Tiny update on 5ct project- Voting requested

[diamondseeker2006]

I honestly do not find any of those colored stones appealing. A fancy light yellow would be lovely for a right hand ring, but I still think your pear in the Leon setting is superior and would not trade it for that fancy light yellow.

What is the clarity on the 5 ct. round? I would not go down on clarity on that size stone just to get a bigger size. But I do think you need to stick with rounds to achieve your desire for a stone that appears very large.

 

[Phoenix]

I can tell it's not leakage b/c they used a black background, so all leakage is black.. White background (as in, no background, just stone's pavilion facing the *only* light source) is MUCH better for this purpose.

What is an IA? if the vendor just turns off the other bright light on the side of the scope setup if they have a backlight w/ a divot for the stone great, otherwise tweezers to hold the stone in front of the lightsource


Re. stones - how are you defining ideal? If you're going by the technical term - well, a non-AGS graded stone has is automatically out of the running I found a stone with numbers I liked on the virtual listings, had WF call it in and send IS/ASET. I took the chance that the spread could be large and the numbers reported weren't an accurate representation and got lucky on it! had it shipped out to see in person (mostly for the inclusions at that point, which I had WF stick under a prong). I love WF but when parting w/ that sort of money I want more assurance than the word of a sales rep, no matter how trusted. But my stone has a GIA report so yup it's not "ideal"[/quote]

I see, thank you, Yssie.

Yes, I'm sure you didn't *just* rely on the word of a sales rep. I worded my Q clumsily, sorry. I guess what I meant to ask was what infor and input you used as the basis of your decision. You did very well. It's gorgeous.

 

[Phoenix]

Phoenix,
have you seen this stone?

It's only a med blue fluoro and scores a 1.0 on the HCA, so might be worth investigating further?

I dont know what your budget is but this one seems to be considerably cheaper than all the others of approx same specs

MAC

Actually, I have and was wondering about the Si2 grading. Might be worthwhile to call it in to have a look. Thank you.

 

[Phoenix]

I honestly do not find any of those colored stones appealing. A fancy light yellow would be lovely for a right hand ring, but I still think your pear in the Leon setting is superior and would not trade it for that fancy light yellow.

What is the clarity on the 5 ct. round? I would not go down on clarity on that size stone just to get a bigger size. But I do think you need to stick with rounds to achieve your desire for a stone that appears very large.

That's very interesting (and thanks also to everyone else who seem to have boo-boo'ed those fancies). Thanks for your honest opinion. I do indeed love my pear. Perhaps I should just keep it and not worry so much abt the buy-back policy running out.

Yes, I guess the RB should be my target. I should just stop looking around at anything else and focus my efforts on this! [duh, Phoenix! ]

ETA: Oh, almost forgot to answer yr Q. The 5ct is H SI1. I'd love for it to be eye-cleanish. Garry mentioned in one of the recent threads that there's no such thing as eye-clean in this size range, but I'd settle for eye-cleanish (whatever that means, LOL, but in *my* case, if I couldn't see the inclusions from say 12 inches away, that'd be plenty good. Something has to give, right - unless one has an unlimited budget?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Ah, yes, most of us can relate to having a limit, regardless of the size range we are looking at! And I can absolutely relate to liking more than one thing but going with a round by default because of it's timeless beauty. What about going to a 4 ct. round that is H VS2? I agree that there could be an SI1 with especially good inclusion placement (like under prongs) but as Garry said, it might be really hard to find a great cut SI1 in that size range.

 

[risingsun]

I originally voted for the 6 ct stone until Iearned it was an EC. I rescind said vote! I don't really think you will be happy with any of these diamonds. I think in a diamond of this size, you would want the best cut, color and clarity you can find, within your budget. I would be afraid that in such a large stone, the color and clarity would be more obvious than in a smaller stone. The sweet spot for me is G VS2. You might go to an H SI1, but after that, I think you would be pushing it. Good luck with your search!!

 

[simplysplendid]

Hi Phoenix, I didn't vote on any of these. It's a big purchase, so my humble opinion is not to make any hasty decisions. Take your time to find one that you really love. I didn't get the impression that you really love any of the options you have listed. It is too big a purchase to not really, really love what you buy.

 

[oranges]

Hi Phoenix, I didn't vote on any of these. It's a big purchase, so my humble opinion is not to make any hasty decisions. Take your time to find one that you really love. I didn't get the impression that you really love any of the options you have listed. It is too big a purchase to not really, really love what you buy.

+1. It doesn't really sound like any of these stones fit the bill. If you wait it out and get something that you would be absolutely delighted with ... I think that you will finally feel satisfied.

