The Official TTC Thread!

[lovelylulu]

thanks for the support and feedback ladies!

DD - i took your advice and just posted my chart on that other forum. perhaps they will echo what you and kate and others said - though, what day would you gander that ole egg dropped on?

amber - i relate to your experience of coming back to and then leaving this thread. while i do find it to be a wealth of information, love the group, etc. sometimes i tire of writing out my own very repetitive experience.

blushing - glad to hear that you have a dr''s appointment coming up shortly and maybe there are some answers to be found!

festy - thanks for relying your dr''s assurances that he/she feels that there is nothing to worry about at this point. 6 months of well-timed BD feels like an eternity and just leaves a big hanging question mark. . .

 

[Festy]

Date: 12/2/2008 2:21:23 PM
Author: blushingbride
Can they test you if I''m just getting a physical done or is this something I would need to alert them about before showing up?

They can do a simple blood test, but you need to ask for it. They start by testing your TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone). I was tested b/c my mom had thyroid issues. Turns out I was hypo- and had zero symptoms. Like Sabine said, it is super easy for them to regulate with synthetic thyroid.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Lulu CD12.

 

[InLuv101]

Thanks everyone for joining in my pity party with me

I so appreciate it!

I do feel better already and know that it has ONLY been 3 months. That seems hard to remember when you in the middle of a cycle and hoping so hard. Also when talking to my sister (who has no kids either) about all this earlier, she says - well you just need to not worry about it and it will happen. Maybe you should stop charting and stressing. - I know she is trying to help, but I just don''t think people who aren''t/haven''t TTC get it. I don''t know how to not be hopeful each month and not think about getting preggo. Stop charting?! Before charting I thought I was ovualting a whole 3 days earlier than I am! If we were TTC then we would be ending the marathon too early each month. Oh well, I know she meant well, but she just can''t understand.

Chin up, right? On to next month...
13DPO

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LuLu- Your chart does look biphasic to me too! Hope the folks at Ovusoft can help.

Blushing -- I hope you get some answers at your Dr. appts.

Festy -- Thanks for sharing what your doc told you. It really helped me. I have to remind myself that we are 26 and 30, healthy (as far as we know), and that this WILL HAPPEN! It just will.

 

[lovelylulu]

btw dreamer i think your belly is pretty cute

 

[blushingbride]

Date: 12/2/2008 3:07:24 PM
Author: lovelylulu
btw dreamer i think your belly is pretty cute

Ditto! I''ve got belly envy!

 

[blushingbride]

Date: 12/2/2008 2:47:06 PM
Author: Sabine

Date: 12/2/2008 2:21:23 PM
Author: blushingbride
Can they test you if I''m just getting a physical done or is this something I would need to alert them about before showing up?

I''m guessing they can order the test at any point, but I don''t know about actually getting it done that day. My doctor doesn''t do blood testing on site, so he wrote me a scrip that I took to the lab at the local hospital to have the blood drawn. You might want to call and let them know before your physical that you have concerns about your thyroid so they know to expect it.

Thanks Sabine - I just called and they said I can ask for a test at my appt. I get blood drawn when I go to my GP.

 

[blushingbride]

Do you ladies know why hyper or hypo thyroidism affects TTC and pregnancy? Do temps have to be a certain number in order to acheive pregnancy? Just wondering how this all works...

 

[PrettyBlues]

Hi Blushing

I''m normally a lurker on this board, just wanted to step in to talk to you about Hypothyroidism. I have it, along with Hashimoto''s (where your body actually attacks your Thyroid) so thought I might be able to shed some light.

The symptoms I had were many, but like most things, it is different for everyone. I had weight gain, irritability, depression, brain fog, low heart rate, sensitivity to cold, and very low energy. With regards to temping/charting, which I am also doing I had low temps, a short luteal phase (between 6-9 days), and spotting during the luteal phase.

However, when I went to my G.P. 10 months ago she tested only TSH, and because that was in the "disputed" normal range, said "as long as you feel fine, there is nothing to worry about!" See symptoms above

So I did my own research, and found a doctor here is specializes in Thyroid disorders and saw her. She did further testing, which I recommend if you think you may have an issue. So you can get free T3 and T4, as well as your antibodies tested. Low and behold, I did have Hypo, and she discovered Hashimoto''s which I would not have thought about!

