Another shooting in the US…….

[GliderPoss]

Says it all really….

 

[yssie]

I've been all over the place today distracting myself from this.

From a friend

“
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
Northern Illinois University.
Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
North Panola High School.
Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
Arapahoe High School.
Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
South Carolina State University.
Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
Georgia Regents University.
Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
Georgia Gwinnett College.
John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School.
Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
University of California-Los Angeles.
Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
Vigor High School.
Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
June Jordan High School for Equity.
Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
North Lake College.
Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
Great Mills High School.
Central Michigan University.
Huffman High School.
Frederick Douglass High School.
Forest High School.
Highland High School.
Dixon High School.
Santa Fe High School.
Noblesville West Middle School.
University of North Carolina Charlotte.
STEM School Highlands Ranch.
Edgewood High School.
Palm Beach Central High School.
Providence Career & Technical Academy.
Fairley High School (school bus).
Canyon Springs High School.
Dennis Intermediate School.
Florida International University.
Central Elementary School.
Cascade Middle School.
Davidson High School.
Prairie View A & M University.
Altascocita High School.
Central Academy of Excellence.
Cleveland High School.
Robert E. Lee High School.
Cheyenne South High School.
Grambling State University.
Blountsville Elementary School.
Holmes County, Mississippi. (school bus)
Prescott High School.
College of the Mainland.
Wynbrooke Elementary School.
UNC Charlotte.
Riverview Florida. (school bus)
Second Chance High School.
Carman-Ainsworth High School.
Williwaw Elementary School.
Monroe Clark Middle School.
Central Catholic High School.
Jeanette High School.
Eastern Hills High School.
DeAnza High School.
Ridgway High School.
Reginald F. Lewis High School.
Saugus High School.
Pleasantville High School.
Waukesha South High School.
Oshkosh High School.
Catholic Academy of New Haven.
Bellaire High School.
North Crowley High School.
McAuliffe Elementary School.
South Oak Cliff High School.
Texas A&M University-Commerce.
Sonora High School.
Western Illinois University.
Oxford High School.
Robb Elementary School.

When is it enough! Our children deserve better than this.
“

This is horrifying. This is completely horrifying. I don't even know what to say to this.

 

[Matata]

I wanna move to New Zealand.

I wish we had a prez like Jacinda Ardern.

 

[yssie]

A friend just sent this to a group.

Warning - this will break your heart. But you need to see it anyway.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

This is footage taken whilst the shooter was in the school.

Plenty of Good Guys With Guns. Right there at the right time. Lots and lots and lots of the right time, turns out.

21 innocents died.

 

[icy_jade]

I find it incomprehensible that I send my kids to school, or the cinema and maybe that’s the last time I’ll see them due to some random gun violence.

Or maybe I go to the subway and then die cos I’m Asian and become a victim of some random hate crime.

Or a police will randomly arrest me and sit on me and I die from not being able to breath.

Or if I’m raped I will have no control over my body and whether I want to have a child.

Counting my blessings that it’s not like that where I live. I feel so sorry for the parents and families who lost their loved ones randomly and so senselessly like that. Sad that politically it’s so messed up in the US that no one can effect the right policies to change things and make it safer for everyone.

It can be so random, I don’t even know what to say. How do you even “take care” when it can occur anywhere/time?

 

[autumngems]

We need to get RID OF GUNS, entirely, no exceptions. Sorry gun owners, the “bad guys” ruined it for you. You’ll get over it.

I disagree but everyone is allowed their opinion

 

[autumngems]

Peppered throughout discussions I've read about gun control is the statement that the majority of gun owners in the US favor some sort of gun control. Our respective political parties are unable to reach agreement on gun legislation. Perhaps a task force should be appointed, comprised of gun owners who can assist in drafting legislation that is palatable to all?

I agree

 

[autumngems]

Horrible tragedy in Texas.

Just some to my questions with no answers.

How did Ramos obtain 2 AR15’s? Background check didn’t pick on anything that would prevent him from purchasing the weapons.

What do we do:
Available mental health to all.

Gun sellers speak up if someone comes to purchase a weapon
and the individual seems off kilter.

Should semi automatic weapons that can kill many humans at
once be available to the public? I don’t think hunters hunt with
them.

If government confiscates all guns from the citizens how do they
get the guns from the criminals?

Dialuv

Turth is you won't, there are too many criminials with guns and you can buy parts here and there to make one so you will never get them all.