 

[Amethyste]

Hi Phoenix, I didn't vote on any of these. It's a big purchase, so my humble opinion is not to make any hasty decisions. Take your time to find one that you really love. I didn't get the impression that you really love any of the options you have listed. It is too big a purchase to not really, really love what you buy.

+1. It doesn't really sound like any of these stones fit the bill. If you wait it out and get something that you would be absolutely delighted with ... I think that you will finally feel satisfied.

... And that was the reasonning behind my first post that I wrote in your previous thread - Unfortunately, you felt that I was unkind when I truly expressed what I felt. What I gathered from your previous posts was that you wanted to get a round to most likely benefit from the wow factor as this shape shows more of its carat (granted well cut). If you start going into fancy shapes especially the ones that are deep you will probably end up with a smaller looking stone in the end - and i doubt that you'll be very happy when all is set and done. take your time - there is no rush really? taking your time might allow you to save more money and move toward what you really wants rather than compromising to get something now.

Most likely a 5CT+ in the SI1 range will have visible inclusions.

 

[sparkles]

Most likely a 5CT+ in the SI1 range will have visible inclusions.[/quote]


I was wondering what that ugly black mark is on my very yellow 5+ct ACA I si1.

 

[yssie]

when all is set and done.

hehehe
very appropriate wording for this forum

 

[Amethyste]

when all is set and done.

hehehe
very appropriate wording for this forum

True huh? But nothing is ever set and done on PS. So many projects - never enough time & Money!.. Mostly, set, done - un-set, and re-done... All of the possible mix and match!

 

[Amethyste]

Most likely a 5CT+ in the SI1 range will have visible inclusions.

I was wondering what that ugly black mark is on my very yellow 5+ct ACA I si1. [/quote]

ETA: I think the diamond you have is gorgeous!! Looks lovely!

 

[Phoenix]

Respectfully, I agree with everything Kaleigh says...
I don't want to see you lose major money on your beautiful stone.
From your past posts you really seemed to have your heart set on a large RB.
I think you should really reflect on what you want and I would love to see you get your heart's desire you are a very sweet lady and great PSer.

I wish you luck and hope that you find a resolution within a time line that makes you happy!

Awwww, right back at ya!

 

[Phoenix]

How do I get the vendor to take proper IS images for me? Do you have any recommendations/ can you give me some guidance, so I can take them back to the vendor? And, would a PS IA be able to obtain them for me?

Yssie, how did you know that yours, not being an ideal cut stone, would turn out beautiful? Did you obtain loads of pics from WF (was it WF?), and/ or rely on the words of the sales rep there?

Yap, definitely not leakage in the Idealscope image. http://www.ideal-scope.com/1.taking_IS_photos.asp

IA you will have to check with them individually, some will have the equipment and training to take the images some do not.

Thank you, Stone-cold. Very helpful infor.

 

[Phoenix]

I originally voted for the 6 ct stone until Iearned it was an EC. I rescind said vote! I don't really think you will be happy with any of these diamonds. I think in a diamond of this size, you would want the best cut, color and clarity you can find, within your budget. I would be afraid that in such a large stone, the color and clarity would be more obvious than in a smaller stone. The sweet spot for me is G VS2. You might go to an H SI1, but after that, I think you would be pushing it. Good luck with your search!!

I know what you're saying, risingsun. Everyone has their tolerance, colour and clarity-wise. I'd love to get a 5ct G VS1 or VS2, but unfortunately that ain't happening any time soon! So for the time being, an H Si1, provided it looks pleasing to the eye, would be plenty good for moi!

Ooops, I see that I didn't state clearly on the poll that the 6ct is an EC. That might explain why the voting is so high on that! I'll ask Admin to see if they can fix it. Cheers.

 

[Imdanny]

I voted in your first poll and I'll be honest about my feelings about this new poll. I don't see any rhyme or reason behind your choices. I've abstained from voting. I don't have your resources but if I did I feel that I'd want a very specific goal with very specific parameters. This is too much money for me to conceive of choosing between such disparate choices. No harm intended.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

How much are our votes influencing your decision? You really probably should take a break from PS if you're finding that it's over influencing your life. It'd be scary that 32 votes here is what's helping you decide. JMO.

You have a lot of fabulous jewelry. Maybe just kick back and enjoy it all for awhile?

 

[sparkledust]

I'm looking at your avatar and thinking how can you possibly want more....granted who doesn't want more when it comes to diamonds
However...wow, 5+ carats???? That is A LOT of stone!

 

[Deia]

I haven't voted because my answer would be "none of the above" but you didn't have that option!

