Autumnovember
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I think it depends entirely where you''re living. There are a LOT of places in this world where its conventional for couples to marry in their early 20''s. No one considers it to be ''young''; its considered ''normal'' and ''appropriate'' and divorce rates are low regardless. Even if their brains are still developing, their marriages are successful, and the odds are in their favor.Date: 6/28/2010 1:38:32 PM
Author: RaiKai
Date: 6/28/2010 12:52:21 PM
Author: kagordo4
I think it''s safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''sooo young''.
Honestly I think the age comments come from cynical people that are older and single. : P
I''m married, in my 30''s, and I DO think that the early 20''s is awfully young to get married.
That does not mean I will tell people NOT to get married, nor does it mean I think that getting married young means it is doomed. I have seen some very young people seemingly have very healthy relationships, marriages and so forth (i.e. lilyfoot comes to mind). Just as I have seen some older people have very unhealthy ones. It DOES however mean that I think they are young and I do think that when they are IN IT they cannot yet see just how young they are. To deny you are young is naive, you ARE young. Chronologically, and biologically, you are young. If I say someone is ''young'' it is not a big personal attack against you as a person.
And the odds ARE against you. You ARE more likely to get divorced if you marry young. One can deny this and say they are different, of course. But it would be better served, in my opinion, to look at why the ''odds are against you'' and work on ways as a couple to ensure you are prepared, rather than to just say ''we are different and no one knows us'' or to label those who share concerns as ''cynical and old''. Some of those ''cynical and old people'' also thought at 21 or 22 they were immune from the ''odds''. No one really gets married thinking they are going to get divorced!
At the end of the day people need to make their own decisions, but that does not mean there are not valid personal reasons for my own concerns. And yes, these come from personal experiences as well. A LOT of change happens from the early 20''s to your later 20''s and beyond, and time after time I have seen peers (and even myself!) make decisions about relationships in their early 20''s that were not made from a point in their life where they felt confident and sure of themselves, so they were decisions that often did not work out. It is one of those things that UNTIL you are several years on you can''t see it.
And comments like ''its safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''soooo young'''' and saying the age comments come from ''cynical people'' just shows immaturity, from my personal perspective. Really, 80%? And really, everyone who does not hold a romanticized view is cynical? Are they bitter as they are old and single? Really? Most people I know do not see something WRONG withe being older and single, or even a bit cynical! And I know plenty of people who did marry young (some still married, some not) who do think they should of waited longer.
My husband is former military, with several combat tours (Bosnia, Afghanistan) and even he will say that in his early 20''s (and his peers in their early 20''s who also are in and have also been injured and seen an awful lot of death) would have been too young to get married. Not that it stopped all of them! Yes, these are significant life experiences, but ALL of us have our own life experiences (including myself) and they do not speed up the biological maturity of our brains (which finishes around the age of 25). They may have an affect on our emotional awareness, responsibilities, our life outlooks and so forth, but the brain itself still matures when it matures. Again, it does not mean you are doomed should you get married at a young age, but it does mean that perhaps you should take the time to understand and appreciate why age DOES matter.
All this is to say, just because I think someone is young, does not mean I am making a personal attack against them, or their relationship. I do think, however, that some would be better served working together as a couple on how to understand and improve the odds, should they want to get married, rather than defending themselves against what they see to be ''attacks'' on their maturity.
Date: 6/28/2010 5:25:06 PM
Author: paris29
Autumnovember-Thank you I''m still trying to find a place to do a similar setting. Do you know what kind of ring you want? I too would like to have my kids close in age maybe two years apart. In my dad''s culture they call having kids two years apart stair steps, lol
Date: 6/28/2010 1:38:32 PM
Author: RaiKai
Date: 6/28/2010 12:52:21 PM
Author: kagordo4
I think it''s safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''sooo young''.
Honestly I think the age comments come from cynical people that are older and single. : P
I''m married, in my 30''s, and I DO think that the early 20''s is awfully young to get married.
