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Yes, for the same $700 she can get a lot more stone in a chrysoberyl without sacrificing on any perceivable criteria. In fact (or at least in opinion) there is the added bonus of getting in on an esoteric under-valued stone while it is still esoteric and under-valued!
 
Date: 6/3/2010 10:30:08 PM
Author: VapidLapid
Yes, for the same $700 she can get a lot more stone in a chrysoberyl without sacrificing on any perceivable criteria. In fact (or at least in opinion) there is the added bonus of getting in on an esoteric under-valued stone while it is still esoteric and under-valued!

A lot of the precision faceters can obtain chrysoberyl rough and facet it beautifully, unlike most sapphires which are native cut, or recut from existing cut stones, which also raises the cost.
 
Mmmmm....if I decide to go the chrysoberyl route, just in the last hour, I''ve been looking at various ones on websites and it seems the majority are a yellow-green tint. Although I know that canary yellow chrysoberyls exist, I''m concerned that it would take a long time to find the exact one that I want vs a canary yellow sapphire. I know it may cost more, but I may stick with the yellow sapphire just for time.
 
As far as the chrysoberyl, you could always contact some cutters and see what they have behind the counter, and what they can get their mitts on. I sent Michael E a picture of the yellow I was looking for, and talked to him on the phone about it. He contacted his supplier and had rough on the way to him the next day. I admit, I was a bit scared of the green at first, but when I set eyes on it, I was completely and totally floored. Sometimes, depending on lighting, I can tell a little that it''s got the faint green to it, but it''s not something others would notice I don''t think. (well, these guys here would haha) The cutting is unreal. And like TL said, it''s totally impossible to capture the sparkle in a picture. I think chrysoberyl is a stone that will knock people down from across the room!
 
For the record, TL, I was only using a NSC sapph because I was looking for quick results and a large variety of stones. You guys know how much I abhor NSC. I was going to say so in my original post, but decided to avoid it to be...nice.

Also, I'm seriously limiting my time online for the moment, and figured NSC would have SOMETHING that was a nice color. I was surprised at how many yellow stones over 2cts seemed to be cut decently when I was looking TBH.

YSQueen (Yellow Sapphire Queen I presume?) it looks like you want a yellow sapphire with a hint of gold to it. Just the faintest touch of orange. I know there is a ton out there, and if anyone can help you find exactly what you're looking for, these ladies can.

Also, Chryso is an awesome stone for a smaller budget.
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I bought one for Clairitek's bridesmaid necklaces and under fluorescent lights its reminiscent of a Mountain Dew yellow. I would at least send out feelers to some cutters and see if they have anything to offer. Packie's is fabulous.

Back to my ultra limited internet viewing...who am I kidding? Time for bed.
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Is there a possibility that you are so set on a sapphire because you think it will carry more "status" than another stone when you tell people who are not into gems what your e-ring stone is? I''m asking because I tried to talk my sister into a spinel but she was set on a sapphire for the reason set out above. She ended up getting a sapphire that was much smaller than she would have liked.
 
No need to explain Freke, I was just teasing.
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It was nice of you to offer the OP many lovely suggestions.

As for chrysoberyl, I think some cutters like Richard Homer, and other vendors, have caught on that it's a fabulous gem, and the prices they're charging show!!
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I'm glad I bought mine when I did because I see that prices are going up on chrysoberyl. Most yellow sapphires in the marketplace are diffused, and that gives them a bad rap among the trade. It's a good thing the OP found Prisecope because 99% of people don't know about diffusion and pay exhorbitant prices for what they think is natural color.

Here's my 1.1 carat chrysoberyl I won on an auction for $10, and look how saturated yellow it is. It has a touch of green, but not too much at all, and no brown whatsoever. Okay, the cutting is lousy, but you really get so much more for your money with chrysoberyl, but if the OP wants sapphire, that's her decision, and I'm glad people are on the lookout for her for some nice yellow sapphires. I think this stone is more saturated in color than the $700 small sapphire on the previous page. The pink stone next to it is a spinel, another wonderful gem that is so underappreciated in the gem market.

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Here are quite a few fine chrysoberyls:

http://www.gemcal.com/spinel/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?seo=cat--Chrysoberyl--cbrl
 
Man, you guys are selling me on chrysoberyl, and I''m not even looking for a yellow stone right now.

(seriously though, if I hang out in this thread much longer, I just know I''m going to end up buying one. PS destroys my willpower so fast.)
 
Everyone, thank you so much for your help! I never knew I would be able to get help on this.

My BF told me that is the 5th or 6th stone that the jeweler has shown him and that all the stones have relatively been similar. He said none of the stones that the jeweler showed him were the canary yellow that I really want. I'm wondering how hard it can be for the jeweler to get the type of stone that I want when I've seen all the beautiful stones that you ladies have posted here. I've seen the setting and I REALLY like the setting that the jeweler has, so at minimum, we would need to buy the setting if the jeweler can't come up with the yellow sapphire that I'm looking for.