I've followed your search (sporadically I confess!) and in the nicest way possible I agree with Iamdanny and MC. I think stepping back a little and maybe filling your time with another hobby for a while may be a good idea before you decide on such a large purchase. You just seem in a rush - is it because of the JA pear? I would sell that one back now if you know 100% your ultimate goal is an upgrade to a 5ct RB so that you take advantage of the buy back period but as for the purchase of said 5ct RB, I just really don't think these kind of decisions should be taken in a rush, you don't seem excited about any of the stones you posted here so IMO it will just come back to bite you in the a$$ later

 

[blingmyring]

I am an avid follower of all of your threads and I don't think you need a break from PS. You have wanted the RB upgrade for a very, very long time and I think you should stick with your RB search. I don't get the feeling that you're a colored diamond kind of gal and since an RB is your first choice you should save the EC for another time.

Nobody seems to think twice when they buy a car, drive it off the lot, and it immediately depreciates - taking a loss on a car is okay but taking a loss on a diamond is considered crazy - I don't think so. If taking a loss means you can realize your dream then go for it - you only live once. I'm assuming your DH is on board - what does he think? Is he okay with selling the pear back to JA? I was in JA's office in November 2008 around thanksgiving and I brought up your beautiful pear during my meeting with Julianna ... I know the clock is ticking on the buy-back ... I wish you luck with making your decision.

On another note, did you ever personally see the 5ct I1 RB that you were considering last year? If so, do you regret not buying that one?

 

[Amethyste]

... taking a loss on a car is okay but taking a loss on a diamond is considered crazy - I don't think so.

Taking a loss on a diamond that you trade/sell to get what you REALLY REALLY want might be a little less hard to swallow, if that diamond will remain on your finger for the rest of your life. To take a loss on a diamond to get something that you do not completely love, to then in return sell/trade that one in he near future for the one that you REALLY REALLY love is harder to swallow - financially speaking.

I know you only live once - and you should do things to please you ( I totally get this, i do that myself ) but the money aspect of things is always a consideration of mine. Perhaps not of others... As long as the buyer/husband/wife/all are ok with the lost $$$ while upgrading several times, then no harm done. When you are in the 3.5/4/5/6CT range, it's not really pocket change...

 

[Deia]

I don't drive but I am most certain I would think twice about buying whatever car I would be interested in. I may be different, who knows, but I don't spend my hard earned money without giving whatever it is I am buying some thought and research. In fact, that exact reason got me on PS in the first place. We all have different perspectives however and there isn't a right or wrong one, I can only suggest what I would do if I were in Phoenix's shoes (and those are some lucky shoes to be in!)

 

[Dreamer_D]

... taking a loss on a car is okay but taking a loss on a diamond is considered crazy - I don't think so.

Taking a loss on a diamond that you trade/sell to get what you REALLY REALLY want might be a little less hard to swallow, if that diamond will remain on your finger for the rest of your life. To take a loss on a diamond to get something that you do not completely love, to then in return sell/trade that one in he near future for the one that you REALLY REALLY love is harder to swallow - financially speaking.

I know you only live once - and you should do things to please you ( I totally get this, i do that myself ) but the money aspect of things is always a consideration of mine. Perhaps not of others... As long as the buyer/husband/wife/all are ok with the lost $$$ while upgrading several times, then no harm done. When you are in the 3.5/4/5/6CT range, it's not really pocket change...

But it is pocket change to some people. And the enjoyment of upgrading may be worth the cost to some people. It is a hobby, like any other IMO. Money spent on travels or other hobbies is lost down the drain, but for memories. I do not think this is any different. For many people, wearing a diamond for life is not a desire, or an ideal they strive for.

That said, Phoenix, I still don't think you should make the switch unless you get what you want -- a 5ct well cut RB that is mind clean in color and clarity. The options you present so far are worse than what you presently have IMO.

 

[blingmyring]

... taking a loss on a car is okay but taking a loss on a diamond is considered crazy - I don't think so.

Taking a loss on a diamond that you trade/sell to get what you REALLY REALLY want might be a little less hard to swallow, if that diamond will remain on your finger for the rest of your life. To take a loss on a diamond to get something that you do not completely love, to then in return sell/trade that one in he near future for the one that you REALLY REALLY love is harder to swallow - financially speaking.

I know you only live once - and you should do things to please you ( I totally get this, i do that myself ) but the money aspect of things is always a consideration of mine. Perhaps not of others... As long as the buyer/husband/wife/all are ok with the lost $$$ while upgrading several times, then no harm done. When you are in the 3.5/4/5/6CT range, it's not really pocket change...

