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@Arcadian You are a brave girl! Calories don’t count today! I hope you had a good meal!
 
TooPatient said:
Day 178 of DH being sick.

He managed 4 hours per day at work (from home office) week before last then 5 hours per day last week. Been a stretch, but managing tolerably well. He started walking on the treadmill 5 minutes per day a few days ago and that was a helping some. This morning, he went down to walk his 5 minutes while I was cooking breakfast and came back up much sooner than expected. His oxygen dropped from 94 to 92 to 88 and all the way to 77. He initially thought it was wrong, but stopped the treadmill anyway. Good thing he did because he got very light-headed and nearly fell.
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Oh, no.......I'm so sorry that he is still struggling so. He's not alone, though - there are way too many cases of this. My sympathies to Chris as well, @MamaBee.
 
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@Arcadian, thank you so much for what you're doing. =) I'm glad you treated yourself to something truly yummy.
 
@TooPatient , This has been such a long road for your husband. I hope he recovers soon. Sending you both dust and good wishes.

@MamaBee, Oh no to Chris falling. How is he is feeling today? Hopefully he will get this strength back soon and not have any long lasting effects. Please try to find some time to relax a bit in Maryland. Enjoy that beautiful garden. Has David been doing well?
 
Calliecake said:
@TooPatient , This has been such a long road for your husband. I hope he recovers soon. Sending you both dust and good wishes.

@MamaBee, Oh no to Chris falling. How is he is feeling today? Hopefully he will get this strength back soon and not have any long lasting effects. Please try to find some time to relax a bit in Maryland. Enjoy that beautiful garden. Has David been doing well?
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Thanks @Calliecake I just decided to call him. I know he’s having trouble sleeping so I didn’t want to wake him up. He turned off his phone so he must be sleeping.

David is living his dream..lol He doesn’t like to work. He’s a happy camper because I’m not sending him back until there’s a vaccine. He isn’t great about washing his hands without me nagging him. He also couldn’t tolerate a mask all day.

My garden is wild here. I have to take a pic. I love Zinnias..They’re annuals but for whatever reason they are perennials here. The seeds fly everywhere and germinate in the funniest spots. I have quite a few growing in the cracks of the old brick sidewalk in front of the house. Haha
 
@MamaBee , I’m glad David is happy and doing well. There is nothing better than living your dream! Zinnias are so pretty. Your garden sounds beautiful.
 
@MamaBee-

I am so sorry to read about Chris' fall. It sounded really traumatic...for you if not for Chris. I am praying for him and for TooPatient's husband. This lingering malaise after the painful disease is terrible.

Hugs,
Deb
 
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Some of my basic observations the evening and 1 day after the 1st shot;
  • I did have headache, it was minor, never had to take anything for it. It was NOT migraine at all, just the basic plain jane headache.
  • some asthmatic issues. chest felt weirdly heavy. I did have to use inhaler one day. was fine the next day.
  • Injection site pain. It was minor but there. I get it with the flu shot so I wasn't surprised.
  • Strangest of all is I felt deeply itchy. Hard to explain but this was a way under the skin type of itchy... the evening of the shot and 24 hours after this was an issue. I have one strawberry hive pop up that didn't go away for 24 hours. No matter what I took it was hanging out. It was not distressing but an annoyance because it kept waking me up.
Today I feel normal. No heavy chest, no hives or itchies, no headache.

I never got a fever.

I probably got the placebo....lol
 
Arcadian said:
For those who might have interest in the study
www.modernatx.com

Find a Trial / Results

Moderna Clinical Trials are Published, Filter Results
www.modernatx.com www.modernatx.com
some areas still looking for participants but you might want to follow for the curiosity of it.


Some of my basic observations the evening and 1 day after the 1st shot;
  • I did have headache, it was minor, never had to take anything for it. It was NOT migraine at all, just the basic plain jane headache.
  • some asthmatic issues. chest felt weirdly heavy. I did have to use inhaler one day. was fine the next day.
  • Injection site pain. It was minor but there. I get it with the flu shot so I wasn't surprised.
  • Strangest of all is I felt deeply itchy. Hard to explain but this was a way under the skin type of itchy... the evening of the shot and 24 hours after this was an issue. I have one strawberry hive pop up that didn't go away for 24 hours. No matter what I took it was hanging out. It was not distressing but an annoyance because it kept waking me up.
Today I feel normal. No heavy chest, no hives or itchies, no headache.

I never got a fever.

