.


Elon Musk Completes $44 Billion Deal to Own Twitter​

The world’s richest man closed his blockbuster purchase of the social media service, thrusting Twitter into a new era.

By Kate Conger and Lauren Hirsch
Kate Conger reports on technology from San Francisco and Lauren Hirsch reports on mergers and acquisitions from New York.
Oct. 27, 2022

After months of waffling, lawsuits, verbal mudslinging and the near miss of a full blown trial, Elon Musk now owns Twitter.
On Thursday night, Mr. Musk closed his $44 billion deal to buy the social media service, said three people with knowledge of the situation. He also began cleaning house, with at least four top Twitter executives — including the chief executive and chief financial officer — getting fired on Thursday. Mr. Musk had arrived at Twitter’s San Francisco headquarters on Wednesday and met with engineers and ad executives.

The closing of the deal, which followed months of drama and legal challenges as Mr. Musk changed his mind about buying the company, sets Twitter on an uncertain course. Mr. Musk, a self-described “free speech absolutist,” has said that he wants to make the social media platform a more freewheeling place for all types of commentary and that he would “reverse the permanent ban” of former President Donald J. Trump from the service.
Mr. Musk’s open approach to speech on Twitter could exacerbate long simmering issues of toxic content and misinformation, affecting political debates around the world. Early tests will come within days, when Brazil elects its president and American voters go to the polls on Nov. 8 for the midterm elections. Twitter said it would prohibit misleading claims about voting and the outcome of elections, but that was before Mr. Musk owned it.

“There could be real-world consequences to his leadership,” David Kaye, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, who worked with the United Nations on issues of free speech, said of Mr. Musk’s ownership of Twitter. “To the extent that world leaders see they have this space and it’s unmoderated, they could push to see how far they can go.”

The acquisition has been celebrated by some Republicans, who have argued that Twitter censored conservative viewpoints. Researchers have said Twitter’s rules have been essential to countering online hate speech and disinformation. Some advertisers have worried about allowing their brands to appear alongside controversial tweets.

“It’s a ‘back-to-the-future’ reversion to content rules circa 2010, but one that ignores the lived experience over the last decade,” said Colin Crowell, Twitter’s former head of global public policy, who left the company in 2019. “People eventually realize that the Wild West needs a sheriff, both for ensuring the safety of citizens but also for enhancing the prospects for commerce.”

Mr. Musk has also promised other sweeping changes at Twitter, including new leadership, job cuts and the pursuit of new ways to make money. Twitter, which is based in San Francisco and employs more than 7,500 people, has had difficulties consistently growing its advertising-based business and attracting new users. The firings of the top company executives on Thursday were a sign that Mr. Musk intended to move swiftly.

Mr. Musk, 51, will be remaking Twitter without having to disclose how it is performing every few months. By taking the company private, he does not need to regularly answer to shareholders and can make changes to the service away from the public’s prying eyes.

Mr. Musk, who also runs the electric carmaker Tesla and the rocket company SpaceX, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Completing the deal was a victory for Twitter’s board. When Mr. Musk agreed to pay $54.20 a share for the company in April, Twitter faced criticism for accepting a price that was too low. But, as the global economy faltered in the ensuing months and Twitter’s stock fell, the deal price appeared to be a win for shareholders, and the board sought to force Mr. Musk to abide by the agreement.

A Twitter spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Twitter executives who were fired on Thursday include Parag Agrawal, the chief executive; Ned Segal, the chief financial officer; Vijaya Gadde, the top legal and policy executive; and Sean Edgett, the general counsel, said two people with knowledge of the matter. At least one of the executives who was fired was escorted out of Twitter’s office, they said.

Mr. Musk, who is one of Twitter’s most active users and has more than 109 million followers, began accumulating shares in the company this year. In April, he struck the deal to buy the company for $44 billion and said he would lift Twitter’s content moderation policies, eliminate spam, add new features and provide more transparency about the algorithms used to promote content.

“Twitter has tremendous potential — I look forward to working with the company and the community of users to unlock it,” he said in a statement in April.

But, within weeks, he began questioning the deal. Mr. Musk lashed out at the Twitter executives responsible for content decisions and accused the company of failing to accurately count the spam accounts on its platform. When Parag Agrawal, Twitter’s chief executive, tried debunking Mr. Musk’s claims, Mr. Musk responded by tweeting a poop emoji.

By July, Mr. Musk had decided that he no longer wanted to own Twitter, arguing that he had been misled about the amount of spam on the platform. He announced his intent to abandon the acquisition.

Twitter sued Mr. Musk to force him to carry out the agreement. The company accused Mr. Musk of trying to back out of the deal because the economic downturn had caused a decline in his personal wealth. Mr. Musk had agreed to personally provide roughly $33 billion of the $44 billion deal.

