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I think I wrote this before I heard him talk about the people on the cruise ship. I am painfully aware of the fact that this is a numbers game to Trump.
Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
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I think I wrote this before I heard him talk about the people on the cruise ship. I am painfully aware of the fact that this is a numbers game to Trump.
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Cases in the UK are now at 273 (an increase of 64 just from yesterday)!
Out of a population of over 66 million @Phoenix.
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No, it's true. They do have less to worry about, just not nothing to worry about. And everyone has more to be concerned about than the flu. The overall mortality rate for seasonal flu is .1%, with that number breaking down in a normal pattern of most of those coming from the elderly and under 3s. This one has about a 3% overall mortality (from numbers reported) that has a breakdown by decade that shows .2% mortality rate for 30-39 (best estimate at this time, that I know of) . That's already twice as high a mortality rate for just one decade, than the overall rate for a seasonal flu.
For a lot of people, apparently, "less" risk has morphed in their minds into "none". Honestly, and this is going to sound awful, a few healthy young people without other conditions are going to have to die to be enough to shock some people awake. We are always looking for "other conditions", conditions that we desperately hope we can blame them for (in a sense) like smoking, Things that don't apply to US, that we can distance ourselves from mentally, because why else should we anxiously want to know, and why should it matter so much if she smoked? It shouldn't change how we view risks of the coronavirus itself and it certainly shouldn't change how one feels about the fact that a 36 year old woman is dead (for the purposes of this conversation, I sincerely hope not in real life, I hope they can pull her through) (I used smoking since it is judged quite harshly these days as NOT socially acceptable, and seems to have an increasing tinge of "immoral").
So I think we keep anxiously asking about pre-existing factors because we look for anything to explain it: oh she smoked? Sad, but understandable at least, right? If there's nothing like that, it makes us even more anxious to find that out and then have to face the uncomfortable fact that some seemingly very healthy people who get it, at ANY age, are going to die and we just won't know why.
People really don't like having to ponder just how random these things can be. And I say that as someone who has beaten a few medical odds that I really did NOT want to beat. I KNOW it can happen because I've done it in a spectacular way, more than once.
Oh, and I am on day 6 of the flu right now. And i DID have the shot. Just me beating odds. AGAIN.
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This is helpful for snow and other things too. Having some extra meds on hand is better than running out!
WA has required that all insurance companies allow people to pick up an extra refill without penalty this one time. Trying to help people get set up to not have to go out if they get sick...
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This is awesome. Bill and Melinda Gates do so much for our area!
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...SP_d6wdaFnkpK1QlQCk74RzUBPJyt_3gzTum0CzQibbOQ
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...SP_d6wdaFnkpK1QlQCk74RzUBPJyt_3gzTum0CzQibbOQ
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Same, finished antivirals but my lungs...snap crackle and pop!!! Get better friend.
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Thanks Arcadian! I'm not in bad shape as these things go, I just feel crappy and I just can't seem to knock the fever. Cough is reasonably bad still, and rattles, but breathing is easy and lungs seem quiet. Not much nasal involvement either, so I can actually breathe, which is nice. I'll live, but this is definitely getting OLD.
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@Arcadian and @ksinger -- Sending PS dust that your recoveries are uneventful. My hubs has been sick for a month and relapsed yesterday. Head cold moved to his chest.
On another note, we have 2 cases of covid-19 in my area. They are self-isolating and cooperating with health authorities; one is 55, the other 75; neither are seriously ill at this point.
On another note, we have 2 cases of covid-19 in my area. They are self-isolating and cooperating with health authorities; one is 55, the other 75; neither are seriously ill at this point.
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@ksinger I wonder if we had same flu type? I didn't get super sick sick but felt overall yucky. Probably had a day where I was just totally down because I needed to stay in bed.
I also have no issues with my nose, can smell everything, but I rinse daily too. The fever situation is what is a pain in the butt...mine has pretty much not been normal since day 2. Spiked to 101, but last 2 days has not been over 100 which is always a good. I'm also likely not contagious anymore.
Worse for me is that my lungs are on fire though my coughs are productive. Am taking albuterol 3 times a day because really am having some breathing issues, the high winds here is NOT helping!
@Matata much love and healing dust to your household!! If he's experiencing ANY issues, serious shortness of breath, can't catch his breath, please tell him not to hesitate and get seen. If your insurance allow a tele doctor or urgent care (I hope so!) that will be first line to getting something done for those of us not exposed to coronavirus but might still be at risk for flu or pneumonia because of other respiratory illness.
I'm reading now that many health insurance providers will cover the tests thankfully, and right now better to be overly cautious.
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This "strategy" is actually much (MUCH) worse than the Italian mismanagement.
They "just" failed to find patient zero and look what happened as opposed to places where they kept track of the infected patients and ways of infection (UK, Germany , France).
France (67 mio inhabitants) 1126 infected , 19 deceased
Germany (83 mio inhabitants ) 902 infected zero deceased
UK (66 mio) : 273 infected 2 deceased (that island thing is really handy sometimes)
Numbers in Germany and France rose basically due to contact with Italy.
Italy (67 mio inhabitants): around 7400 infected 366 deceased
US: number of infections unknown, 19 deceased
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I confess I did not go for testing. It's just that flu is widespread here, these symptoms are classic, and I did not want to risk either being exposed to something new, or giving what is probably the flu, to someone else. I did consider it more than once even so. Unless I need a doc, I suspect they'd rather not have to sigh and say there's not much they can do, go home, take it easy, etc. Besides, I think most docs have bigger problems that your garden variety flu at the moment.
You're right though, our symptoms do sound mostly identical.
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I believe that both of you said you had had the 'flu shot this season. I wonder if what makes your 'flus the same "type" is that both had the edge taken off them by those vaccinations. I'm not a medical person. It was just a thought.
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It is worrisome bc of panic ; local stores out of wipes and masks. Glad to have bar soap! Trying to pick up a little extra food in case we get sick and want to isolate. Dh was asked about exposure at latest med appt, my opthamalogist not shaking hands.
I'm going to start using the Vulcan greeting. And enjoy my lovely, colorful rings. We can use all the sparkle we are fortunate to have!
Wash your hands and wishing us safe travel in days ahead.
I'm going to start using the Vulcan greeting. And enjoy my lovely, colorful rings. We can use all the sparkle we are fortunate to have!
Wash your hands and wishing us safe travel in days ahead.
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I believe that both of you said you had had the 'flu shot this season. I wonder if what makes your 'flus the same "type" is that both had the edge taken off them by those vaccinations. I'm not a medical person. It was just a thought.
Deb
this is a really good blog that actually helped me understand more than I did before about the types http://www.virology.ws/2009/09/22/the-a-b-and-c-of-influenza-virus/
From some additional reading, Flu Type C is more like rhinovirus (the cold) and can be mistaken for it. Flu tests only can rule out the flu but of course these days you have a host of other things that can mimic it.
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Governor Cuomo of New York is blaming the CDC for refusing to let State and private labs test for the Coronavirus during this period when they have inadequate testing ability. He said that it is urgent that the source of New York's Coronavirus cases be traced down.
"Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo criticized the federal government on Sunday for delays in allowing private laboratories in New York State to test for the coronavirus.
At a news conference, Mr. Cuomo also announced 16 new confirmed cases of the virus, bringing the total number in New York State to 106. But he said that the state would not know the full extent of the spread until it could do more testing.
'I would get nervous if the number didn’t go up,' he said. He added: 'The more tests we run, the better.' In his most pointed criticism to date, Mr. Cuomo said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been slow in responding to the epidemic and then too slow in allowing states to do more testing.
Mr. Cuomo, speaking at the Northwell Health Labs at the Center for Advanced Medicine, a private laboratory in North New Hyde Park, on Long Island, said seven labs in the state could begin testing immediately for the coronavirus if given federal approval.