That does not mean I will tell people NOT to get married, nor does it mean I think that getting married young means it is doomed. I have seen some very young people seemingly have very healthy relationships, marriages and so forth (i.e. lilyfoot comes to mind). Just as I have seen some older people have very unhealthy ones. It DOES however mean that I think they are young and I do think that when they are IN IT they cannot yet see just how young they are. To deny you are young is naive, you ARE young. Chronologically, and biologically, you are young. If I say someone is ''young'' it is not a big personal attack against you as a person.
And the odds ARE against you. You ARE more likely to get divorced if you marry young. One can deny this and say they are different, of course. But it would be better served, in my opinion, to look at why the ''odds are against you'' and work on ways as a couple to ensure you are prepared, rather than to just say ''we are different and no one knows us'' or to label those who share concerns as ''cynical and old''. Some of those ''cynical and old people'' also thought at 21 or 22 they were immune from the ''odds''. No one really gets married thinking they are going to get divorced!
At the end of the day people need to make their own decisions, but that does not mean there are not valid personal reasons for my own concerns. And yes, these come from personal experiences as well. A LOT of change happens from the early 20''s to your later 20''s and beyond, and time after time I have seen peers (and even myself!) make decisions about relationships in their early 20''s that were not made from a point in their life where they felt confident and sure of themselves, so they were decisions that often did not work out. It is one of those things that UNTIL you are several years on you can''t see it.
And comments like ''its safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''soooo young'''' and saying the age comments come from ''cynical people'' just shows immaturity, from my personal perspective. Really, 80%? And really, everyone who does not hold a romanticized view is cynical? Are they bitter as they are old and single? Really? Most people I know do not see something WRONG withe being older and single, or even a bit cynical! And I know plenty of people who did marry young (some still married, some not) who do think they should of waited longer.
My husband is former military, with several combat tours (Bosnia, Afghanistan) and even he will say that in his early 20''s (and his peers in their early 20''s who also are in and have also been injured and seen an awful lot of death) would have been too young to get married. Not that it stopped all of them! Yes, these are significant life experiences, but ALL of us have our own life experiences (including myself) and they do not speed up the biological maturity of our brains (which finishes around the age of 25). They may have an affect on our emotional awareness, responsibilities, our life outlooks and so forth, but the brain itself still matures when it matures. Again, it does not mean you are doomed should you get married at a young age, but it does mean that perhaps you should take the time to understand and appreciate why age DOES matter.
All this is to say, just because I think someone is young, does not mean I am making a personal attack against them, or their relationship. I do think, however, that some would be better served working together as a couple on how to understand and improve the odds, should they want to get married, rather than defending themselves against what they see to be ''attacks'' on their maturity.
I''m sorry, next time I will clarify that I am making a joke directed at other people my age, who are going through similar situations, and might find funny.
Please don''t take ^^ that comment as snide, I really mean it, I''ll post a disclaimer, because sarcasm does not translate well via the internet.
Before I met BF I would say I hoped to get married in my very late 20''s or early 30''s. I can''t say now that I have a prefered age I''d like to be married by, I just don''t want to be waiting for it forever.Date: 6/28/2010 7:55:21 AM
Author: emeraldlightning
Could I perhaps pose an age-based question - do any of you have a certain age by which you would prefer to be married?
HaHa, dont feel guiltly...my SO is gonna be an old dad no matter what at this time...lolDate: 6/28/2010 7:49:38 PM
Author: 4ever
Before I met BF I would say I hoped to get married in my very late 20''s or early 30''s. I can''t say now that I have a prefered age I''d like to be married by, I just don''t want to be waiting for it forever.Date: 6/28/2010 7:55:21 AM
Author: emeraldlightning
Could I perhaps pose an age-based question - do any of you have a certain age by which you would prefer to be married?