The lawsuit ended up in Delaware Chancery Court, which hears many corporate cases. The court set a five-day trial in mid-October to hear the case.

But facing days of depositions and an uncertain outcome, Mr. Musk reconsidered. He tried negotiating a discount on the deal price. Those discussions were unsuccessful. This month, Mr. Musk said he would proceed with the acquisition at the original price if Twitter halted its legal battle against him.

The judge overseeing Twitter’s lawsuit agreed to put the case on hold until Oct. 28, giving Mr. Musk three weeks to close the deal.

Mr. Musk has set some ambitious goals for Twitter, which he has said he will transform into an “everything app” called X. In presentations to investors about the deal this spring, he said he anticipated that Twitter would reach annual revenue of $26.4 billionand have 931 million users by 2028. The company reported $5.08 billion in revenue last year and had more than 200 million users.

Mr. Musk has suggested that cuts could be necessary to limit Twitter’s costs. Many of the company’s employees could face layoffs. In recent days, Twitter has tried soothing its work force, asking them to ignore reports of potential layoffs.

Twitter’s performance will be vital as Mr. Musk balances investing in the company’s future and paying off interest on the $12.5 billion in loans he took out to finance the deal. Analysts have questioned whether Twitter can bear the burden of those payments given its patchy profits.

Those loans will also stand as a pain point for the investment banks that cobbled them together, as the market for such loans has dropped precipitously since Mr. Musk announced his bid in April.

Advertisers may also be wary of doing business with Mr. Musk after he denounced the use of advertising on Twitter and said the company should find a different source of revenue. Some advertisers have also been skeptical about their brands appearing alongside risky content that Mr. Musk has said should be allowed on Twitter, while others have preferred to spend money with social networks like Facebook and TikTok.

On Thursday, Mr. Musk sought to quell advertiser concerns with an open letter suggesting some content moderation would continue.

“Twitter obviously cannot become a free-for-all hellscape, where anything can be said with no consequences,” he wrote. “Twitter aspires to be the most respected advertising platform in the world.”
 
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Quote from article, "On Thursday, Mr. Musk sought to quell advertiser concerns with an open letter suggesting some content moderation would continue."

WTF?
This has to be the quintessential 'Follow the Money' SNAFU! :(sad

Advertiser's concerns?

What about my concerns, and those of every human trapped on this planet?
We don't matter?
Only ad money matters? :doh::doh::doh:

We're talking about the future of civilization here, folks.
WTF!?! :nono:
 
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There's a very good chance it'll become a cesspool. Every kind of hate, conspiracy and lie will flourish. Q writ large. A despot's playground. A supremacist's dream. Get ready for weaponized disinformation. Twitter-X will become a weapon.

* Oh, and thirty voter suppression bills have been introduced in the last two years to essentially allow legislators to decide who can vote, and who can not.
 
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Same old saying - money talks, and BS walks! I had hoped when he wanted out of the deal that it would happen but no, again money trumped all. We can probably hope for the best and expect the worst. Sad.
 
Twitter: I still don't need it. I still don't use it. In fact, I continue to pay no attention whatsoever to it. Its name and logo completely turned me off from the start. ymmv
 
Twitter: I still don't need it. I still don't use it. In fact, I continue to pay no attention whatsoever to it. Its name and logo completely turned me off from the start. ymmv

Unfortunately, I think you are not in the majority.
 
Twitter: I still don't need it. I still don't use it. In fact, I continue to pay no attention whatsoever to it. Its name and logo completely turned me off from the start. ymmv

+1
 
Twitter: I still don't need it. I still don't use it. In fact, I continue to pay no attention whatsoever to it. Its name and logo completely turned me off from the start. ymmv

I am not a big twitter user, but.. what did their little bird logo do to turn you off?

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I’m expecting the worse.

Words matter and they have consequences. I find it sad that there are so many people who don’t realize this.


After hearing the news about Paul Pelosi this morning, I’m more concerned about Musk being in charge of twitter.
 
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I'm glad some here don't use Twitter. :clap:

I certainly never have, and never will use it, or any other social media.

But the point of this thread and news story is (IMO) the world is about to change for the worse ... and bigly.

I don't know what any of us here can do about it, except for buying Twit from Musk for $60 B and using it as a force for good.
 
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I’m expecting the worse.

Words matter and they have consequences. I find it sad that there are so many people who don’t realize this.


After hearing the news about Paul Pelosi this morning, I’m more concerned about Musk being in charge of twitter.

Me too. I imagine he's going to let all of those that were kicked off for violent posts, racist posts, misinformation, etc back on
 
Me too. I imagine he's going to let all of those that were kicked off for violent posts, racist posts, misinformation, etc back on

If it gets really bad could Musk be sued for knowingly facilitating murders insurrections etc.?
Or is facilitating free speech always legal?