The reason it can effect infertility is because it can cause anovolution and irregular cycles. It can also cause havoc with your luteal phase which as you know is an important part of the process as well.

This is not to make you (or anyone else on here) panic, it''s just that it took me a long time to get diagnosed, and I would hate for you to go through the same thing while TTC. Of course, if you don''t have any of the symptoms besides low temps then it might be nothing which is great news!

Here is a website if you want to do any of your own reading: http://www.thyroid-info.com/

Please ask if you have any other questions, I''m happy to help.

 

[Festy]

Hi PrettyBlue - thanks for such a great explanation. I also was diagnosed with Hashimoto''s disease (an autoimmune disorder that makes your body attack your thyroid), but unlike you, I was completely asymptomatic. I never knew that an underactive thyroid can cause spotting during the luteal phase. When I was in my teens and twenties I used to get what I called a super early period, which I think essentially was break-through bleeding. I wonder if that''s why! When I started taking synthetic thyroid, I was on BCP but would still get early spotting every other cycle or so. Since being off BCP I''ve been regular like clock work! I can''t help but wonder if it was just a matter of getting my thyroid where it''s supposed to be.

Also, FWIW, my doctor told me that with pregnant women they sometimes like to err on the hyper side when regulating the thyroid - it''s apparently better for the baby.

 

[blushingbride]

Very interesting PrettyBlues - for me, it''s just the low temps. I have never had spotting before my period and since I''ve been charting/temping (9 cycles), I have yet to have an anovulatory or irregular cycle (I did have one cycle which was 5 days longer than normal, but it was nothing drastic). I did also have a short luteal phase when I first starting charting - it was 9 days. But, for the past 4 cycles, it''s been 11 days. Well, it doesn''t hurt to get checked out. I appreciate everyone chiming in on this subject!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 12/2/2008 3:09:40 PM
Author: blushingbride

Date: 12/2/2008 3:07:24 PM
Author: lovelylulu
btw dreamer i think your belly is pretty cute

Ditto! I''ve got belly envy!

Haha... thanks guys

. Enjoy your lovely waists and perky (*)(*) while you can! I mean it!

 

[InLuv101]

Date: 12/2/2008 4:19:12 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 12/2/2008 3:09:40 PM
Author: blushingbride

Date: 12/2/2008 3:07:24 PM
Author: lovelylulu
btw dreamer i think your belly is pretty cute

Ditto! I''ve got belly envy!

Haha... thanks guys

. Enjoy your lovely waists and perky (*)(*) while you can! I mean it!

Hahaha! Funny DD. Thanks for the laugh! Seriously though those things are listed in my ''Look on the bright side column'' along with the fact that I get to have my DH all to myself for at least one more month. Not that I don''t want to share him with our baby, but we just have so much fun doing all sorts of spontaneous things and I know that changes once kids come into the picture.

13DPO and looking on the bright side...

 

[PrettyBlues]

No worries Festy, happy to help if I can!

I didn''t realise it could cause these problems with cycles and bleeding either, as it wasn''t a focus for me when I was first trying to figure everything out. At the time I was on BCP and figured the hormones in that couldn''t be helping so went off and noticed my cycles weren''t quite right. Not having a good doctor at the time, and being a PS''er

, I researched it and found out underactive thyroid can cause these things.

It''s quite possible that''s what was going on with you previously.

Blushing, let''s hope if you have no other symptoms that it''s nothing to worry about.

 

[fisherofmengirly]

Okay, I must confess now I have the thought of not ovulating regularly on the brain. I called the Dr. today (who I''ve not seen yet, but have chosen) and asked about that FSH test; they said I can come in for a consultation and get that testing on CD 3 if needed, but I can come in at any time (with an appt.) to get the consult and a blood work up. I think I had the blood work up, though. In late 2006. I don''t know that I need it again.

I''m confused. I''d really like to let this happen naturally. I really, really want that. But now, because of ONE cycle, I''m worried that I''m not an ovulater again. Argh. Drama. Pure drama.

Luckily, they have a lot of appts. available for consults and that can also include an ultrasound if they need to check for anything, so I have time to decide what we''ll do. We''re both off work the week before Christmas, so maybe we can go in during that week.

I don''t know. I''m very conflicted as to what to do. Paul''s not home yet, so we''ve not talked about it.