'The C.D.C. has not authorized the use of this lab, which is just outrageous and ludicrous,' he said of Northwell. 'C.D.C., wake up, let the states test, let private labs test, let’s increase as quickly as possible our testing capacity so we can identify the positive people. Not to be using this laboratory, not to be using the other private labs around the state makes no sense whatsoever.'
When asked why the labs had not gotten approval, Mr. Cuomo said, 'I think it’s bureaucracy.'"
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"Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo criticized the federal government on Sunday for delays in allowing private laboratories in New York State to test for the coronavirus.
At a news conference, Mr. Cuomo also announced 16 new confirmed cases of the virus, bringing the total number in New York State to 106. But he said that the state would not know the full extent of the spread until it could do more testing.
'I would get nervous if the number didn’t go up,' he said. He added: 'The more tests we run, the better.' In his most pointed criticism to date, Mr. Cuomo said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been slow in responding to the epidemic and then too slow in allowing states to do more testing.
Mr. Cuomo, speaking at the Northwell Health Labs at the Center for Advanced Medicine, a private laboratory in North New Hyde Park, on Long Island, said seven labs in the state could begin testing immediately for the coronavirus if given federal approval.
'The C.D.C. has not authorized the use of this lab, which is just outrageous and ludicrous,' he said of Northwell. 'C.D.C., wake up, let the states test, let private labs test, let’s increase as quickly as possible our testing capacity so we can identify the positive people. Not to be using this laboratory, not to be using the other private labs around the state makes no sense whatsoever.'
When asked why the labs had not gotten approval, Mr. Cuomo said, 'I think it’s bureaucracy.'"
Cuomo Attacks C.D.C. Over Delays in Coronavirus Testing (Published 2020)
Scarsdale shuts its public schools until March 18 after a faculty member tests positive, and Columbia University shuts classes for two days.
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Palm Beach County said Sunday a Pennsylvania person who attended a Palm Beach County Convention Center event Feb. 28 tested positive for the coronavirus.
this is like...YIKES.....
So far no one else in Palm Beach County has been affected however.... I do wonder how many airports this guy went through (if he had a connecting flight for instance)
Coronavirus: PBC says man who attended convention center tested positive
A Pennsylvania person who attended a Palm Beach County convention in February has been diagnosed with coronavirus ,...
www.palmbeachpost.com
this is like...YIKES.....
So far no one else in Palm Beach County has been affected however.... I do wonder how many airports this guy went through (if he had a connecting flight for instance)
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I'm not TOO worried, it's more like a concern in the back of my mind. I don't travel, and I don't know anyone who does, and I walk to work, where I work with a small-ish group of people. I'm pretty introverted so I spend a lot of my spare time at home enjoying reading, painting, and other introvert-type activities. So I don't feel that my chances of exposure are too high, although we can't be too complacent. I wash my hands thoroughly, a lot, and I avoid crowds - which I usually do, anyway.
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People are being nasty to each other. Those who think it isn't a big deal and is "just" affecting really old and sick people who think everyone else should carry on like nothing is happening are being disgusting to anyone who suggests schools should be looking at how to manage online if it comes to that (which many are starting to do) or that restaurants should look at considering delivery to doorsteps to keep some income coming in rather than going out of business. I mean, REALLY ugly like bullying people who say they are more comfortable eating at home rather than a crowded restaurant. A dozen people jumped all over a post by our deputy mayor accusing her of bragging and not really standing with our community because her kids are in a private school that chose to close for a couple of weeks. Someone actually called her a fear monger. It went downhill from there!
I will say that it is also bringing out the good in the community too. There have been general offers to grab stuff at the store or whatever is needed for those home sick. People are also offering directly to individuals (including me) who are sick in the community. One woman offered to drop off a few rolls of TP to a family that is self quarantining after possible exposure.
