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Are you worried about the Coronavirus?

Im spring cleaning (Autumn cleaning) before the winter as the season has changed and there is a chill in the air.
I have dreadful hay fevour and a bit of asthma
ive had a runny sneezy nose my entire life and an asthmatic cough the last 30 years
i don't fancy going out and being treated like i have the plague
 
Seattle area

Two additional facilities have a resident with positive tests for the virus. One is a nursing and rehab facility. The other is assisted living and nursing home. (One in Seattle and one in Issaquah.)
 
Oh my, 326 confirmed cases nation wide according to the John Hopkins web site...the news just isn't getting any better. @TooPatient, which network do you think provides better news in the Seattle area, KOMO or KIRO? Praying for everyone.
 
sarahb said:
Oh my, 326 confirmed cases nation wide according to the John Hopkins web site...the news just isn't getting any better. @TooPatient, which network do you think provides better news in the Seattle area, KOMO or KIRO? Praying for everyone.
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It really depends on the day. KOMO has had stuff that KING and KIRO didn't cover. KIRO covered the care facility mess a day sooner than the rest. KING had the best breakdown of school closings (and why each was closed) early on. I keep an eye on all three in hopes of getting a bit more information on what is happening.

Getting information is difficult. I also see links to other sources and announcements by school districts, employers, and churches by following several FB groups. (This is why a lot of people are afraid. No information!)
 
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Thanks TooPatient, had forgotten about KING, I'll check it out also....hang in there.
 
2 have died in FL. They were among first cases. 2 new cases in Broward county. 12 total
 
For anyone concerned about flying, this, from NPR:

Since the virus is already out there, should I avoid plane travel just to be safe? After all, when you fly aren't you breathing in recycled air?

"The air's actually pretty clean. It gets recirculated through these HEPA filtersthat really are very good at clearing stuff out," says Vicki Hertzberg, a biostatistician at Emory University, who co-led a study on flights and disease transmission with scientists at Boeing. "So in some aspects, the air on a plane is cleaner than what's going on in your new office buildings."

Moreover, Dr. Mark Gendreau, chief medical officer at Beverly Hospital in Massachusetts, says that airlines have a high incentive to keep their ventilation systems well-maintained: "If the HEPA filter is not changed regularly, if the system is not maintained well, it puts a lot of drag on the engines, which will increase the fuel consumption, which is quite an expensive proposition."
 
Jimmianne said:
For anyone concerned about flying, this, from NPR:

Since the virus is already out there, should I avoid plane travel just to be safe? After all, when you fly aren't you breathing in recycled air?

"The air's actually pretty clean. It gets recirculated through these HEPA filtersthat really are very good at clearing stuff out," says Vicki Hertzberg, a biostatistician at Emory University, who co-led a study on flights and disease transmission with scientists at Boeing. "So in some aspects, the air on a plane is cleaner than what's going on in your new office buildings."

Moreover, Dr. Mark Gendreau, chief medical officer at Beverly Hospital in Massachusetts, says that airlines have a high incentive to keep their ventilation systems well-maintained: "If the HEPA filter is not changed regularly, if the system is not maintained well, it puts a lot of drag on the engines, which will increase the fuel consumption, which is quite an expensive proposition."
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@Jimmianne I told my husband yesterday that the airport is probably more dangerous than the plane....I would be afraid of the crowds of people spreading germs everywhere.
 
CNN keeps discussing the fact that there are many other cases of Coronavirus. Lack of test kits are keeping the numbers down. They wonder if Trump has done this on purpose for political reasons.

When we get the test kits we need next week, the numbers will explode
 
Well I am grateful for one thing, the NYCDOE has now told us that all employees who are told to stay in quarantine, are waiting for testing, or have tested positive will be out on paid leave until they are cleared to return. This will help at least with the public schools.
 
I am a little afraid. My son is flying to LA and I just hope he’s not exposed going through LAX. My daughter is at home, 19 with MS, and my husband being 59 is more at risk. My son is not worried and is taking his trip anyway in spite of me having tried to talk him out of it. He agreed to wear gloves through the airport, disinfect his phone, carry on only, etc.
 