@ Freke - Yes it is Yellow Sapphire Queen

@ Kribbie - I am a little sold on the status of a sapphire. I'm also concerned about the hardness. But it wouldn't be enough to not change my mind. My BF told me that he's already been working with the jeweler for a month and has practically told the jeweler that that's the stone. I've now told him that I don't want that stone, so he's seeing if he can work it out with her. I'm a little concerned that if we change to a chrysoberyl that the jeweler may become frustrated with us. Do jewelers easily become frustrated with couples who change their mind?

@ TL - Thank goodness I did. I really was about to settle on that stone until ya'll schooled me. I'm thinking that if the jeweler is willing to accommodate us on not setting the original stone, and she can't produce any other yellow sapphires to our liking, we may change to chrysoberyl.


P.S. - Our budget is around $1500, $1700 if necessary. With the setting that I like, there's no way, we can accept anything less than 2 carats as the setting that I like won't accommodate it.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 12:15:36 PM
Author: YSQueen
@ Kribbie - I am a little sold on the status of a sapphire. I''m also concerned about the hardness. But it wouldn''t be enough to not change my mind. My BF told me that he''s already been working with the jeweler for a month and has practically told the jeweler that that''s the stone. I''ve now told him that I don''t want that stone, so he''s seeing if he can work it out with her. I''m a little concerned that if we change to a chrysoberyl that the jeweler may become frustrated with us. Do jewelers easily become frustrated with couples who change their mind?

You don''t have to worry about the hardness of a chrysoberyl. It''s a great everyday stone, third only to sapphire and diamond. Here''s what Barry said after I bought mine: "Chrysoberyl is a funny stone. It is extremely hard and tough and I''d put it against sapphire anyday for toughness. I didn''t cut one until about 7 years ago and I couldn''t believe how resistant it was when I was grinding in facets. It''s a great everyday stone and a whole lot tougher than a diamond. It can take a whack that would break a diamond. I just wish chrysoberyl came in more colors like tourmaline."

Given the stones that you''ve seen on this board compared to what your jeweler is able to source for you, are you more confident now that you can find your perfect yellow chrysoberyl online? :) And, honestly, I might say that you were being unfair to your jeweler if they had been bringing in great stones at fair prices that you just were picky about for some reason, but if they''ve been bringing in nothing but windowed stones that aren''t even the color you want, you have every right to look elsewhere for the stone.
 
YSQueen, you''re a sweetheart to be concerned about it, but you shouldn''t feel obligated to buy a stone you don''t 100% love just to keep the jeweler from getting "frustrated" with you. You''re the one who''s going to be wearing it, not her. If none of her stones are what calls to your heart, then keep looking elsewhere. You can still buy the setting from her.

If your jeweler is a professional then even if she does get frustrated, she won''t show that to you. If she''s not a professional, you don''t need to be working with her anyway.

Buy the stone you love. Don''t settle for anything less, and especially don''t settle for something you don''t love because someone else likes it (whether that''s the jeweler or any of us here on PS). Buy what speaks to you.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 10:18:29 AM
Author: Lovinggems
This one is a nice warm golden yellow but it''s sold, but you can try asking Dana if he has others in his inventory available.


http://mastercutgems.com/index.php?page=viewgem&id=5206

Nice find! That does look a lot like the color YS might be looking for. I wonder if Dana has more inventory? The last update he posted was a while back.
 
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You don''t have to worry about the hardness of a chrysoberyl. It''s a great everyday stone, third only to sapphire and diamond. Here''s what Barry said after I bought mine: ''Chrysoberyl is a funny stone. It is extremely hard and tough and I''d put it against sapphire anyday for toughness. I didn''t cut one until about 7 years ago and I couldn''t believe how resistant it was when I was grinding in facets. It''s a great everyday stone and a whole lot tougher than a diamond. It can take a whack that would break a diamond. I just wish chrysoberyl came in more colors like tourmaline.''


Given the stones that you''ve seen on this board compared to what your jeweler is able to source for you, are you more confident now that you can find your perfect yellow chrysoberyl online? :) And, honestly, I might say that you were being unfair to your jeweler if they had been bringing in great stones at fair prices that you just were picky about for some reason, but if they''ve been bringing in nothing but windowed stones that aren''t even the color you want, you have every right to look elsewhere for the stone.

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I don''t feel that I''m being picky, but my BF just showed me all the stones. Below I''ve included an example of another stone that she showed him which was around the same price. They all pretty look like this with a couple variations in color. He did show me a VERY light yellow sapphire, but it had the same window as the sapphire below. Is it normal to work with a jeweler for months and months? We''re going into our 2nd month of working with her.