I will say that it is also bringing out the good in the community too. There have been general offers to grab stuff at the store or whatever is needed for those home sick. People are also offering directly to individuals (including me) who are sick in the community. One woman offered to drop off a few rolls of TP to a family that is self quarantining after possible exposure.
I was interested to read in my hometown paper that one of the two cases in North Carolina is in my small community. A man who traveled to Italy in February and flew back to the United States was just tested positive.
Edit...it seems bizarre that one of the only two cases in the whole state is near me.
I mean, would be if I were there.
Edit...it seems bizarre that one of the only two cases in the whole state is near me.
I mean, would be if I were there.
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Crises bring out the best and worst in people. I remember how during 9/11 everyone in NYC (and all over the country and world) was/were amazing. For a few months at least. It was heartening and hopeful.
However, right now, we are seeing more of the worst in some people and that is what scares me more than the Coronavirus. Yes there are people who are behaving well and continuing to be kind and generous and that brings light during a somewhat dark time. But it is those people who are behaving like wild animals that make this dark time darker. Ugly is an appropriate word @TooPatient. Ugly indeed.
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Schools are closing in my neck of the woods. A couple because either a teacher, parent or student has tested Coronavirus positive and a few more for disinfecting.
My district didn’t use our allotted snow days yet, I now believe we will use them all and more.
Stay healthy everyone!
ETA we were writing at the same time @missy The NYC transit situation could be crippling indeed. Nervous for DD...
My district didn’t use our allotted snow days yet, I now believe we will use them all and more.
Stay healthy everyone!
ETA we were writing at the same time @missy The NYC transit situation could be crippling indeed. Nervous for DD...
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Schools are closing in my neck of the woods. A couple because a parent or student tested Coronavirus positive and a few more for disinfecting.
My district didn’t use our allotted snow days yet, I now believe we will use them all and more.
Stay healthy everyone!
ETA we were writing at the same time @missy The NYC transit situation could be crippling indeed. Nervous for DD...
I know I am preaching to the choir writing here and we (PSers) are not the problem. If only every would remain calm we can make a challenging situation manageable. But when people let their panic overtake rational and calm behavior a concerning situation becomes much more dangerous.
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Unfortunately my partner is going to a big hockey game in Tampa next week. Pleading with him to merely watch it on tv instead has proven fruitless.
My husband is driving..TG...to a business thing in Ohio..There‘s nothing there yet but it’s going to be a large gathering of professionals from all over the country..sigh...
My son flew today to Arizona...I nagged him about wiping everything down with Lysol wipes....but going through the airport is bad too..
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I definitely think that most cases at this point are community spread. There's been mention up thread that its probably been going around even since before December. That much might be true, and cases that might have been attributed to flu (without tests I'm thinking) flew under the radar.
I'm paying close attention to what the CDC is saying...sometimes not saying. As of today CDC is telling people who are High Risk to prepare https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
I'm paying close attention to what the CDC is saying...sometimes not saying. As of today CDC is telling people who are High Risk to prepare https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
I think we'd be fine at our house if my DH didn't travel every week. It's not optional for him. So LA and DC last week. FL next week.
I'm getting a haircut tomorrow, then I guess I have to just hunker down and stay at home. Although that likely won't help if DH brings it back anyway. I'm high risk.
I'm getting a haircut tomorrow, then I guess I have to just hunker down and stay at home. Although that likely won't help if DH brings it back anyway. I'm high risk.
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@lyra because you are high risk maybe consider self quarantining from your DH when he returns from his trips? I read a blog (maybe posted here?) about a doctor who is at high risk and her DH just came back from traveling and he moved to the guest bedroom for a 2 weeks and they used separate bathrooms and used the kitchen at separate times and disinfected everything after using and she is keeping safe that way...at least maybe an option to consider while Coronavirus is on the rise?
I believe maintaining a distance of 6 feet is helpful. I know it isn't ideal but it might prevent you from getting sick and is only temporary. Stay well Lyra and sending good thoughts your way.
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