But it is pocket change to some people. And the enjoyment of upgrading may be worth the cost to some people. It is a hobby, like any other IMO. Money spent on travels or other hobbies is lost down the drain, but for memories. I do not think this is any different. For many people, wearing a diamond for life is not a desire, or an ideal they strive for.

That said, Phoenix, I still don't think you should make the switch unless you get what you want -- a 5ct well cut RB that is mind clean in color and clarity. The options you present so far are worse than what you presently have IMO.

I totally agree with Dreamer. I never suggested she should settle on a 5ct RB for the sake of having any 5ct RB - she should find the one that makes her heart sing - and she will By the way Amethyste - your lemony makes my heart sing - it's G.O.R.G.E.O.U.S.

 

[Deia]

That said, Phoenix, I still don't think you should make the switch unless you get what you want -- a 5ct well cut RB that is mind clean in color and clarity. The options you present so far are worse than what you presently have IMO.

This.

 

[Amethyste]

... taking a loss on a car is okay but taking a loss on a diamond is considered crazy - I don't think so.

Taking a loss on a diamond that you trade/sell to get what you REALLY REALLY want might be a little less hard to swallow, if that diamond will remain on your finger for the rest of your life. To take a loss on a diamond to get something that you do not completely love, to then in return sell/trade that one in he near future for the one that you REALLY REALLY love is harder to swallow - financially speaking.

I know you only live once - and you should do things to please you ( I totally get this, i do that myself ) but the money aspect of things is always a consideration of mine. Perhaps not of others... As long as the buyer/husband/wife/all are ok with the lost $$$ while upgrading several times, then no harm done. When you are in the 3.5/4/5/6CT range, it's not really pocket change...

But it is pocket change to some people. And the enjoyment of upgrading may be worth the cost to some people. It is a hobby, like any other IMO. Money spent on travels or other hobbies is lost down the drain, but for memories. I do not think this is any different. For many people, wearing a diamond for life is not a desire, or an ideal they strive for.

That said, Phoenix, I still don't think you should make the switch unless you get what you want -- a 5ct well cut RB that is mind clean in color and clarity. The options you present so far are worse than what you presently have IMO.

I know I usually do not post popular opinion whenever I post on this board - I am kind of used to it by now. And I did say that it might be pocket change to others - but the practical side of my personnality wanted to point out that sometimes, sit back and wait might be a better option ( financially and also result-wise ) rater than making a quick decision and ending with something that your heart is not entirely happy with. The time you are spending waiting ( 3-5-9-12 months ) can also enable you to save more money to then invest into the diamond purchase that you really really want. I guess I am either not making my post consise enough or I am just barking up the wrong tree.

 

[risingsun]

I originally voted for the 6 ct stone until Iearned it was an EC. I rescind said vote! I don't really think you will be happy with any of these diamonds. I think in a diamond of this size, you would want the best cut, color and clarity you can find, within your budget. I would be afraid that in such a large stone, the color and clarity would be more obvious than in a smaller stone. The sweet spot for me is G VS2. You might go to an H SI1, but after that, I think you would be pushing it. Good luck with your search!!

I know what you're saying, risingsun. Everyone has their tolerance, colour and clarity-wise. I'd love to get a 5ct G VS1 or VS2, but unfortunately that ain't happening any time soon! So for the time being, an H Si1, provided it looks pleasing to the eye, would be plenty good for moi!

Ooops, I see that I didn't state clearly on the poll that the 6ct is an EC. That might explain why the voting is so high on that! I'll ask Admin to see if they can fix it. Cheers.

When I saw that 6ct, I thought it was too good to be true It was only through reading the other comments that I discovered it was an EC. Have you looked at any H SI1 RB in your ct range yet? If so, how did they look to you? Do you have a thread showing you wearing the pear? I would love to see it, if you do.

 

[missydebby]

Hey Phoenix! Sorry I haven't replied until now as i felt I had nothing really to add. But after reading through again, I just want to +1 on waiting fro a gorgeous RB, cut the way you want and the carat size you want. It'll be worth the wait.

 

[oranges]

Hey Phoenix! Sorry I haven't replied until now as i felt I had nothing really to add. But after reading through again, I just want to +1 on waiting fro a gorgeous RB, cut the way you want and the carat size you want. It'll be worth the wait.

I agree with this! If you just held on a little longer I think that you would be able to afford something PERFECT! Plus, you have so many absolutely incredibly stunning rings to 'hold you over'!!!!!! The things I would do for your jewelry collection, Phoenix :swoon: