Any idea what the cost per carat is for Pariba

[Kaleigh]

I am going to a jewelry show this weekend and was curious what the price per carat is for pariaba tourmaline?? Thanks, Lisa

 

[widget]

Well, I don''t know if these prices are typical, but I found these at www.awesomegems.com for reference..

Not exactly giving them away, are they?

Obviously stones coming out of Brazil go for a premium.

Yummy, though!

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[MJO]

Date: 10/26/2005 8:44:53 PM
Author:kaleigh
I am going to a jewelry show this weekend and was curious what the price per carat is for pariaba tourmaline?? Thanks, Lisa

Depending on size, color, tone etc. Top Brazilian Paraiba 3ct vivid neon windex blue stones wholesale for about $20,000/ct, 2cts for $15,000 - $20,000.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[Kaleigh]

Thanks so much widget and MJO. Way out of my league, darn it all!!!

 

[Richard M.]

Date: 10/26/2005 8:44:53 PM
Author:kaleigh
I am going to a jewelry show this weekend and was curious what the price per carat is for pariaba tourmaline?? Thanks, Lisa

What size? What color? What clarity? What source: Brazil or Nigeria? I''m not trying to be difficult. All these factors and more go into the pricing of Paraiba and nearly every other colored gem.

Paraiba is expensive. There are many suppliers and you should do a careful job of comparison-shopping. Check the source posted by Widget and do some careful shopping. General information about Paraiba is shown here: PARAIBA,

Frankly, a lot of the stones being sold as "Paraiba" these days to me look very much like non-copper-bearing blue-green elbaite from Namibia and a few other locations which sells at much lower prices. Why pay the price premium for similar-appearing gems? The gorgeous neon blue Paraibas from the "old days" bring astronomical prices.

Richard M.

 

[Kaleigh]

Thanks very much for the info Richard. I saw some posted here a while back and thought how pretty the color was, but clearly I know now that I cannot afford it. I have always wanted a pretty green stone and now my consider chrome diopside as an alternative. Totally different color I know. I''ll just go to the show and have a look see.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 10/26/2005 10:07:35 PM
Author: kaleigh

I have always wanted a pretty green stone ...

Wait a minute, these are turquoise color. Other Paraiba shades exist.. etc. but the most famous ones are not the green as far as I know.

Green tourmaline doesn't get that expensive and some are downright breathtaking anyway.

I liked how ATTG presented their tourmalines on this page. I don't know this Nigerian copper-bearing tourmaline, but those bright blue-green and green ones from Pakistan were pretty darn memorable. Even uncut the colors are stryking. Hopefully there will be a couple for you to see.

Have fun at the fair!

 

[MJO]

Ana,

You are correct. The green Paraiba stones are $1,000-$2000/ct for nice 1 - 2 ct stones.

Maurice

 

[Matata]

Date: 10/26/2005 10:07:35 PM
Author: kaleigh
Thanks very much for the info Richard. I saw some posted here a while back and thought how pretty the color was, but clearly I know now that I cannot afford it.

I feel your pain kaleigh. I was considering using paraiba in my wedding ring after I saw this pic posted on pala''s site in the educatin section. The one on the left took my breath away and I thought such a color would be extraordinary set in platinum w/diamonds.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/27/2005 11:27:58 AM
Author: Matata

Date: 10/26/2005 10:07:35 PM
Author: kaleigh
Thanks very much for the info Richard. I saw some posted here a while back and thought how pretty the color was, but clearly I know now that I cannot afford it.

I feel your pain kaleigh. I was considering using paraiba in my wedding ring after I saw this pic posted on pala''s site in the educatin section. The one on the left took my breath away and I thought such a color would be extraordinary set in platinum w/diamonds.

Hello Matata,

I have one small 1/2 ct stone that color I paid $5,000 for. I know it was alot but I wanted it. I were it everyday in a pendent with a 1 1/2ct blue green Paraiba set in a pendent.

Just to let you know this is a ling to a GREEN true Paraiba. It''s a 1ct stone for $500.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brazillian-Green-Paraiba-Tourmaline-1-02-cts-Oval_W0QQitemZ4995930063QQcategoryZ10282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Maurice

 

[Matata]

Date: 10/27/2005 11:56:38 AM
Author: MJO
Hello Matata,

I have one small 1/2 ct stone that color I paid $5,000 for. I know it was alot but I wanted it. I were it everyday in a pendent with a 1 1/2ct blue green Paraiba set in a pendent.

Maurice

You have broken the Sparklie Addicts Code of Ethics by referencing a fabulous piece of jewelry without posting pics. You must redeem yourself.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/27/2005 12:05:38 PM
Author: Matata

Date: 10/27/2005 11:56:38 AM
Author: MJO
Hello Matata,

I have one small 1/2 ct stone that color I paid $5,000 for. I know it was alot but I wanted it. I were it everyday in a pendent with a 1 1/2ct blue green Paraiba set in a pendent.

Maurice

You have broken the Sparklie Addicts Code of Ethics by referencing a fabulous piece of jewelry without posting pics. You must redeem yourself.

Sorry Matata,

I will have to take a picture. I never take this peice off and my camera stinks but I will try tonight.

Maurice

 

[Kaleigh]

Oh Matata, that stone in that pic is to die for. Well I''ll have one in my next life I guess. Yummy color.

 

[aqua]

i went to a gem show in sept and one of the vendors who claim to have bought out most of the nigerian mined paraiba was asking for about $6000/ ct. her paraiba looked like aquamarine on fire, virtually no green. i found her site just when the show was closing so didn''t have time to ask more questions or inspect them further.

but they were lovely.

 

[Gemklctr]

I priced Pariba at the last 2 gem shows in the DC area. It was $1600/ct-$3000/ct in the wholesale section and $3000/ct and up in the retail section. Hubert Designs had the best selection. They claimed they had both Nigerian and Brazilian.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/28/2005 8:54:15 AM
Author: GemKlctr
I priced Pariba at the last 2 gem shows in the DC area. It was $1600/ct-$3000/ct in the wholesale section and $3000/ct and up in the retail section. Hubert Designs had the best selection. They claimed they had both Nigerian and Brazilian.

Those are the prices for Nigerian stones up to 4cts and lower end color and clarity Paraiba Brazilian stones not the Eye Clean Neon Blue or Green Blue stones of 1ct or more as shown in Matata''s picture.

Maurice

 

[Gemklctr]

Date: 10/28/2005 10:31:33 AM
Author: MJO

Date: 10/28/2005 8:54:15 AM
Author: GemKlctr
I priced Pariba at the last 2 gem shows in the DC area. It was $1600/ct-$3000/ct in the wholesale section and $3000/ct and up in the retail section. Hubert Designs had the best selection. They claimed they had both Nigerian and Brazilian.

Those are the prices for Nigerian stones up to 4cts and lower end color and clarity Paraiba Brazilian stones not the Eye Clean Neon Blue or Green Blue stones of 1ct or more as shown in Matata''s picture.

Maurice

Maurice,
That''s right, but they were attractive. The lower priced (under $3000/ct) stones in wholesale included an eye clean oval, very bright teal blue and weighing approx. 2.0cts. It was extremely tempting but not in my budget at that time. I was told it was from older Nigerian stock, and newer stones held by the same dealer that were not as bright were in the above-$3000 range. The$3-4000/ct stones in retail were significantly paler, but also clean. I was also tempted by a matched pair of ovals that totalled over 3 cts at $4000/ct from Hubert. All three of these stones were Nigerian and had more green in them than Matata''s photo - they were more teal blue - but they were clean and comparably bright.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/28/2005 12:22:58 PM
Author: GemKlctr

Date: 10/28/2005 10:31:33 AM
Author: MJO

Date: 10/28/2005 8:54:15 AM
Author: GemKlctr
I priced Pariba at the last 2 gem shows in the DC area. It was $1600/ct-$3000/ct in the wholesale section and $3000/ct and up in the retail section. Hubert Designs had the best selection. They claimed they had both Nigerian and Brazilian.

Those are the prices for Nigerian stones up to 4cts and lower end color and clarity Paraiba Brazilian stones not the Eye Clean Neon Blue or Green Blue stones of 1ct or more as shown in Matata''s picture.

Maurice

Maurice,
That''s right, but they were attractive. The lower priced (under $3000/ct) stones in wholesale included an eye clean oval, very bright teal blue and weighing approx. 2.0cts. It was extremely tempting but not in my budget at that time. I was told it was from older Nigerian stock, and newer stones held by the same dealer that were not as bright were in the above-$3000 range. The$3-4000/ct stones in retail were significantly paler, but also clean. I was also tempted by a matched pair of ovals that totalled over 3 cts at $4000/ct from Hubert. All three of these stones were Nigerian and had more green in them than Matata''s photo - they were more teal blue - but they were clean and comparably bright.

What do you think of these for $6,000/ct. They are Brazilian Paraiba''s. I have dealt with this seller often. I told him he should raise the price. According the the latest issue of the guide 2ct-3ct extra fine real Paraiba''s are $15,000 - $20,000/ct wholesale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Neon-Windex-color-True-Brazil-Paraiba-Tourmaline-GLI_W0QQitemZ5033381626QQcategoryZ10282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Maurice

 

[Gemklctr]

What do you think of these for $6,000/ct. They are Brazilian Paraiba''s. I have dealt with this seller often. I told him he should raise the price. According the the latest issue of the guide 2ct-3ct extra fine real Paraiba''s are $15,000 - $20,000/ct wholesale.

Very nice. I think you''re right about the price being a bargain. I''m surprised that such fine rare stones would be on eBay.

 

[Kaleigh]

I got back from the gem show and there was no Paraiba tourmaline in sight. Oh well couldn''t afford it anyways.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 10/28/2005 4:40:26 PM
Author: GemKlctr

Very nice. I think you''re right about the price being a bargain. I''m surprised that such fine rare stones would be on eBay.

... if they look like the picture.

Anyway, there are plenty of suprising things on Ebay. For some reason all sorts of sellers feel obliged to keep an address there and it is darn hard to tell who''s who.

Someone from Gem Line used to post here for a while.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/28/2005 4:40:26 PM
Author: GemKlctr
What do you think of these for $6,000/ct. They are Brazilian Paraiba''s. I have dealt with this seller often. I told him he should raise the price. According the the latest issue of the guide 2ct-3ct extra fine real Paraiba''s are $15,000 - $20,000/ct wholesale.

Very nice. I think you''re right about the price being a bargain. I''m surprised that such fine rare stones would be on eBay.

There are 3 great sellers I know and deal with personally on ebay that are TOP notch. They are honest in there descriptions and emails and take back anything you don''t like. Michael from Gemline is one, Judi611 is another and the third is paraibainternational.

Ana, They are that color I''ve seen them. The reason people keep a store on ebay is simple. It''s the largest advertising sight with cheap advertising costs. If you contact the seller and he has another sight he sells from he can direct you there for later purchases. From what I understand if you have an ebay store it is only 3 cents a month to post the item. If it sells there are much more charges but then you also made more money. Also auction items cost more to list. The thing I don''t like about an ebay store is unless you ask to look in the stores the only search that comes back are the auctions.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[elmo]

Date: 10/28/2005 4:51:31 PM
Author: valeria101
... if they look like the picture.

Val, I''d have the same question about someone who advertises "HUGE! Top Color Gem Grade Ruby! 5.40 ct! GLI" - with "buy it now price: US $1475.00". Kind of hard for me to take that seriously.

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/29/2005 8:10:53 AM
Author: elmo

Date: 10/28/2005 4:51:31 PM
Author: valeria101
... if they look like the picture.

Val, I''d have the same question about someone who advertises ''HUGE! Top Color Gem Grade Ruby! 5.40 ct! GLI'' - with ''buy it now price: US $1475.00''. Kind of hard for me to take that seriously.