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Date: 6/4/2010 12:57:28 PM
Author: YSQueen




I don't feel that I'm being picky, but my BF just showed me all the stones. Below I've included an example of another stone that she showed him which was around the same price. They all pretty look like this with a couple variations in color. He did show me a VERY light yellow sapphire, but it had the same window as the sapphire below. Is it normal to work with a jeweler for months and months? We're going into our 2nd month of working with her.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were being picky. Quite the opposite!

Edited to ask: How much is the setting you are getting?
 
Date: 6/4/2010 1:01:09 PM
Author: karpouzi
Date: 6/4/2010 12:57:28 PM

Author: YSQueen






I don't feel that I'm being picky, but my BF just showed me all the stones. Below I've included an example of another stone that she showed him which was around the same price. They all pretty look like this with a couple variations in color. He did show me a VERY light yellow sapphire, but it had the same window as the sapphire below. Is it normal to work with a jeweler for months and months? We're going into our 2nd month of working with her.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were being picky. Quite the opposite!


Edited to ask: How much is the setting you are getting?

I'm not exactly sure. My BF didn't tell me, but I would guess it's between $900 - $1200
 
Date: 6/4/2010 12:15:36 PM
Author: YSQueen
Everyone, thank you so much for your help! I never knew I would be able to get help on this.

My BF told me that is the 5th or 6th stone that the jeweler has shown him and that all the stones have relatively been similar. He said none of the stones that the jeweler showed him were the canary yellow that I really want. I'm wondering how hard it can be for the jeweler to get the type of stone that I want when I've seen all the beautiful stones that you ladies have posted here. I've seen the setting and I REALLY like the setting that the jeweler has, so at minimum, we would need to buy the setting if the jeweler can't come up with the yellow sapphire that I'm looking for.

@ Freke - Yes it is Yellow Sapphire Queen

@ Kribbie - I am a little sold on the status of a sapphire. I'm also concerned about the hardness. But it wouldn't be enough to not change my mind. My BF told me that he's already been working with the jeweler for a month and has practically told the jeweler that that's the stone. I've now told him that I don't want that stone, so he's seeing if he can work it out with her. I'm a little concerned that if we change to a chrysoberyl that the jeweler may become frustrated with us. Do jewelers easily become frustrated with couples who change their mind?

@ TL - Thank goodness I did. I really was about to settle on that stone until ya'll schooled me. I'm thinking that if the jeweler is willing to accommodate us on not setting the original stone, and she can't produce any other yellow sapphires to our liking, we may change to chrysoberyl.


P.S. - Our budget is around $1500, $1700 if necessary. With the setting that I like, there's no way, we can accept anything less than 2 carats as the setting that I like won't accommodate it.
I'm sure you're learning that carat weight doesn't account for actual face-up size. Do you know the exact minimum and maximum measurements that setting will accept?

Have any pictures of the setting for us?
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Could you buy one of these stones online (after confirming measurements of the stone with the jeweler) and then have the jeweler set it into the setting you want?
 
The color and cutting on that yellow sapphire emerald cut is very unexceptional. Can your jeweler procure a reputable lab report indicating ALL treatment on that stone? If it's diffused, I wouldn't pay more than $20 for it. That stone actually reminds me of a tepid citrine.
 
I think I was wrong on the estimate of the setting price. I think the estimate is closer to $700 - $1000.

The stone in the middle is an amethyst and not what I'm getting. Just the setting. I don't know the exact measurements, but I think it has to be a center stone of 7mm x 9mm. There is a diamond halo with specs of color H, clarity SI. The second halo is yellow sapphires.

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I LOVE that setting.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 2:52:02 PM
Author: tourmaline_lover
I LOVE that setting.

Thanks TL...you can see why I don''t want to give up so easily.
 
Date: 6/4/2010 2:53:06 PM
Author: YSQueen

Date: 6/4/2010 2:52:02 PM
Author: tourmaline_lover
I LOVE that setting.

Thanks TL...you can see why I don''t want to give up so easily.
I have always found that it''s much easier to fine the perfect setting vs the perfect stone. Good luck to you on your search for that gem. I really think that setting is deserving of a fine stone though, and the windowed yellow sapphire above just isn''t worthy of it.
 
Thanks again TL, I''ll talk to my BF in the next few days and see what we can come up with. I''ll update this thread to let everyone know what''s going on...maybe I can run some more stones by ya''ll if necessary to get your input.
 
Regardless of what you run by us, any yellow sapphire should have a reputable lab cert indicating ALL treatment levels, otherwise, you may be overpaying for a worthless gem. I can''t stress this enough about yellow sapphires, and sapphires in general. They are one of the most overtreated and synthesized gems on the market, and many sellers have synthetic and dyed stones without even realizing it.
 
UPDATE!!! UPDATE!!! UPDATE!!!!

I got a couple more stones to look at. What do ya'll think? My personal favorite is the 3rd one.

#1 (1.65 carat yellow sapphire)

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#2 (1.34 carat yellow sapphire)

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#3 (1.99 carat yellow sapphire)

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