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What's the best value in a 2 ct round stone?

There are no deals in the diamond industry because if there were it would have been picked up by someone in the trade along time ago.

For a Bluff stone which faces up nice but doesn't have the heavy price tag you could get the price down by getting Strong-Very Strong florescence(blue) which doesnt have any hazy/overblue effect and will make the colour face up whiter and also you could look for a stone that has a lower clarity SI1 or SI2 but faces up eye clean .
 
Gypsy|1393549080|3624374 said:
I am going to assume that 18.5k is going to be okay.

Here are your choices. Put them on hold and ask if they are eyeclean. Ask for an idealscope image of the ones that are. Post them, and we'll tell you which to pick.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267577 Personal favorite.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-231836 If eyeclean
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267578 If eyeclean

These seem within range assuming I is an acceptable color. I just pulled out the appraisal from the stud earrings I bought her last year and it says G/H.
 
gobble|1393549318|3624375 said:
Gypsy|1393548227|3624364 said:
gobble|1393547935|3624357 said:


Color is fine. Not going to be eyeclean.

Not well cut.

Use HCA: https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca 2 and under pass. 2.5 and under maybe. 2.6 and over fail.

Get an idealscope on any stone that passes or is a maybe (JA can provide one).

If you are finally ready to be reasonable post your REAL budget (not this 20k number you keep SAYING, but we both know you don't want to spend) and let's see what we can find you.

I just ran the HCA calculator and it came out to 1.6. Did I do it wrong?

I'd say my upper limit is $20k but of course I don't want to spend that much if I can get away with less. That being said I'd spend $30 if I knew I was getting a killer deal (although they don't seem to exist).


I have no idea what you malfunction with the HCA is. The HCA score for that stone is a 2.6. FAIL.

Also AGAIN, it is not going to be eyeclean. So you are going to spend 15k on something with a visible inclusion.

Also while BLUE fluorescence is fine (as long as there are no negative effects and a gemologist can check that for you) I would not get an H or I or J color with YELLOW fluorescence.

So here we are with you. AGAIN.

It is CHEAP because it has to be. BECAUSE IT IS NOT A GOOD DEAL.

Are you FINALLY GETTING IT?

Good.

Now, go and look at the diamonds I posted for you. PICK THREE. Get idealscope images.

AND FINISH THIS ALREADY.
 
gobble|1393550445|3624393 said:
Gypsy|1393549080|3624374 said:
I am going to assume that 18.5k is going to be okay.

Here are your choices. Put them on hold and ask if they are eyeclean. Ask for an idealscope image of the ones that are. Post them, and we'll tell you which to pick.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267577 Personal favorite.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-231836 If eyeclean
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267578 If eyeclean

These seem within range assuming I is an acceptable color. I just pulled out the appraisal from the stud earrings I bought her last year and it says G/H.


Great. Stop wasting everyone's time (including your own) put the freaking things on hold. Ask if they are all eyeclean. And get an idealscope image.

As for the I color. Yes, it is fine. I would buy an I round brilliant in a heartbeat.
 
Gypsy|1393550680|3624398 said:
gobble|1393550445|3624393 said:
Gypsy|1393549080|3624374 said:
I am going to assume that 18.5k is going to be okay.

Here are your choices. Put them on hold and ask if they are eyeclean. Ask for an idealscope image of the ones that are. Post them, and we'll tell you which to pick.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267577 Personal favorite.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-231836 If eyeclean
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267578 If eyeclean

These seem within range assuming I is an acceptable color. I just pulled out the appraisal from the stud earrings I bought her last year and it says G/H.


Great. Stop wasting everyone's time (including your own) put the freaking things on hold. Ask if they are all eyeclean. And get an idealscope image.

As for the I color. Yes, it is fine. I would buy an I round brilliant in a heartbeat.

Ok, I will. People get frustrated, but I'm a shopper, researcher, negotiator. Whether I'm buying a car, house, computer, motorcycle, airplane, snowmobile, whatever I always do my homework and never buy anything until I'm convinced I'm getting the best deal. I always look for a hook up too if it's available. There's nothing wrong with that.

On your personal favorite, I come up with HCA 1.2. Is that accurate? 61.2, 58, 33.5, 41.
 
Yes, that's the correct HCA on that stone.

This describes me as well: "I'm a shopper, researcher, negotiator. Whether I'm buying a car, house, computer, motorcycle, airplane, snowmobile, whatever I always do my homework and never buy anything until I'm convinced I'm getting the best deal."

In fact I negotiate high dollar and risky transactions for a living. My husband found me researching SOCKS for him the other day :read: .

Difference though? I drive MYSELF crazy. Not random strangers on boards who volunteer their time. When I ask for information (which is how I found pricescope) I read and study the information given to me CAREFULLY. I READ the links that are provided (which you did not do).

I RESPECT the time and energy people give me. I thank them for their time.