 

[rainydaze]

Disunited States of Amok

I am once again saddened and disheartened beyond words. @missy the list you posted... if one didn't have perspective before seeing that, it sure pulls the horror into focus. How can anyone think we don't need to revamp our gun laws to address this?

 

[autumngems]

I had to walk into my own elementary school in NYC this morning. Into the unlocked door with the lone unarmed NYPD School Safety agent.

Not at all. I work in NYC which you would THINK has secured buildings, we do not.

I can imagine the lawsuits now, how was he able to just walk into a back door of a school, why was it unlocked?.............
also the response, the videos out now of parents begging the border patrol and police to go in and they said they were waiting for a key (40 minutes)

 

[missy]

Disunited States of Amok

I am once again saddened and disheartened beyond words. @missy the list you posted... if one didn't have perspective before seeing that, it sure pulls the horror into focus. How can anyone think we don't need to revamp our gun laws to address this?

It’s the same people who want to take our choice away re abortion.
Ironic isn’t it.

For once I am at a loss for words. I have no words to describe how I feel.
Not words I can use on pricescope at least without getting banned forever.

 

[Mreader]

“One of the great myths is the idea that gun-control laws are an artifact of the modern era, the 20th century. Gun laws are as old as America, literally to the very early colonial beginnings of the nation. From the beginning of the late 1600s to the end of the 1800s, gun laws were everywhere, thousands of gun laws of every imaginable variety. You find virtually every state in the union enacting laws that bar people from carrying concealed weapons. That’s something people don’t realize.

The iWhen we were all colonies, there were laws in the 1600s making it illegal to discharge a weapon near a road, near buildings, populated areas or on Sundays, and that barred discharge of a gun during social occasions. In New Jersey there was a law that said you weren’t allowed to discharge a weapon when you were drunk and the two exceptions were at weddings and funerals. In the old ‘Wild West,’ they took people’s guns away when they were in a populated area, only to be retrieved when they left. That exemplifies how laws were much tougher 150 years ago than in the last 30 years.”

I didn’t read all of the comments but this is what frustrates me; gun control used to be a bipartisan issue before change of leadership in the NRA and they’ve become hyper political. I’m so sad about what happened, so angry, and feel so hopeless. I’m also freaked out bc I’ve read reports that the police didn’t act quickly and parents were outside the school and weren’t allowed to storm in; the police themselves weren’t storming in.

And btw, I am a gun owner. And yes there should be tighter restrictions. At the very least, and I mean least, having to be 21 or older to buy one.

 

[Mreader]

I can imagine the lawsuits now, how was he able to just walk into a back door of a school, why was it unlocked?.............
also the response, the videos out now of parents begging the border patrol and police to go in and they said they were waiting for a key (40 minutes)

Where did you hear they key story? Do you have a link?

 

[yssie]

“One of the great myths is the idea that gun-control laws are an artifact of the modern era, the 20th century. Gun laws are as old as America, literally to the very early colonial beginnings of the nation. From the beginning of the late 1600s to the end of the 1800s, gun laws were everywhere, thousands of gun laws of every imaginable variety. You find virtually every state in the union enacting laws that bar people from carrying concealed weapons. That’s something people don’t realize.

The iWhen we were all colonies, there were laws in the 1600s making it illegal to discharge a weapon near a road, near buildings, populated areas or on Sundays, and that barred discharge of a gun during social occasions. In New Jersey there was a law that said you weren’t allowed to discharge a weapon when you were drunk and the two exceptions were at weddings and funerals. In the old ‘Wild West,’ they took people’s guns away when they were in a populated area, only to be retrieved when they left. That exemplifies how laws were much tougher 150 years ago than in the last 30 years.”

I didn’t read all of the comments but this is what frustrates me; gun control used to be a bipartisan issue before change of leadership in the NRA and they’ve become hyper political. I’m so sad about what happened, so angry, and feel so hopeless. I’m also freaked out bc I’ve read reports that the police didn’t act quickly and parents were outside the school and weren’t allowed to storm in; the police themselves weren’t storming in.

And btw, I am a gun owner. And yes there should be tighter restrictions. At the very least, and I mean least, having to be 21 or older to buy one.

Thanks for posting this. I do think that most responsible gun owners want more oversight and legislation. The hunters in my life most certainly don’t object.