I''m happy to see other young LIW here who''s SO is a bit older then them. BF is 8 1/2 years older then me which is somthing I find I don''t really think about any more and am only reminded of on occasion, like his 30th birthday last weekend. The only problem I have found with our age difference is I am awear he has been ready and wanting to have kids for a long time and dosn''t want to be an ''old dad'' while I do want kids but may not be ready for them for some time. He says he''s happy to wait till I am ready, but I can''t help but feel guilty about making him an ''old dad''.
I was the same way as a lot of the girls on here. I was so "after med-school.. and after I have my own life, have lived on my own for 6 years, blah blah." So basically my thirties. He was the same way.Date: 6/28/2010 7:55:21 AM
Author: emeraldlightning
Hello!
Could I perhaps pose an age-based question - do any of you have a certain age by which you would prefer to be married?
Date: 6/28/2010 7:49:38 PM
Author: 4ever
Date: 6/28/2010 7:55:21 AM
Author: emeraldlightning
Could I perhaps pose an age-based question - do any of you have a certain age by which you would prefer to be married?
That''s sort of a blessing and a pain in the butt at the same time thought, isn''t it?Date: 6/28/2010 10:10:21 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I think that people *almost* always think they are/act/seem more mature than their age.
I think I''m weird in that I KNOW I''m less mature than my age in many many ways and can easily pass (behaviorally and physically) for my very early 20s. I even passed for a 16 year old a week after my 28th birthday.
Date: 6/28/2010 10:53:27 PM
Author: kagordo4
But looking young will hopefully pay off come 50.. and 60.
Hey, thanks for the super nice comment, RaiKai! That totally made my dayDate: 6/28/2010 1:38:32 PM
Author: RaiKai
Date: 6/28/2010 12:52:21 PM
Author: kagordo4
I think it's safe to say he's probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we're 'sooo young'.
Honestly I think the age comments come from cynical people that are older and single. : P
I'm married, in my 30's, and I DO think that the early 20's is awfully young to get married.
That does not mean I will tell people NOT to get married, nor does it mean I think that getting married young means it is doomed. I have seen some very young people seemingly have very healthy relationships, marriages and so forth (i.e. lilyfoot comes to mind). Just as I have seen some older people have very unhealthy ones. It DOES however mean that I think they are young and I do think that when they are IN IT they cannot yet see just how young they are. To deny you are young is naive, you ARE young. Chronologically, and biologically, you are young. If I say someone is 'young' it is not a big personal attack against you as a person.
And the odds ARE against you. You ARE more likely to get divorced if you marry young. One can deny this and say they are different, of course. But it would be better served, in my opinion, to look at why the 'odds are against you' and work on ways as a couple to ensure you are prepared, rather than to just say 'we are different and no one knows us' or to label those who share concerns as 'cynical and old'. Some of those 'cynical and old people' also thought at 21 or 22 they were immune from the 'odds'. No one really gets married thinking they are going to get divorced!
At the end of the day people need to make their own decisions, but that does not mean there are not valid personal reasons for my own concerns. And yes, these come from personal experiences as well. A LOT of change happens from the early 20's to your later 20's and beyond, and time after time I have seen peers (and even myself!) make decisions about relationships in their early 20's that were not made from a point in their life where they felt confident and sure of themselves, so they were decisions that often did not work out. It is one of those things that UNTIL you are several years on you can't see it.
And comments like 'its safe to say he's probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we're 'soooo young' and saying the age comments come from 'cynical people' just shows immaturity, from my personal perspective. Really, 80%? And really, everyone who does not hold a romanticized view is cynical? Are they bitter as they are old and single? Really? Most people I know do not see something WRONG withe being older and single, or even a bit cynical! And I know plenty of people who did marry young (some still married, some not) who do think they should of waited longer.
