A jade question

[Artax]

Hello!
I finally decided to join this awesome community and I was wondering if any of you guys are experienced in Jades?
I got this pretty antique ring with a 13ct GIA certified jade that says: A grade Jadeite jade, translucent, green color - no treatment. The setting is crafted in 15kt gold.
Now, I had never owned a jade before and just wondering what could be an approximate value? I attached a questionable quality picture to show the color which is a very bright and lively green.
Thank you in advance for any insight!

 

[pokerface]

GIA offers stone identification only, never grading services. A real GIA certificate would never say "Grade A," only Jadeite Jade. Have you tried searching for the report number on the GIA website? If the certificate is fake, I would not be optimistic as to the value of the stone.

 

[Autumn in New England]

I know next to nothing about jade, so I'm tagging @Crimson and @icy_jade. Just wanted to say welcome to PS!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

GIA offers stone identification only, never grading services. A real GIA certificate would never say "Grade A," only Jadeite Jade. Have you tried searching for the report number on the GIA website? If the certificate is fake, I would not be optimistic as to the value of the stone.

This struck me at first too, so you're wise to point it out. I did look up the phrase though, and found several GIA certs mentioning different grades of jade. Strange, but it could be legit.

 

[Artax]

GIA offers stone identification only, never grading services. A real GIA certificate would never say "Grade A," only Jadeite Jade. Have you tried searching for the report number on the GIA website? If the certificate is fake, I would not be optimistic as to the value of the stone.

Thank you! I sent the gemstone mounted to GIA myself and they wrote " Known in the trade as "A jade". on a comment under the whole grading. I do have the gia# but since I just got the results I think it might take a couple of days to show up on their website

 

[Artax]

I know next to nothing about jade, so I'm tagging @Crimson and @icy_jade. Just wanted to say welcome to PS!!

Thank you so much! That's very kind of you!

 

[Artax]

Here is the actual report that I just received earlier today @pokerface
Thank you so much for your reply!

 

[pokerface]

I'm happy to be corrected - I tried looking at some jade reports and didn't immediately see any that listed A jadeite. However, I now realize that A jadeite is not a grade and simply refers to jadeite that is untreated (B is bleached and impregnated and C is bleached, impregnated and dyed). Being A is definitely better than B or C but factors like color, evenness, transparency and texture (along with size and cut) is what will determine the value. Hopefully someone more knowledgable will chime in about the particular color of this stone.

 

[Autumn in New England]

Thank you! I sent the gemstone mounted to GIA myself and they wrote " Known in the trade as "A jade". on a comment under the whole grading. I do have the gia# but since I just got the results I think it might take a couple of days to show up on their website

Good to know! I guess it's similar to when they note variety on a report, such as imperial topaz or rubellite. It's a lovely ring!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

A jadeite is not a grade and simply refers to jadeite that is untreated (B is bleached and impregnated and C is bleached, impregnated and dyed).

Interesting! I had no idea.

 

[pokerface]

I think the setting is probably vintage (1950s) rather than antique. I have found a number of similar examples priced around $2000.

Eragem sold this larger stone for $5000, and they are notoriously overpriced.



It is my non-expert opinion that this example of jadeite is not particularly rare and does not possess the degree of transparency that would bump it into a higher price point. https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/jade-quality-factor

I'm glad you got a GIA report - you are way ahead of most newbies! Enjoy the ring, and hope it's the first of many.

 

[Crimson]

Thank you, @Autumn in New England for tagging me.
It is very difficult to judge the quality of jadeite from just one photo.
I shared this earlier on another thread. Hope it is helpful here!
Top jadeite should glow indoors and not just out in the sun. Of course, the sunlight will intensify whatever glow the jadeite inherently has. It’s important however to know that some lower quality, treated jadeite can fluoresce, because of the resin that is used in treatment.
Below is an image from Sohu.com that shows the desired features of top quality jadeite. From the left, the columns are:
Nong, which means saturation or intensity. The column goes down from high to low.
Xian Yang, meaning liveliness, vibrancy and brightness. Again, down the column, you will see decreasing/less desirable levels of vibrancy and liveliness.
Zheng, the extent to which it is the highest standard — the desired shade of green. Besides imperial green, sun green is also highly regarded.
Cun - evenness , with no inclusions or blotches.
Besides the above, there is Zhong, which refers to origin. It’s not geographic origin, but refers to texture. The most desirable texture is Old Pit, which is the finest. Texture also relates to transparency or translucency. There are many terms for this, from peas/beans to glutinous, hibiscus, icy, and glassy (the best).
When all the desirable features are present, the jadeite will command a higher price. For cabochons, there are certain standards such as proportion and thickness.