And I make sure that if I ask questions they aren't ones I can easily research myself.

You did not do any of that.

Frankly, you're kind of a user. And that's not appreciated. We don't get paid to be here. We do this as our hobby. Show a little appreciation by reading the information given to you. Don't make us REPEAT OURSELVES AGAIN AND AGAIN. GO UP TO THE KNOWLEDGE TAB YOURSELF AND RESEARCH THINGS INDEPENDENTLY.

And learn to say thank you and please.

:angryfire:
 
[quote="Gypsy|

So here we are with you. AGAIN.

It is CHEAP because it has to be. BECAUSE IT IS NOT A GOOD DEAL.

Are you FINALLY GETTING IT?

Good.

Now, go and look at the diamonds I posted for you. PICK THREE. Get idealscope images.

AND FINISH THIS ALREADY.[/quote]




Gypsy is not in a good mood tonight!... :lol:
 
dude...show some appreciation man...these people are helping us as a courtesy, they dont own us anything. if it wasnt for this forum and people here, i would have bought some random stone on bluenile when in fact i got my girl a mediocre stone. there is tons to learn in this.
dont wanna learn? cool too, the buyer that help jay z get beyonce's ring might be able to help...
 
Anybody else starting to think this guy is a troll! :angryfire:

"Starting" maybe not the best word choice...
 
Sorry, but some of you are a bit off your rockers, especially the cat lady. You have way too much time on your hands. I'm a user because I ask questions and don't say thank you after each post? I'm a troll when I just held three diamonds at james allen (notice the first one now says not available) and am on with Sam at Blue Nile right now. Thanks for your help but I'm done with this board.
 
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

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:wavey:
 
Who would even want to marry this guy? Anybody else hoping he'll get taken for gump?
 
One in every crowed... I just go to "Show Me the Bling" and read all the great posts thanking all these great enthusiasts for their help and how thrilled newbies/seekers are with their beautiful Ideal cut, bright shinning diamonds and I'm a happy PSer!! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. :nono: no matter how many examples or great resources your provide.

Gypsy... I fell on the floor laughing when he called you the cat lady... Hello buddy she's an attorney... Probably more brains in her little finger than some hard headed people have been given... Can you change your avatar back to the black and white kitty with the "are you kidding me look"? It's very fitting!! :bigsmile:
 
Too bad he left! I was reading this thread and formulating a great metaphor about someone trying to sell him a Corolla with a Lamborghini decal pasted on it, at a Lamborghini price, and asking if that was a "great deal". Oh well, I'll save it for another time.
 
I meant to unsubscribe to this thread after my last post. There were so many responses in my inbox that I just had to come see what was worth so many posts.

I saw his comment that how was giving her a diamond with an EGL cert comparable to a lie?

Now that he knows it is not accurate, how is giving her an EGL papered diamond that he knows is not accurately graded so that she will think she got a good stone NOT a lie?

Seemed pretty synonymous to me...

Wink
 
Omg the drama.
 
I missed the whole thing and then had to torture myself by reading most of it. I hope everyone's blood pressure is back to normal. =)
 
Another ssalerno.
Good times...
 
To your corners everyone, and take deep breaths. Feel better? No need to get all worked up, just stop responding to the madness!
 
gobble|1393549018|3624372 said:
How is having a certification from a lab that's been in business for over 30 years lying to her? Buying an EGL graded diamond is lying to her? It's not like I'm forging a certificate of my own. Geez.

This little stone on her finger is sooooo insignificant compared to everything else we have together. A $15k stone on her finger will make her very happy and won't look a bit different that a $25k stone unless some insane diamond lady is judging her by her ring. I know there are people like that out there but she's not one of them.

INSANE DIAMOND LADY? Shove it, dude. Now you have insulted everyone on this board enough. Go buzz off and quit asking people here for any more advice, because you are SUCH A NAIVE BEGINNER that you don't even have a clue how much you don't know.
gobble|1393545367|3624327 said:
Some are more materialistic than others and she'll be happy with whatever. I'd like something nice though that doesn't break the bank.

I'm talking about spend $20,000! on a tiny piece of glass and people are giving me a hard time. Crazy.

She will be happy, but for how long? What if she decides to study what's on her hand? What about after she gets really interested in diamonds because now she has one? She comes to PS, and goes over to Good Old Gold, and she decides to completely analyze what's on her hand. Did you think ahead any?

We are giving you a hard time? No, we are not. We are giving you advice, which is what you asked for. You are the crazy one. And foolish and rude and completely inconsiderate. You came to the Internet's premier diamond-selling board, which was and remains created for the purpose of marketing above-average fine diamonds, you asked for advice, and then you continued to tell us essentially how stupid our opinions are. You are free to buy whatever you think is "good enough." Just don't come in here and degrade us for what WE call "good enough." Pricescope has existed since, what, 2002? and will not settle for average quality, because that's not what PS promotes. If you want a mall or pawn shop stone, you are asking the wrong people for advice. Just go to the nearest mall store or pawn and buy something and be done with it. The alternate is you can read and pour over all of the information that's so easy to find here, learn something, and then quietly get your roadmap together, and just go make the purchase that suits you.