I probably got the placebo....lol
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It sounds like you got the placebo! Haha
Thank you for stepping up. I’m chicken.. :/
 
AGBF said:
Kudos to you for your bravery, Arcadian!
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I hate to call it brave. the poor folks that did it in the 2nd phase really sussed out the safety issues that could have happened. Third phase is more for finding weird reactions which is why they want people who aren't exactly super healthy

Black Americans get hit very hard with this thing, plus add in the fact that in most predominantly black urban areas, the hospitals are not exactly that great.

I'm taking one for the team, makes sense to have my unhealthy ass in the seat...lol

MamaBee said:
It sounds like you got the placebo! Haha
Thank you for stepping up. I’m chicken.. :/
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well I figure being in a high covid area, if I get it I could be done for. We have not yet left phase I and though the state is pushing hard my county to get to phase II, the numbers are still really bad.

But yeah really hoping I got the real deal but, placebo groups can ofttimes get the same symptoms as the ones that got the real thing.... :shock:

Not sure how good a man-made antibody is versus a home grown one but will be interesting to see if there's any difference.
 
Matata said:
1st US reinfection. 2nd infection caused by a mutated form of the virus

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Interesting - and seemingly unusual that he seems to have not had that much protection from his first infection:

Dr. Akiko Iwasaki, Waldemar Von Zedtwitz professor in the Department of Immunobiology at Yale University, wrote on Twitter that this patient's case was different from the Hong Kong patient because his prior infection didn't seem to help him fight off the virus.

Dr. Mark Pandori, director of the Nevada State Public Health Laboratory, says a 25-year-old man in the state has tested positive for COVID for a second time.

"This time, unlike the case in Hong Kong, the immune system did not protect this person from reinfection or disease," her tweet read.

However, scientists interviewed by ABC News say these isolated case reports can't be applied to the average person. It's still unclear if this 25-year-old man had any underlying conditions that might have put him at risk for more severe illness.
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That story links through to this one, which notes the first person had no symptoms with his second infection, which is seemingly more usual::

abcnews.go.com

1st documented COVID-19 reinfection isn't surprising, but may offer important clues about virus, experts say

The story of one Hong Kong man who was infected twice with COVID-19 is raising questions among scientists and doctors.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

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The second time around, however, the man felt fine. His temperature, breathing and blood pressure levels were all completely normal. He didn't feel sick, but he was. He may have been symptom-free, but COVID-19 was back in his system.

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Specialists interviewed by ABC News are urging the public not to panic, noting that reinfection was always a possibility, just like the common cold.

"There isn't anything alarming about this at all," said Dr. Dan Barouch, the director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. "It's an interesting and important case report. It answers the question [of] whether it's possible to get re-infected: The answer is yes."

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I think the further out you go in this pandemic, you're going to see more and more of this," said Dr. Paul Goepfert, a professor of medicine at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, and an expert in vaccine design. "I don't think this is the end of the world. I think it's just an interesting phenomenon that should have been predicted from what we know about coronavirus."

Specialists said reinfections like this are probably still rare, and one man's experience with COVID-19 is unlikely to be the average person's experience.

"If this were a common thing, we would have probably seen it more by now," said Dr. Charles Dela Cruz, an associate professor of medicine and of microbial pathogenesis at Yale School of Medicine. "We're eight months into this whole thing… this might suggest that you can have a reinfection, but it's possibly a rarer incident."

"There are always rare events and people with unusual responses to pathogens," agreed Dr. Richard Kuhn, the editor-in-chief of the journal Virology, and a distinguished professor in Science in the Purdue University Department of Biological Science.

There's some evidence that the man who became reinfected didn't mount a robust antibody response -- the biological army of tiny proteins that swarm bodies under attack from a viral invader. After 10 days of having COVID-19 the first time, a blood test revealed he did not have antibodies in his system. So, people who do see a strong antibody response may not have the same experience if exposed again.

Still, the specialists who study virology said the case study offers interesting clues about exactly what happens if you do become reinfected, suggesting that the first infection could offer a weakened form of protection, if not full immunity.
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"Notice that the man did not get sick on the second infection," said Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D., a Higgins professor of microbiology and immunology at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine at CUNY.

"It is exactly what was predicted would happen months ago, based on how the seasonal [coronaviruses] work," he said. "Immunity wanes after less than a year. [Possible] reinfections occur every year, but they are mild."