 

[icy_jade]

I can’t give a value but looking at the size and assuming it’s a lively “Yang” green in real life and evenly coloured, it won‘t be cheap even though it doesn’t look translucent. More than the Eragem one as OP has never color and the eragem jade is also quite uneven.

 

[Crimson]

Adding some clues - the pics here show my translucent, imperial green jade cabochon ring in different light conditions from moderately bright to low light (all indoors). Even under low light, you can still see some translucency.
Another clue: among the vintage or heirloom pieces I have seen or received, the gold is at least of 18K (most often 20K) Nowadays the best jadeite is set in 18K or 22K.
Re: the “yang” (sun) jadeite that @icy_jade mentioned, my “yang” jadeite pieces glow even under low light. In bright light, they appear almost neon.
I would concur with @icy_jade that your piece is probably more valuable than the one from Eragem. Jadeite prices have risen markedly the last 2-3 years.

 

[icy_jade]

I can’t give a value but looking at the size and assuming it’s a lively “Yang” green in real life and evenly coloured, it won‘t be cheap even though it doesn’t look translucent. More than the Eragem one as OP has never color and the eragem jade is also quite uneven.

Nicer color

Blaming auto correct

 

[Artax]

Adding some clues - the pics here show my translucent, imperial green jade cabochon ring in different light conditions from moderately bright to low light (all indoors). Even under low light, you can still see some translucency.
Another clue: among the vintage or heirloom pieces I have seen or received, the gold is at least of 18K (most often 20K) Nowadays the best jadeite is set in 18K or 22K.
Re: the “yang” (sun) jadeite that @icy_jade mentioned, my “yang” jadeite pieces glow even under low light. In bright light, they appear almost neon.
I would concur with @icy_jade that your piece is probably more valuable than the one from Eragem. Jadeite prices have risen markedly the last 2-3 years.

Thank youi so much everyone for the super useful replies! I actually made a mistake and this is set in 18kt yellow gold! your jade is stunning!

 

[Artax]

Thank you, @Autumn in New England for tagging me.
It is very difficult to judge the quality of jadeite from just one photo.
I shared this earlier on another thread. Hope it is helpful here!
Top jadeite should glow indoors and not just out in the sun. Of course, the sunlight will intensify whatever glow the jadeite inherently has. It’s important however to know that some lower quality, treated jadeite can fluoresce, because of the resin that is used in treatment.
Below is an image from Sohu.com that shows the desired features of top quality jadeite. From the left, the columns are:
Nong, which means saturation or intensity. The column goes down from high to low.
Xian Yang, meaning liveliness, vibrancy and brightness. Again, down the column, you will see decreasing/less desirable levels of vibrancy and liveliness.
Zheng, the extent to which it is the highest standard — the desired shade of green. Besides imperial green, sun green is also highly regarded.
Cun - evenness , with no inclusions or blotches.
Besides the above, there is Zhong, which refers to origin. It’s not geographic origin, but refers to texture. The most desirable texture is Old Pit, which is the finest. Texture also relates to transparency or translucency. There are many terms for this, from peas/beans to glutinous, hibiscus, icy, and glassy (the best).
When all the desirable features are present, the jadeite will command a higher price. For cabochons, there are certain standards such as proportion and thickness.

Thank you this was super useful info that I had no idea about! I will try to check it in different lightings and maybe post a couple more pics as clues here in the upcoming days once I receive it

 

[Artax]

I think the setting is probably vintage (1950s) rather than antique. I have found a number of similar examples priced around $2000.

Eragem sold this larger stone for $5000, and they are notoriously overpriced.