My husband is former military, with several combat tours (Bosnia, Afghanistan) and even he will say that in his early 20's (and his peers in their early 20's who also are in and have also been injured and seen an awful lot of death) would have been too young to get married. Not that it stopped all of them! Yes, these are significant life experiences, but ALL of us have our own life experiences (including myself) and they do not speed up the biological maturity of our brains (which finishes around the age of 25). They may have an affect on our emotional awareness, responsibilities, our life outlooks and so forth, but the brain itself still matures when it matures. Again, it does not mean you are doomed should you get married at a young age, but it does mean that perhaps you should take the time to understand and appreciate why age DOES matter.
All this is to say, just because I think someone is young, does not mean I am making a personal attack against them, or their relationship. I do think, however, that some would be better served working together as a couple on how to understand and improve the odds, should they want to get married, rather than defending themselves against what they see to be 'attacks' on their maturity.
How come? Just wonderingDate: 6/30/2010 10:19:00 AM
Author: IndyLady
The only time I recall someone telling me I was too young is was my drunk, playboy friend who said something along the lines of, ''I heard you want to get married? Why? Whyyyyyy?'' followed by an attempt at a very serious face.
Besides that, I haven''t had anyone tell me that I was too young to be engaged or marry. But, I also don''t tell people (that aren''t friends or family) how old I am.
Date: 6/30/2010 10:00:28 AM
Author: lilyfoot
Hey, thanks for the super nice comment, RaiKai! That totally made my dayDate: 6/28/2010 1:38:32 PM
Author: RaiKai
Date: 6/28/2010 12:52:21 PM
Author: kagordo4
I think it''s safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''sooo young''.
Honestly I think the age comments come from cynical people that are older and single. : P
I''m married, in my 30''s, and I DO think that the early 20''s is awfully young to get married.
That does not mean I will tell people NOT to get married, nor does it mean I think that getting married young means it is doomed. I have seen some very young people seemingly have very healthy relationships, marriages and so forth (i.e. lilyfoot comes to mind). Just as I have seen some older people have very unhealthy ones. It DOES however mean that I think they are young and I do think that when they are IN IT they cannot yet see just how young they are. To deny you are young is naive, you ARE young. Chronologically, and biologically, you are young. If I say someone is ''young'' it is not a big personal attack against you as a person.
And the odds ARE against you. You ARE more likely to get divorced if you marry young. One can deny this and say they are different, of course. But it would be better served, in my opinion, to look at why the ''odds are against you'' and work on ways as a couple to ensure you are prepared, rather than to just say ''we are different and no one knows us'' or to label those who share concerns as ''cynical and old''. Some of those ''cynical and old people'' also thought at 21 or 22 they were immune from the ''odds''. No one really gets married thinking they are going to get divorced!
At the end of the day people need to make their own decisions, but that does not mean there are not valid personal reasons for my own concerns. And yes, these come from personal experiences as well. A LOT of change happens from the early 20''s to your later 20''s and beyond, and time after time I have seen peers (and even myself!) make decisions about relationships in their early 20''s that were not made from a point in their life where they felt confident and sure of themselves, so they were decisions that often did not work out. It is one of those things that UNTIL you are several years on you can''t see it.
And comments like ''its safe to say he''s probably more mature than about 80% of the people telling us we''re ''soooo young'' and saying the age comments come from ''cynical people'' just shows immaturity, from my personal perspective. Really, 80%? And really, everyone who does not hold a romanticized view is cynical? Are they bitter as they are old and single? Really? Most people I know do not see something WRONG withe being older and single, or even a bit cynical! And I know plenty of people who did marry young (some still married, some not) who do think they should of waited longer.
My husband is former military, with several combat tours (Bosnia, Afghanistan) and even he will say that in his early 20''s (and his peers in their early 20''s who also are in and have also been injured and seen an awful lot of death) would have been too young to get married. Not that it stopped all of them! Yes, these are significant life experiences, but ALL of us have our own life experiences (including myself) and they do not speed up the biological maturity of our brains (which finishes around the age of 25). They may have an affect on our emotional awareness, responsibilities, our life outlooks and so forth, but the brain itself still matures when it matures. Again, it does not mean you are doomed should you get married at a young age, but it does mean that perhaps you should take the time to understand and appreciate why age DOES matter.