For kicks, here''s my chart (again). Anyone have any thoughts? Maybe I should go to that ovusoft place you all talk about so much lately....

 

[Dreamer_D]

Fisher I think your chart looks like a classic anovulatory chart

... this late in the cycle, I suspect it is unlikely you will ovulate, and if you do, the egg will probably not be high quality

I recall EBree talking about this with regard to really late ovulation. This is no guarantee, I read stories on FF and ovusoft about women with 120 day cycles who finally O''d and then got preggo! So there is never a hard and fast rule about what will happen. As we all know, the body is a mysterious and miraculous thing!

FWIW, in your shoes I would go get the testing. I don''t think having tests done is "unatural" or in any way means that you are doing something against nature. It is gathering knowledge. But that is the type of person I am, I can totally understand not looking into it. But I suspect your long cycle this summer was anovulatory like this one looks to be, and with 2 such known cycles out of 4 (3 of them charting), it would be worth looking into in my book. But again, I can totally see the other side too! {{{HUGS}} for even having to think about it!

This whole issue really brings to mind some of our PS friends who have talked about issues getting pg. qtkiki tried for a year and then found out she had a low-grade bladder infection and once treated, she got preggo almost immediately! Another of our friends here, Lili, tried for 3.5 years without going to a doctor and it turned out her tubes were blocked from endometriosis. A couple months after getting surgery to clear the scars she got KTFU! I guess my point is that these types of issues can lurk and there is nothing wrong with looking into things if you suspect something!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I also wanted to post some stats again for everyone about how long it takes to get KTFU, just to put it in perspective. These are from a poll on the ovusoft website. All the women were healthy, had no identified fertility or health issues, and all were charting.

1 month 23% (352)
2-3 months 23% (345)
4-6 months 18% (274)
7-10 months 13% (194)
11-12 months 4% (73)
13-18 months 6% (99)
19-24 months 3% (51)
>24 months 6% (95)

Total Votes : 1483

 

[fisherofmengirly]

So, I just talked to Paul. He doesn''t think I should do the consultation thing. At least not yet. He says this is only my third cycle charting, and the other two have been fine. And he''s right. He says if I ovulate, it''s okay not to once in a while. He thinks I''m putting stress on myself that I shouldn''t, and I just need to know that I did ovulate twice, and I will again. He thinks if I end up not ovulating this cycle (which he still thinks I have or will), and then I don''t next cycle either, to look into it then.

Again, still conflicted. I don''t care if my egg''s not healthy this cycle, I just want to know that I do what my body''s meant to do, which is to ovulate and drop a flippin egg. I remember the absolute elation I felt when I first charted and saw my crosshairs; it was like I finally had confirmation that my body works, like I was capable of reaching my forever dream of being a mother. Now I feel like I''m right back where I started, wondering.

Maybe since I did ovulate twice (that I know of for sure), it''s not a big deal that I may not this cycle. I don''t know.

I just wish with all my heart that those of us who have our hearts absolutely pounding and aching for a baby could reach that without all this heartache along the way. All the while people who could care less about their offspring can sprout them out like crazy. Fairness. Not a guarentee in life, I suppose.

For what it''s worth, while I''m still feeling pretty down right now, my hope''s not gone. I have a firm belief and just a peace that I''ll be a mom. I don''t think true peace gets shattered with just one stumbling block along the way. So, onward and upward.

I guess that one other cycle isn''t too long to wait about seeing about the testing. I just wish it wasn''t necessary, and am still praying it won''t be. Knowledge is a good thing, no doubt. But I''d rather not need that knowledge, if that makes sense. I''d rather it just be something that happens, without the need for poking and prodding and whatever else.

This discussion also led to me asking Paul to what means we''d go to have a child of our own, if it ended up that was a question we found ourselves facing. To me, there are just way too many children out there in need of love... I''d rather take that route, if needed. But oh how I ache to carry my baby, to bond with that child and feel the first movements. Yeah, that faith''s not gone. Faith isn''t with you just in the good times, but also in those where there are questions and lurking fears, too.

This thread should be renamed the trials and tribulations and jubilations of TTC. It sure is a wild ride...