It is my non-expert opinion that this example of jadeite is not particularly rare and does not possess the degree of transparency that would bump it into a higher price point. https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/jade-quality-factor

I'm glad you got a GIA report - you are way ahead of most newbies! Enjoy the ring, and hope it's the first of many.

Thank you! I got a couple more pics in indoor lightning and I was also very interested in finding more about this setting. Do you believe to be a more recent one judging from the pics? It is in 18kt gold and not 15 which was a typo.
If anyone can help finding out the age of the ring would be so nice! Such an exciting mistery!

Thank you again for your insight!

 

[Artax]

I can’t give a value but looking at the size and assuming it’s a lively “Yang” green in real life and evenly coloured, it won‘t be cheap even though it doesn’t look translucent. More than the Eragem one as OP has never color and the eragem jade is also quite uneven.

That's great to hear! thank you for your insight!

 

[Autumn in New England]

Thank you, @Autumn in New England for tagging me.
It is very difficult to judge the quality of jadeite from just one photo.
I shared this earlier on another thread. Hope it is helpful here!
Top jadeite should glow indoors and not just out in the sun. Of course, the sunlight will intensify whatever glow the jadeite inherently has. It’s important however to know that some lower quality, treated jadeite can fluoresce, because of the resin that is used in treatment.
Below is an image from Sohu.com that shows the desired features of top quality jadeite. From the left, the columns are:
Nong, which means saturation or intensity. The column goes down from high to low.
Xian Yang, meaning liveliness, vibrancy and brightness. Again, down the column, you will see decreasing/less desirable levels of vibrancy and liveliness.
Zheng, the extent to which it is the highest standard — the desired shade of green. Besides imperial green, sun green is also highly regarded.
Cun - evenness , with no inclusions or blotches.
Besides the above, there is Zhong, which refers to origin. It’s not geographic origin, but refers to texture. The most desirable texture is Old Pit, which is the finest. Texture also relates to transparency or translucency. There are many terms for this, from peas/beans to glutinous, hibiscus, icy, and glassy (the best).
When all the desirable features are present, the jadeite will command a higher price. For cabochons, there are certain standards such as proportion and thickness.

You're the best... wow! I guess this is why some gemologists dedicate their entire careers to just jadeite. There is so much to consider.

 

[Bron357]

Jadeite, I think requires long study to fully understand the nuances that affect value.
Its a very intriguing gemstone.

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

Lovely piece! The color is great even without the backing and the cab is nice and thick!

I echo Icy's comments and say that this will not be cheap. The only thing you had to worry about was that it wasn't A grade but since you've verified that it's A grade, I think you have a decently valuable piece there.

If it's B or C grade it would be a few dollars only.

 

[Crimson]

Thank you! I got a couple more pics in indoor lightning and I was also very interested in finding more about this setting. Do you believe to be a more recent one judging from the pics? It is in 18kt gold and not 15 which was a typo.
If anyone can help finding out the age of the ring would be so nice! Such an exciting mistery!

@Artax Are there any other markings on the inside of the ring? I love a good mystery, too!

You're the best... wow! I guess this is why some gemologists dedicate their entire careers to just jadeite. There is so much to consider.

Jadeite, I think requires long study to fully understand the nuances that affect value.
Its a very intriguing gemstone.

Yes, @Autumn in New England and @Bron357
I don”t dare buy jadeite online, unless it is a fun item like my jadeite bunny. It is one of those stones I have to see, feel and examine. There are features like “veins” which can also affect value and can be seen only under bright light and magnification, or felt with your fingertips. Even a slight variation in shade can create a big difference in price. Because of the extensive vocabulary for colors, textures and other features, there are many ways to draw distinctions. My description above included only the main ones. There are other colours like lake water blue/green, oily green, autumn fragrance green (thought you’d like that last one, @Autumn in New England.

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

I'm going to wear my Jade cab tomorrow thanks to this thread lol!

 

[shelovesinclusions]

I'm going to wear my Jade cab tomorrow thanks to this thread lol!

I literally thought the same thing! Man, I love jade cabs, but my ring gets very little play because it's: an antique, a little too big, and only has 4 prongs.

 

[Artax]

Thank you @Crimson !
The only marking is the one in one of the pics I posted