All this is to say, just because I think someone is young, does not mean I am making a personal attack against them, or their relationship. I do think, however, that some would be better served working together as a couple on how to understand and improve the odds, should they want to get married, rather than defending themselves against what they see to be ''attacks'' on their maturity.
I am quite young, 21, and my husband is 24. I would actually have to agree with basically everything that you stated in your post, RaiKai. Most people as young as us aren''t truly ready to get married, and/or can''t comprehend what having a successful, long-term marriage will really take.
The second highlighted part definitely struck a cord with me - I literally cringe when I see young-LIW''s trying to ''defend'' their age. I do think that it is just solidifying the point about the level of maturity within ''young'' people.
I ask because RaiKai''s response was derived from an off hand comment I made as a joke, which she in turn took too far in my opinion. If you were not implying I was in fact defending my own age, then I offer you my most sincere apologies, as I was not intending to "start something" else in this forum, on this particular subject.
Oh and specifically to Raikai: I learned an interesting fact today from my statistics professor. Statistically more married couples aged 25 and under have a higher divorce rate is quite rational: more people get married at 25. The average in 2007 for women to get married at 25.5 (+/- .2) something like that. For men it was slightly higher at 27. 5, (+/- .2). I can''t remember the rest of his speech but basically the standard deviation was something like 4 to 5 years. Meaning most women marry before 30 years of age. More people get married before thirty: thus more before younger than thirty get divorced. It''s more common because there are more people. This is become trite, it would help if I could remember everything else he said. Since I left my article we read in class there I will simply site Dr. Armstrong and Dr. Waters as my sources, their information came from the census and Harvard.
Oh and I am in no way discrediting that younger people are less mature, have less life experience, etc etc, because quite frankly I agree. I, who knows myself the best, know that I have been a middle aged woman since I was about 6, when I demanded cardigans and pumps for Christmas. I also know what I am and what I am not ready for, life brings challenges, why face them alone.
And I am not blind to what happens, my best friend married right outside of high school to her own marine. She cheated on him while he was in Iraq, and on his second tour (while the divorce proceedings were going on) he was killed by friendly fire. I''m aware that "young people" can and do rush into things. But I think that it is for each person to decide what is right for themselves.
Date: 6/28/2010 12:35:31 AM
Author:paris29
I noticed when I was doing my introduction and replying to other introductions that there were quite a few young ladies in waiting so I though I would start a thread for all the young ladies in waiting or even those young ladies who are engaged. From past experience I have had a lot of people say I am too young etc, so I thought that a type of support group would be good to have for all of us.
Just some background info on me: I am 21 and so is my FF. I am about to start grad school in the fall and FF has about 2 more years before he receives his BA. We have been together 4.5 years in July and hopefully will be getting engaged by the end of the summer.
Hmmn..good question! /www.pricescope.com/idealbb/images/smilies/9.gif[/img].Date: 6/30/2010 10:45:05 AM
Author: lilyfoot
How come? Just wonderingDate: 6/30/2010 10:19:00 AM
Author: IndyLady
The only time I recall someone telling me I was too young is was my drunk, playboy friend who said something along the lines of, ''I heard you want to get married? Why? Whyyyyyy?'' followed by an attempt at a very serious face.
Besides that, I haven''t had anyone tell me that I was too young to be engaged or marry. But, I also don''t tell people (that aren''t friends or family) how old I am.
you totally lost me there..Date: 6/30/2010 5:43:14 PM
Author: LadyJane83
@kangordor
I haven't been participating in this discussion, but I'm confused about the statistics you mentioned. If more people get married when they are 25 or younger, wouldn't that make the divorce rate percentage lower, not higher? If you have 100 people, and 10 of them get divorced, the divorce rate would be 10%, but if you have 200 people... that would be lower than 10%, no?
Forgive me if this is the dumbest question ever... and it very well could be- I went to law school to avoid numbers