 

[Sha]

Fisher,
I so know what you're going through right now. It's incredibly frustrating to be TTC, and NOT to be O'ing! It's like everything is in place, you get all the BDing in etc,..but your body won't do what it's actually supposed to do.

With this cycle I'm on (CD 42 and no O), every day that passes by without a temp rise makes me feel like my body is broken too. I was soooo excited last week when I saw some EWCM because I thought, "Yes! My body IS working correctly after all! I'm actually normal! I won't have to do any bloodwork! Everything is working as it should!" But alas.....I still haven't O'd. And not O'ing just feels like it takes your whole fertility away, because you can't pregnant without an O.

I soooo envy women with textbook cycles right now!

On FF, if you do a search for delayed/late ovulation in the chart gallery, there are many women who've O'd a lot later than you have. I've seen O's well into the 40's and 50's, and even 70's. A lot of those women have PCOS or are just off the pill, and some just have really long cycles, from what I've seen. I think there's still a chance that you may O this cycle. But I would still go in for the bloodwork on CD3 just to have more of an idea of what's going on.

Chin up, my dear.... Your desire to be a mother is so strong, it just jumps off the pages. I truly believe you will be pregnant some day. Hopefully someday soon!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I think that having anovulatory cycles every once is a while is probably more normal than any of us think. And probably women have too short LPs more than we know too (I did and so have many other women on here at some point in their charting past). Most women never chart and so would never know! I feel confident for all of you who have dealt with or are currently dealing with long cycles that this is a bump in the road, not a harbinger of doom! Some of my closest friends have had long and irregular cycles and have gotten KTFU without too much hassel. I *know* it will be the same for you guys. You just have to persevere. Fisher I think Paul''s plan is wise. I am betting this cycle ends soon for you and then the next ones are egg-mania!

 

[sunkist]

Date: 12/2/2008 12:55:12 PM
Author: Festy
Oh, Sunkist, this morning was my first try with the BD thermometer. I like everything about it, although it only goes to one decimal place and I'd gotten used to two. I feel pretty confident that it doesn't matter, but there's a part of my brain that wants that hundredth of a degree back! But I do like the functionality. It's much more idiot proof.

Thank you for the comparison, Festy! I'll keep that one in mind if this one gets to annoying for me. It went pretty smoothly again this morning. My only problem is being half asleep and not remembering if I pushed the button or heard a beep. Anyways, thanks

I'm so sorry to hear about everyone's woes about their cycles and taking so long to conceive. DD you are so awesome in sharing your knowledge and your care. Thank you for supporting the TTC gals. Wishing luck to each of you!!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

Hey Miss InLuv,

Did you pee on a stick, my friend?

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Sha,

Are you going to get any testing done? Has it happened before that you''ve gone this long without confirmed ovulation? I''m hoping that we both drop an egg and move on soon!!

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Hey everyone,

Well, today''s temp was another high, in the 98 range. Who knows. I shouldn''t have said I don''t care if my egg is healthy or not. I hope it is. It''s just funny how attached you can get to not only the idea of being a mother, conceiving, but of also being able to ovulate regularly.

In the past, I''ve had some serious doubts about my ability to conceive (purely from a *me* perspective, not from a Dr.) and when I went to the Dr. prior to marrying Paul, that''s part of why they did the thyroid testing, too (and because I''m cold all the time and have slightly yellow skin on the inside of my eye lids...also a sign of anemia). Anyway, just from that visit the Dr. didn''t think I had any reason for concern, even with my longer cycles (at the time NOT as long as they have been since coming off the pill, but 40days was not abnormal for me at that time). I have the bloodwork sheet with me, and it was explained to me in some depth, but I think I''ll pull it out and see what else I can try to figure out on it. It wasn''t a hormonal work up at all. And that could be valuable at some point.

Anyway, then when I started to chart and saw those ever lovin crosshairs, I was totally in bliss. It was like confirmation that your body works. This is why I''m sad now, but it''s only for a moment. I''m sure it''s not a big deal; if it were, then I wouldn''t be ovulating at all.

Hmph.

I really have been putting off my annual exam, hoping that it''d end up being a preggo visit. Maybe I can get all this stuff done at the same time. The new Dr. office said that once I''m established as a patient, I can come in for the CD 3 testing without having a set appt, just call the day before and let them know. They also said the consult would have to be with a Dr., not a nurse pratictioner. That was a little disappointing, since I''d rather talk to a female, but such is life.