If so, maybe we need a constitutional amendment to restrict free speech that leads to, oh, 17.38 deaths or, oh, the disintegration of a nation.
 
I had a Twitter account since 2009 and killed it before the Musk acquisition. I just didn’t trust him with my data. Even as a non-user, I’m still concerned about Twitter, it plays a huge role.
 
If it gets really bad could Musk be sued for knowingly facilitating murders insurrections etc.?
Or is facilitating free speech always legal?

If so, maybe we need a constitutional amendment to restrict free speech that leads to, oh, 17.38 deaths or, oh, the disintegration of a nation.

I think it would be very difficult to legally tie Musk to murders and insurrections unless he was calling for it himself.
 
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Quote from article, "On Thursday, Mr. Musk sought to quell advertiser concerns with an open letter suggesting some content moderation would continue."

WTF?
This has to be the quintessential 'Follow the Money' SNAFU! :(sad

Advertiser's concerns?

What about my concerns, and those of every human trapped on this planet?
We don't matter?
Only ad money matters? :doh::doh::doh:

We're talking about the future of civilization here, folks.
WTF!?! :nono:

Have you seen Tik Tok? The future of civilization went down the drain a long time ago...:lol::lol::lol:
 
I had a Twitter account since 2009 and killed it before the Musk acquisition. I just didn’t trust him with my data. Even as a non-user, I’m still concerned about Twitter, it plays a huge role.

Yeah, I just went and deactivated my accounted. I only tweeted once, years ago.
 
I don't use Twitter, and only very rarely, check on my nieces on Facebook. Have never used Tik Tok, and confess that I do use Instagram to gaze endlessly at sparklies. :???::lol:

Social media, left to run amok, can be a negative influence on all who use it. Even those with the best intentions can allow themselves to be dragged down into the quagmire...
 
If it gets really bad could Musk be sued for knowingly facilitating murders insurrections etc.?
Or is facilitating free speech always legal?

I don't know the answer to that, but incitement isn't protected. So I would assume if somehow it was considered that facilitating equaled incitement maybe it would be an issue. I guess it's possible that not restricting it when you know it will incite could be an issue? It will be interesting to see as I'm guessing there will be some court cases testing this if what some people think may happen with a more unbridled Twitter, actually does.
 
And here I thought I was the only one without a twitter account.
I'm in that club, never have and likely never will.
I don't care who owns twitter or what is posted on twitter.
 
I'm extremely interested, curious, and frankly anxious about the long term effects of this.
I'm also concerned about one single person having this much power.

I think it could be great. It would help drive down Twitter's relevance if it's just 4chan for Grandpa Simpson. The kids already hate Twitter -- because it's for old people. Social media usage is so fickle. The tech world is like China's economy -- one tiny blip in the exponential growth ("It's growing but [gasp] at a slower rate!!") and investors run away in panic.

And Elon is alienating the only people who actually buy Teslas and Powerwalls, etc. There is such a profusion of EVs that pricing Tesla as if its sales matched Toyota's never made sense. There are better and better-looking EVs out there. We bought an EV and deliberately avoided Tesla because we did not like the "wealth-signaling" element. But now there are so, so many better reasons to ditch Tesla. Elon is already moderating some of his more untethered public statements. With Ye hopefully on the way out, that would be one down, two to go...
 
If it gets really bad could Musk be sued for knowingly facilitating murders insurrections etc.?
Or is facilitating free speech always legal?

If so, maybe we need a constitutional amendment to restrict free speech that leads to, oh, 17.38 deaths or, oh, the disintegration of a nation.

We are getting a bit ahead of outselves aren't we? He didn't do anything, he just bought it...let that sink in for a bit.
 
I had a Twitter account since 2009 and killed it before the Musk acquisition. I just didn’t trust him with my data. Even as a non-user, I’m still concerned about Twitter, it plays a huge role.

Uhm ... Musk just "bought your data".
These SM business are creepy and evil. :knockout:

Ironically, when Google started IIRC their corporate mantra was, "Don't be evil." :doh:
 
We are getting a bit ahead of outselves aren't we? He didn't do anything, he just bought it...let that sink in for a bit.

It is what he has previously said he would do that is the concern. He's backtracking a "bit" on that, so we will see. But to announce previously that he wouldn't restrict any speech at all, no matter what, is certainly a concern in the current environment.
 
It is what he has previously said he would do that is the concern. He's backtracking a "bit" on that, so we will see. But to announce previously that he wouldn't restrict any speech at all, no matter what, is certainly a concern in the current environment.
I think he will do just fine, he seems like a reasonable human being.
 
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