 

[SaltsNPalms]

Turth is you won't, there are too many criminials with guns and you can buy parts here and there to make one so you will never get them all.

I remember as far back as 2001 I was in a gun shop browsing guns. I was looking for a second one for home defense since my handbag gun is small and wanted something with more heft. One owner asked me if I wanted to see something different, that wasn't available for sale, and I agreed to go to the back and take a look. It was a completely hand fabricated homemade gun. Things have only advanced even more, and rapidly, since then so I can only imagine what those types of guys are up to now.

 

[autumngems]

I saw several stories on the internet saying they were waiting for a school staff to bring a key. I don't have the link

Here is 1 of the links, there are more.

Police waited to enter Texas school as shooter went on killing spree: witness

“There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn’t do a darn thing [until] it was far too late,” Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares.

nypost.com

 

[autumngems]

Where did you hear they key story? Do you have a link?

Police waited to enter Texas school as shooter went on killing spree: witness

“There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn’t do a darn thing [until] it was far too late,” Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares.

nypost.com

 

[Lookinagain]

The right to bear arms IS a right under our constitution, and it's a cornerstone item.

That's one interpretation, but there is another one, so not everyone agrees . The debate is whether the amendment protects the right of private individuals to keep and bear arms, or whether it instead protects a collective right that should be exercised only through formal militia units.
I actually read the Second Amendment to protect the collective, and not individual right since the language of the Amendment begins with "A well regulated militia" and so to me, that is the subject of the Amendment. But the Supreme Court has decided it protects the individual right, so there you have it as the law of the land, at least for now. But it is not a clear cut, straight forward right, under our Constitution. So the debate goes on.

 

[Matata]

Another attempt in Texas:

AK-47, ‘Hit List’ Found Destined for Another Texas School, District Says

The Donna Independent School District posted a note on social media late Wednesday saying it was closing for two days after police found a “credible threat” against their school.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[KristyDarling]

I find it incomprehensible that I send my kids to school, or the cinema and maybe that’s the last time I’ll see them due to some random gun violence.

Or maybe I go to the subway and then die cos I’m Asian and become a victim of some random hate crime.

Or a police will randomly arrest me and sit on me and I die from not being able to breath.

Or if I’m raped I will have no control over my body and whether I want to have a child.

Counting my blessings that it’s not like that where I live. I feel so sorry for the parents and families who lost their loved ones randomly and so senselessly like that. Sad that politically it’s so messed up in the US that no one can effect the right policies to change things and make it safer for everyone.

It can be so random, I don’t even know what to say. How do you even “take care” when it can occur anywhere/time?

You just listed every single fear that I have as an American. I often feel overwhelming guilt for bringing my kids into this increasingly awful world, and my fear of anything happening to them keeps me up at night.

I just heard that the husband of one of the teachers, Irma Garcia, just died of a heart attack. The grief must have been too much to bear.

 

[autumngems]

Another attempt in Texas:

AK-47, ‘Hit List’ Found Destined for Another Texas School, District Says

The Donna Independent School District posted a note on social media late Wednesday saying it was closing for two days after police found a “credible threat” against their school.

www.thedailybeast.com

MSN

 

[Lookinagain]

I can't even comprehend how a parent can allow their child to own an AK-47. That's just nuts. I can't understand why an adult would have one either, by the way.

 

[Calliecake]

The number one killer of children in the United States is GUNS.

@doberman, I completely agree. The NRA is holding their convention this weekend in Texas with the usual suspects as keynote speakers. We just lost 19 children whose parents DNA had to be used to identify some of the children. It takes a special kind of cold hearted bast@#d to go ahead with and attend this convention. There are no words to describe people like this.

 

[Ella]

Folks, we know everyone is holding incomprehensible grief right now for the lives lost this week in the US. A gentle reminder to please keep talk of politicians and party politics out of this thread so that it can remain for everyone to process.

 

[aljdewey]

the videos out now of parents begging the border patrol and police to go in and they said they were waiting for a key (40 minutes)......

Well, one thing is still predictable; news 'rags' who rely on sensationalism to sell their wares haven't changed.

Does it really make sense to anyone that law enforcement would all be sitting around, snapping their chewing gum like they were waiting for a train, just to wait for a room key for an hour? C'mon.....I know folks are smarter than that.