I wonder if any of this is covered on insurance. Didn''t even ask about that. Or the cost. You can see where my mind is... babies. Not on reality in the here and now, apparently.

I''d hate to "give up" another cycle to not ovulating, when I could get the testing and see what''s wrong sooner, but then again, next cycle will be messed up by the holidays and travel most likely anyway, and if the testing did determine some issues, I''m not sure I''d want to know that the week of Christmas.

Alas, they said I can pretty much set up for an appt. of this nature any time with a day or two notice, so I''m not going to fuss over it now. In a couple weeks, we may be ready for that, or we may have ovulated.

I''m sorry I''ve been so not optimistic in the past day or so... I feel bad. Hope everyone can look past it and know that I''m still hoping good things for all of us, and like DD said, there are so many issues that can come up within any one cycle, but for the most part, women have babies all the time.

We will, too, ladies!

 

[InLuv101]

Good morning!

Fisher -- No need to POAS. Today is CD1

I think your DH idea sounds good. I totally get the wonder and feeling if something is wrong though.

Sha -- Sorry you are having issues with your cycle this month.

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CD1 here...a new month! I checked the calendar and if I O on my regular cycle day, I should be able be test on New Year''s Day! How awesome would that be? Starting the new year with a BFP. Maybe I''ll POAS at midnight...

 

[lovelylulu]

a quick post before running off to a conference call (fun, fun)

I just wanted to thank everyone again for the support and the really thoughtful, prompt responses from yesterday. it meant a lot.


also, my temp this morning was 97.8 - a 4 degree drop from yesterday - which I believe would further support this idea that i o''d (also further support the idea that i am not KTFU)

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fisher and sha - i hope this is your last super long/what is going on/did i ovulate or not experience and next time you have a textbook ovulatory cyles

inluv - december seems like a great month to get a BFP!! good luck!!

 

[Pandora II]

Fisher if you last had bloodwork done in 2006, you will definitely need a new lot.

My GP does mine every 4 months or so as a matter of course and that is on top of the ones my psychiatrist and other doctors ask for. When my liver was screwing up on me in 2003 I had them done every week and sometimes bi-weekly.

(Oh and in the UK they can be somewhat on the stingy side with tests as health care is free here. Pap tests are every 3 years for example and done by your GP not an OB)

Things can alter pretty fast with your body and a two year-old set of results is only really useful as something to compare the new ones to.

 

[so cal girl]

I know everyone is trying to be positive today, but I am having my Debbie Downer moment, and need to vent. I went to the OB/GYN yesterday for an ultrasound. I was having really bad cramps in my abdomen all over Thanksgiving weekend, to the point where I had to go to Urgent Care. They did a pelvic exam and said that based on my symptoms, I probably had an ovarian cyst and needed an ultrasound. Since their ultrasound tech was off for the weekend, I made an appointment to see my OB/GYN ASAP. Sure enough, after both an external and internal ultrasound, the Dr found a cyst on my right ovary. In addition, he said that I most likely have PCOS. I had blood taken to check my hormone levels, and then I am supposed to go back and see him once he confirms PCOS so we can discuss my options.

I have been reading up all day on PCOS, and I know that it is not the end of the world, but I am still sad. It looks like now we will have to undergo some sort of fertility treatments, since I am not ovulating. I really wanted this to just happen naturally. I feel like somewhat of a failure

.

I know there are medical ways to get pregnant with PCOS. My sister just got pregnant (with TWINS!) after her first try at IUI, and my best friend is currently on some sort of progesterone pill to help he ovulate. I was just wondering if anyone had heard of any more "natural" ways to help people ovulate?

 

[tiffanytwisted]

Date: 12/3/2008 2:07:37 PM
Author: so cal girl
I know everyone is trying to be positive today, but I am having my Debbie Downer moment, and need to vent. I went to the OB/GYN yesterday for an ultrasound. I was having really bad cramps in my abdomen all over Thanksgiving weekend, to the point where I had to go to Urgent Care. They did a pelvic exam and said that based on my symptoms, I probably had an ovarian cyst and needed an ultrasound. Since their ultrasound tech was off for the weekend, I made an appointment to see my OB/GYN ASAP. Sure enough, after both an external and internal ultrasound, the Dr found a cyst on my right ovary. In addition, he said that I most likely have PCOS. I had blood taken to check my hormone levels, and then I am supposed to go back and see him once he confirms PCOS so we can discuss my options.