"I think the reassuring thing about this is that the second infection was really asymptomatic," agreed Dela Cruz."
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I am only worried because there is growing pressure for me to travel internationally. If I could stay put I would have no stress at all.
Last fall I made the trip and became the sickest I have ever been, with respiratory issues and it took almost six months to fully recover. Not interested in a repeat or worse.
I was supposed to be away for three months, it’s been five. My housesitters want their lives back, I am terrified to travel. It might be OK, then again it might not...and no way to tell. I am giving myself another month here to see if there are more concrete answers.

Some people suggest travelling now because things will get worse in the Fall.

Thanks for listening!
 
Jimmianne said:
I am only worried because there is growing pressure for me to travel internationally. If I could stay put I would have no stress at all.
Last fall I made the trip and became the sickest I have ever been, with respiratory issues and it took almost six months to fully recover. Not interested in a repeat or worse.
I was supposed to be away for three months, it’s been five. My housesitters want their lives back, I am terrified to travel. It might be OK, then again it might not...and no way to tell. I am giving myself another month here to see if there are more concrete answers.

Some people suggest travelling now because things will get worse in the Fall.

Thanks for listening!
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I thought you had moved to France permanently. Is this just part of business travel? (I like hearing about your life. It is far more interesting than mine!)

Deb :wavey:
 
Jimmianne said:
I am only worried because there is growing pressure for me to travel internationally. If I could stay put I would have no stress at all.
Last fall I made the trip and became the sickest I have ever been, with respiratory issues and it took almost six months to fully recover. Not interested in a repeat or worse.
I was supposed to be away for three months, it’s been five. My housesitters want their lives back, I am terrified to travel. It might be OK, then again it might not...and no way to tell. I am giving myself another month here to see if there are more concrete answers.

Some people suggest travelling now because things will get worse in the Fall.

Thanks for listening!
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I have no advice but to offer you well wishes and lots of virtual hugs. It's true that things will (most likely) get worse in the autumn. Whether that be early autumn or late I don't think anyone can say definitively. I wish we had a crystal ball. OK I said I had no advice to offer but my gut says come back before October if you can. I feel October might be a month where things start accelerating. This time will be different than last time you flew back because you will be wearing a mask on the plane. And so will the other passengers. So hopefully it will go smoothly and you will remain well. I am sorry you are dealing with this dilemma but am confident it will work out. (((Hugs))).
 
Do you guys think it will get worse in winter?

We've just been through winter and Victoria had a meltdown (pretty bad outbreak, stage 4 lockdown again) but all the other states did really well and NSW is chugging along cautiously.

I think the warm weather comes with it's own set of problems too. People want to go to the beach and entertain etc.
 
@Jimmianne IMHO I think the best time to go is now. I think it will get worse in October..into fall.... I don‘t want to frighten you but a virologist got it on a plane through his eyes so I would wear goggles...in addition to wearing your mask and gloves. People are flying and seem to be okay..They are more vigilant with disinfecting since your last flight...so you should be fine..
Can the sitters put your pets on a plane to you when the weather gets cooler? Is there anyone else that can just check on your house if the sitters can get them to you? Maybe they can continue to check on the house occasionally without having to care for your pets..This way you can stay in France and be with your children..
 
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From what I’ve read @Jimmianne, with all the precautions, better air filtration and cleaning protocol the airline’s are doing, it’s reasonably safe to travel at the moment. Passenger numbers on long haul are way down, so you may end up with nobody either side of you.

You‘re supposed to change your mask every 4 hours on the flight, and personally I’d wear a mask and full face visor. I’d also take disposable gloves and wipes to clean everything around me when I sit down.
 
My SIL who currently lives in VA but lived in D.C a couple of weeks ago casually mentioned yesterday on FaceTime that she was thinking of coming to CT to visit. VA is on the list of states for the travel advisory so that pretty much put the kibosh on that.

Then when DH got home he mentioned his sister and asked if I told her she couldn't come :roll2:

I think I'll throw some Bailey's in my coffee this morning :D
 
I am worried that I may not feel sufficiently comfortable to fly out to Canada via US next February to visit my folks without a vaccine.

DK :(2
 
dk168 said:
I am worried that I may not feel sufficiently comfortable to fly out to Canada via US next February to visit my folks without a vaccine.

DK :(2
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I would be worried too...A lot can happen by that time @dk168 We may have one by then..
 
We're not welcome to visit our family within Canada. We're just in different provinces, and 2 of them HAVE HAD covid and recovered. They don't want any of us to visit. Mostly it would just be my DH visiting his mom, but we were told no. It's very weird. I don't think any of them will come to our daughter's wedding next year either. I don't blame them, it's just really strange for all of us. :(
 
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