This event was said to occur over 40-60 minutes. The last 35 minutes of that time period included a 30-minute lull of inactivity, and then the final 5 minutes where the tactical team made entry and shot the killer.

The shooter entered the school at 11:40; within four minutes, officers were inside and were taking considerable fire. At this point, all those officers know there is at least one adult male armed with a high-capacity weapon. Here's what they don't know: Is there more than one shooter? If so, are they in multiple locations inside the school? They were working completely blind.

They have to move around the school to assess the scope of the threat AND evacuate as many students as possible to minimize the loss of life.

The only thing that could possible make that situation even worse is a bunch of unarmed, frantic civilians storming the school........adult male civilians, all of whom could also be shooters. Then officers would have to make split-second decisions about the level of threat - not only could those frantic civilians be hurt/killed, but they could distract the ability to focus on the actual problem - the shooter.

The job that officers outside the school are doing is a critical one. They are ensuring well-meaning but frantic folks don't put those kids at further risk by storming in, and they're ensuring that kids being evacuated have clear egress to get out.

I cannot even fathom how excrutiating this must have been for parents on site, but the accusation that officers there weren't doing enough to save these kids is just unthinkable and outrageous.

They all had roles/jobs to do, and they were doing them to the best of their ability in a highly-charged situation. Many of them will suffer PTSD, and I'm sure every single one of them will play back that day in their minds over and over wondering how they could have done more.

These folks all deserve much better than to be armchair-quarterbacked by folks who have no idea what it is to manage a volatile event of this magnitude.

 

[aljdewey]

Five kids who hid under a table with a cloth over it survived. One of them, a boy, recounted this:

"“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

How do you think that officer feels - the one who told her to yell? If you don't think he'll be haunted for the rest of his days on earth, think again.

 

[Gussie]

the videos out now of parents begging the border patrol and police to go in and they said they were waiting for a key (40 minutes)......

Well, one thing is still predictable; news 'rags' who rely on sensationalism to sell their wares haven't changed.

Does it really make sense to anyone that law enforcement would all be sitting around, snapping their chewing gum like they were waiting for a train, just to wait for a room key for an hour? C'mon.....I know folks are smarter than that.

This event was said to occur over 40-60 minutes. The last 35 minutes of that time period included a 30-minute lull of inactivity, and then the final 5 minutes where the tactical team made entry and shot the killer.

The shooter entered the school at 11:40; within four minutes, officers were inside and were taking considerable fire. At this point, all those officers know there is at least one adult male armed with a high-capacity weapon. Here's what they don't know: Is there more than one shooter? If so, are they in multiple locations inside the school? They were working completely blind.

They have to move around the school to assess the scope of the threat AND evacuate as many students as possible to minimize the loss of life.

The only thing that could possible make that situation even worse is a bunch of unarmed, frantic civilians storming the school........adult male civilians, all of whom could also be shooters. Then officers would have to make split-second decisions about the level of threat - not only could those frantic civilians be hurt/killed, but they could distract the ability to focus on the actual problem - the shooter.

The job that officers outside the school are doing is a critical one. They are ensuring well-meaning but frantic folks don't put those kids at further risk by storming in, and they're ensuring that kids being evacuated have clear egress to get out.

I cannot even fathom how excrutiating this must have been for parents on site, but the accusation that officers there weren't doing enough to save these kids is just unthinkable and outrageous.

They all had roles/jobs to do, and they were doing them to the best of their ability in a highly-charged situation. Many of them will suffer PTSD, and I'm sure every single one of them will play back that day in their minds over and over wondering how they could have done more.

These folks all deserve much better than to be armchair-quarterbacked by folks who have no idea what it is to manage a volatile event of this magnitude.

Thank you immensely for this post. I admit, I have been quite upset at the thought of the 40 minute wait (to the point that my husband has his earbuds in full-time now). Your assessment gives me a much needed pause. I have no idea what law officers, parents, kids, or teachers were doing or thinking. It must have been horrific. I have so many strong emotions that it is hard to even think clearly.

 

[yssie]

the videos out now of parents begging the border patrol and police to go in and they said they were waiting for a key (40 minutes)......

Well, one thing is still predictable; news 'rags' who rely on sensationalism to sell their wares haven't changed.

Does it really make sense to anyone that law enforcement would all be sitting around, snapping their chewing gum like they were waiting for a train, just to wait for a room key for an hour? C'mon.....I know folks are smarter than that.