I have been reading up all day on PCOS, and I know that it is not the end of the world, but I am still sad. It looks like now we will have to undergo some sort of fertility treatments, since I am not ovulating. I really wanted this to just happen naturally. I feel like somewhat of a failure

.

I know there are medical ways to get pregnant with PCOS. My sister just got pregnant (with TWINS!) after her first try at IUI, and my best friend is currently on some sort of progesterone pill to help he ovulate. I was just wondering if anyone had heard of any more ''natural'' ways to help people ovulate?

So cal girl- I''m sorry you''ve been having troubles. There was a thread on PCOS recently. There are some medications that can be tried (metformin is one) to regulate blood sugar/insulin levels which can lead to increased chances of ovulation.
There are also some dietary modifications that can be made, although I don''t know if these have been proven to increase ovulation in women with PCOS. The Fertility Diet is one book that I can think of.

 

[so cal girl]

Thanks Tiffany. I know there are quite a few drugs that can help with the ovulation issues, and I am sure that is what my doctor wants to diccuss once he gets my bloodwork back. But I HATE taking medications. I rarely even take aspirin.

The Fertility Diet sounds like a good read. Maybe I''ll go pick up a copy.

 

[nycbkgirl]

So cal- just wanted to say I have pcos as does my sister and I got pg at first ivf attempt after 3 failed iui''s...I barely had any periods at all! But not much cyst action so it was strange. I was on metformin for about a year as I went through treatments. I don''t drink/smoke or have much caffeine in general so my overall health wasn''t bad (just a bit overweight)..so pcos is a big nusiance its basically a problem with hormones and insulin ...bc of not being to ovulate most pcos ppl have to go through ovulation induction. My sis had 4 ivfs and many iui''s and none took so it is strange that it worked for me but when u decide to start treatments u have to look for the best places with the best labs. I hope everything works out well for ya..crossin fingers
I don''t post too much here bc I have no idea what ttcing is all about ..but pcos and infertility I know a thing or 2 about good luck to u all and hope to see ya on the pg boards soon!

 

[mellyjm]

Fisher--
I mostly lurk on this board, but I wanted to let you know that I understand totally what you are going through and how you are feeling about the ovulating problems.
I got of bc in march, and had 3 pretty normal cycles (but wasn''t charting). I then read on here about charting and bought the TCOYF book and was so excited after reading it that I started charting. Well as soon as I started charting I realized I was not ovulating at all! And all of a sudden my cyles were lasting only between 15-20 days, which is extremely odd and short.
Of course, I freaked out and went to the OB. She did labs to check FSH, LH, and TSH and they all came back within normal limits. She also made me have an ultrasound which showed a 3mm dermoid cyst that she was not concerned about. She prescribed provera to take cycle days 10 thru 24. I took the provera, and it basically did nothing, I still started my period while taking the medicine.
At this point I felt dysfunctional, I couldn''t understand why my body could not just ovulate on its own! I too have also carried that dreadful feeling that for some reason I would have difficulty conceiving. I got to the point that I was basically obsessed with the thought of ovulating, and so I decided to give up charting to maybe relieve some of my stress. I also decided to try this herbal medication that I read about online, called FertilAid. I decided that "traditional" medication didn''t really help so I might as well try herbal medication. It is supposed to "promote female hormonal balance and reproductive wellness."
I took it the first month, and nothing really changed, I was still cycling every 14 days (basically I was getting my period every other Wednesday with spotting that would start on Sunday). I decided to keep taking it for the second month, and low and behold, I ovulated this month! I don''t know if I can attribute this to the FertilAid, or just to the fact my body is just taking forever to normalize after the birth control. At first I was so excited to TTC, but then all these ovulation problems arose, and TTC took a back seat. I was just so focused on trying to ovulate. I really just wanted to tell you all of this, because I really do know how you feel, and I hope things turn around for you!! I am also not trying to make you feel as though you should try the FertilAid, that is something that you should decide for yourself. I honestly don''t know if it really did anything, but I was just so hopeless at that point, I would have tried anything! Sorry this is so long, but I wish you the best of luck.