Hi Elmo,

Rubies are cheap unless you find a clean one. That title says top color which after heating it''s red. It''s not from a pedigree source and isn''t cut perfecty and gem grade is anything that isn''t falling apart. This stone has many eye visible inclusions and is stated as that, so the price is reasonable. As long as the seller has a long history (been selling for a few years) and a good feedback (this one is 100%) I have no problems buying from them if there return policy says 100% cash return and no restocking fee. The restocking fee is where some sellers get you. They charge 10-15%. Even if the stone is not what you wanted they make the extra and then get back there final sales charge from ebay. This is not an ethical way of doing business IMO. However some Thai Dealers do this because Thailand charges an import duty on stones even returns. Some dealers get around this somehow but not all.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[elmo]

Date: 10/29/2005 9:51:11 AM
Author: MJO
Rubies are cheap unless you find a clean one.

Unless the seller changed it he listed clarity as SI. GIA type II SI is a perfectly acceptable clarity for fine ruby. For "top color gem grade ruby" over 5 carats shouldn't the price have three more zeros?

Let's put it another way. What if an ebay seller was advertising an SI clarity "top color gem grade" five carat diamond for $1500. Would Pricescopers consider that seriously?

 

[MJO]

Date: 10/29/2005 10:55:24 AM
Author: elmo

Date: 10/29/2005 9:51:11 AM
Author: MJO
Rubies are cheap unless you find a clean one.

Unless the seller changed it he listed clarity as SI. GIA type II SI is a perfectly acceptable clarity for fine ruby. For ''top color gem grade ruby'' over 5 carats shouldn''t the price have three more zeros?

Let''s put it another way. What if an ebay seller was advertising an SI clarity ''top color gem grade'' five carat diamond for $1500. Would Pricescopers consider that seriously?

Elmo,

I would concider this stone a MI by the picture. I''ll never turn down a stone I think might be good to look at as long as I can get my money back. I bought a Sightly included 2 1/2ct perfect violet blue paraiba in an 18ct gold ring for $400 3 years ago. A 1.5ct unheated pad sapphire for $600 a bunch of eye clean 1+ct tsavorites for $50-$100/ct an almost 5ct VVS1 tsavorite for $400/ct. There are bargins out there. All you have to do is look and deal with someone you know is honest.

I don''t kow about your average Pricescoper but I think the hunt is the most fun.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[ferre]

hi all,

i''m new here and i came to ask a few question one of which is being pondered in this very thread

i''ve all but set my heart on getting a paraiba tourmaline for my girlfriends engagement ring ( i know she didn''t want a diamond and she really wanted me to choose for her PLUS she trusts my taste)

the ring design i have only allows for something around 0.5ct or around 4mm.

my problem is i am from Australia and i have been told there is nothing like that here for sale. i have been looking on line and so far i have only got one good lead, BUT the stone isn''t as clean as i would have hoped. i to went to paraiba internationals ebay store and looked at their beautiful stones ( if only they were the right size i''d be set)

so here are my questions

what should i expect to pay for a good quality windex blue stone of about 0.5ct?
what are my chances of finding one online?

what are your opinions on this stone its not exactly what i''m after but i do like the hint of green making it a bi colour

anyway thanks all for your help and opinions

ferre

 

[MJO]

Hi Ferre,

I am not wild about the stone with the stain so prominent in it. I have seen stones like this going for $100 - $200/ct for subcarat to 2cts. I would try emailing paraibainternational and asking him if he has any small clean stones. I also remember Judi611 had a .45ct stone for $800.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[MJO]

Hi Ferre,

Found it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PARAIBA-BRAZILIAN-TOURMALINE-45CTOVAL-SHAPE_W0QQitemZ5029256315QQcategoryZ10282QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Maurice

 

[ferre]

thanks maurice,

thanks for your honesty about the pic, when i first saw this stone i thought ohh thats interesting but not really of the standard i'm after, but i think i was beginning to convince myself so i needed an honest opinion.

i had contacted paraiba international but they did not have anything at the moment.

thanks for suggesting the stone Judi611 has i actually just found that very stone on ebay after reading one of your other posts and realising i wasn't searching ebay stores DOH. so i have since contacted Judi611 to see if i could get a few more pics.

i have a new dilemma now though, after showing a few people the type of stone i was thinking of they have all said ohh a blue topaz thats different.

hmm now i have never seen a paraiba tourmaline in real life, so could someone tell me will most people who see this stone think it is a topaz or is the neon colour of a paraiba extremely different?

thanks