This event was said to occur over 40-60 minutes. The last 35 minutes of that time period included a 30-minute lull of inactivity, and then the final 5 minutes where the tactical team made entry and shot the killer.

The shooter entered the school at 11:40; within four minutes, officers were inside and were taking considerable fire. At this point, all those officers know there is at least one adult male armed with a high-capacity weapon. Here's what they don't know: Is there more than one shooter? If so, are they in multiple locations inside the school? They were working completely blind.

They have to move around the school to assess the scope of the threat AND evacuate as many students as possible to minimize the loss of life.

The only thing that could possible make that situation even worse is a bunch of unarmed, frantic civilians storming the school........adult male civilians, all of whom could also be shooters. Then officers would have to make split-second decisions about the level of threat - not only could those frantic civilians be hurt/killed, but they could distract the ability to focus on the actual problem - the shooter.

The job that officers outside the school are doing is a critical one. They are ensuring well-meaning but frantic folks don't put those kids at further risk by storming in, and they're ensuring that kids being evacuated have clear egress to get out.

I cannot even fathom how excrutiating this must have been for parents on site, but the accusation that officers there weren't doing enough to save these kids is just unthinkable and outrageous.

They all had roles/jobs to do, and they were doing them to the best of their ability in a highly-charged situation. Many of them will suffer PTSD, and I'm sure every single one of them will play back that day in their minds over and over wondering how they could have done more.

These folks all deserve much better than to be armchair-quarterbacked by folks who have no idea what it is to manage a volatile event of this magnitude.

Those "wares" are videos of parents begging a strong LE presence for something to happen whilst their children are murdered inside a school.

A mother who tried to push past the police barricade to get her kids out of the school was handcuffed.
A father who tried to push past the police barricade to get to his kids was tackled (and possibly tasered - conflicting reports).
Another father who tried to get to his kids was pepper-sprayed.
These are NOT reasonable responses to distraught parents' desperation. Especially not from people who are trained for crisis situations. Even if they're split-second decisions.

Meanwhilst, some of those LE officials were going into the school to get their own kids out. “There [were] some police officers' families trying to get their kids out of school because it was an active shooter situation.”

And now we've got the Senator-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named telling a reporter who asked why he feels that America's lack of gun regulation has nothing to do with mass killings like this, which are so common in America and so unique to America, to "Stop being a propagandist".

And in the ultimate irony - weapons will be banned at the NRA convention this weekend. The convention that's still slated to continue, just a few hundred miles from Uvalde.

If all of this doesn't add up to #SomethingIsVeryVeryWrongHere for you then there's - there's absolutely nothing I can possibly say.

 

[swingtime]

Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings.

Uvalde Had Prepared for School Shootings. It Did Not Stop the Rampage. (Published 2022)

Uvalde officials had trained to confront gunmen and, like other schools around the country, had invested in security.

www.nytimes.com

Hmmm, hardening the schools hasn't worked. I'm starting to think we might have to do something about the guns.

 

[Mreader]

Those "wares" are videos of parents begging a strong LE presence for something to happen whilst their children are murdered inside a school.

A mother who tried to push past the police barricade to get her kids out of the school was handcuffed.
A father who tried to push past the police barricade to get to his kids was tackled (and possibly tasered - conflicting reports).
Another father who tried to get to his kids was pepper-sprayed.
These are NOT reasonable responses to distraught parents' desperation. Especially not from people who are trained for crisis situations. Even if they're split-second decisions.

Meanwhilst, some of those LE officials were going into the school to get their own kids out. “There [were] some police officers' families trying to get their kids out of school because it was an active shooter situation.”

And now we've got the Senator-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named telling a reporter who asked why he feels that America's lack of gun regulation has nothing to do with mass killings like this, which are so common in America and so unique to America, to "Stop being a propagandist".

And in the ultimate irony - weapons will be banned at the NRA convention this weekend. The convention that's still slated to continue, just a few hundred miles from Uvalde.

If all of this doesn't add up to #SomethingIsVeryVeryWrongHere for you then there's - there's absolutely nothing I can possibly say.

I’m not disputing what you say @yssie but I’m just wondering what the sources are? Because I admit that when I did see the link to New York Post I thought “take this one with a grain of salt”. That is not to say that these things are untrue just want more info before jumping to judgment about the timeline. :/