Personally, I would not spend even $8,000 on a Lamborghini, but I own a paid-for $60,000 diesel pickup truck. It goes real fast now after a few mods, too. And I can easily put over 300,000 miles on the engine and transmission before they'll need repaired or replaced. :lol: I don't need to get raked over the coals and WASTE MY MONEY on unreliability and obviously inflated repair costs and high-cost labor for some candyarse scrape-the-ground impractical car. But I learned not to wear my Insane Diamond Lady Rings anymore when driving the diesel, because having to put some extra muscle on the wheel bent and flat-spotted my fabulous rings. Truly, life is just full of first-world problems, ain't it. :lol:
 
gobble|1393551012|3624402 said:
Gypsy|1393550680|3624398 said:
gobble|1393550445|3624393 said:
Gypsy|1393549080|3624374 said:
I am going to assume that 18.5k is going to be okay.

Here are your choices. Put them on hold and ask if they are eyeclean. Ask for an idealscope image of the ones that are. Post them, and we'll tell you which to pick.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267577 Personal favorite.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-231836 If eyeclean
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.01-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-267578 If eyeclean

These seem within range assuming I is an acceptable color. I just pulled out the appraisal from the stud earrings I bought her last year and it says G/H.


Great. Stop wasting everyone's time (including your own) put the freaking things on hold. Ask if they are all eyeclean. And get an idealscope image.

As for the I color. Yes, it is fine. I would buy an I round brilliant in a heartbeat.

Ok, I will. People get frustrated, but I'm a shopper, researcher, negotiator. Whether I'm buying a car, house, computer, motorcycle, airplane, snowmobile, whatever I always do my homework and never buy anything until I'm convinced I'm getting the best deal. I always look for a hook up too if it's available. There's nothing wrong with that.

On your personal favorite, I come up with HCA 1.2. Is that accurate? 61.2, 58, 33.5, 41.

Dude I'm not sure you get it at all. This is pricescope where finding a deal is what we try to do. What you are trying to do is buy a toyota because your car salesperson is telling you it is a BMW. EGL is not a reliable lab, so why are you spending money on something when you're not even really sure what exactly it is. How is that doing your homework...i really hope you aren't in business. You had at least 2 dozen people explaining to you the differences and all you took out of that is that you think we are trying to increase your budge on something ideal. So let me break it down for you. These ppl are trying to get you the best deal they can with a diamond that has known details. They are selling their toyota's as exactly that. Please stop being defensive and actually read the advise. The teenage hissy fit is really not helping your case and I'm sure all the comments are taking away for what should be an exciting time in your life.

And FWIW before pricescope I bought a 2.04ct D SI2 diamond for what I thought was a great deal! It was below price in compariable GIA diamonds so I thought heck as long as it is eyeclean it has to be great. Had a GIA cert and it appraised as F, I1 at over 30% less then what I paid. I can get a GIA 2 f, 1I for under 10k. It was not a smart investment at all. So yes I well overpaid for my 2ct diamond. These ppl are trying to keep you from making my mistake.
 
Mayk|1393604181|3624704 said:
Gypsy... I fell on the floor laughing when he called you the cat lady... Hello buddy she's an attorney... Probably more brains in her little finger than some hard headed people have been given... Can you change your avatar back to the black and white kitty with the "are you kidding me look"? It's very fitting!! :bigsmile:

Thank you Mayk.
Back by popular request... my cat Hally and her patented "are you kidding me" look. :wavey:
 
Gypsy|1393621840|3624893 said:
Mayk|1393604181|3624704 said:
Gypsy... I fell on the floor laughing when he called you the cat lady... Hello buddy she's an attorney... Probably more brains in her little finger than some hard headed people have been given... Can you change your avatar back to the black and white kitty with the "are you kidding me look"? It's very fitting!! :bigsmile:

Thank you Mayk.
Back by popular request... my cat Hally and her patented "are you kidding me" look. :wavey:


Live that kitty... :appl: :appl: :appl:
 
Gypsy you are my hero I bow at your feet!!!!
 
Gypsy|1392941037|3619689 said:
gobble|1392938084|3619649 said:
Gypsy|1392937883|3619648 said:
gobble|1392937762|3619645 said:
So in laymans terms hearts and arrows is just a really good ideal cut?
No.
Please read this link: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/[/URL]

Hearts and Arrows is faceting. Ideal cut refers to light return. You can (and often do) get one without the other. The combination of the two in one stone is called superideal.

read the link.

This is too confusing. Maybe I should just go gay and not worry about a diamond!

Our Gay members have some STUNNING diamonds.

Sorry. Not a way out. :lol:


:Up_to_something:

:lol:
 
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