NJ school districts have been directed to create a plan for remote instruction, should they have to close. Where I work told teachers on Thursday, I'm not sure when exactly they will have to have it written and submitted to the state. The district where I live has announce that the schools will be closed to students on Monday so that staff can put together it's plan.

I will be interested in seeing how they plan to make it work, especially for the youngest students and those with special needs (that's my area as an instructional/special ed aide) Of course, I hope we won't need to utilize the plan.
 
Jimmianne said:
For anyone concerned about flying, this, from NPR:

Since the virus is already out there, should I avoid plane travel just to be safe? After all, when you fly aren't you breathing in recycled air?

"The air's actually pretty clean. It gets recirculated through these HEPA filtersthat really are very good at clearing stuff out," says Vicki Hertzberg, a biostatistician at Emory University, who co-led a study on flights and disease transmission with scientists at Boeing. "So in some aspects, the air on a plane is cleaner than what's going on in your new office buildings."

Moreover, Dr. Mark Gendreau, chief medical officer at Beverly Hospital in Massachusetts, says that airlines have a high incentive to keep their ventilation systems well-maintained: "If the HEPA filter is not changed regularly, if the system is not maintained well, it puts a lot of drag on the engines, which will increase the fuel consumption, which is quite an expensive proposition."
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their HEPA system is the least of the issues. when you have people that pee in seats, rub they nasty buggers on seats, blow their nose and stash their snot rags in seat backs, cough without covering mouths and lord knows what else in the bathrooms, its an issue. Plus how many people do you know will fly sick and not think of it because of FOMO or whatever they deem to be of most importance...Its not the air system many worry about, its mostly about now nasty people are.

I won't talk about people that walk around planes without their shoes on, thats not for this post...lol
 
@Jimmianne - I was going to say the same thing planes are usually fairly filthy, it's not just the recycled air..... people in Australia have been warned if you sit within two rows of someone with Corona you have a decent chance of contracting it on a plane.
 
I am concerned about public restrooms.
For my job, I am on the road all day long, visiting 4-6 retail establishments each day. I must use a public restroom room probably 3 times daily.
I try really hard not to touch any surfaces while I am in there, but it's so hard.
It's stressing me out.
 
stracci2000 said:
I am concerned about public restrooms.
For my job, I am on the road all day long, visiting 4-6 retail establishments each day. I must use a public restroom room probably 3 times daily.
I try really hard not to touch any surfaces while I am in there, but it's so hard.
It's stressing me out.
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is it possible for you to get disposable gloves? I think CVS nearest me is totally out but most places around here that carry them still have them.
 
Arcadian said:
is it possible for you to get disposable gloves? I think CVS nearest me is totally out but most places around here that carry them still have them.
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I have been wearing gloves! But wearing gloves to pee and wash in a public restroom is tricky, if you know what I mean! Like, do I take them off? Leave them on, and not wash my hands? What a predicament.
 
stracci2000 said:
I am concerned about public restrooms.
For my job, I am on the road all day long, visiting 4-6 retail establishments each day. I must use a public restroom room probably 3 times daily.
I try really hard not to touch any surfaces while I am in there, but it's so hard.
It's stressing me out.
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You would not believe some of the public bathrooms where I am. One must be desperate to use them. I wear a long scarf (using the ends to open the doors). I never use the sinks, but slather on high alcohol sanitizer after exiting the bathroom. Never touch my face, and take a shower as soon as I get home.
I am so creeped out by the thought of germs that even at home I don’t touch my face unless I wash my hands. I am not usually anywhere near being even slightly germaphobic, but reading about the virus too much has made me a believer in extreme caution.

Edit: I read once that there are more germs on public bathroom faucets than there are on the toilet seats.

Edit: eeek!
 
stracci2000 said:
I have been wearing gloves! But wearing gloves to pee and wash in a public restroom is tricky, if you know what I mean! Like, do I take them off? Leave them on, and not wash my hands? What a predicament.
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So I'm not a germaphobe but

Maybe you carefully remove them, wash hands, use hand sanitizer, then don a new pair. Its what I would do in any case. Not sure if thats protocol but it sure would make me feel better...lol

I feel so sad for those who have to work through this and being around the public, it will be very challenging to stay healthy.
 
Hope y’all don’t mind me chiming in @stracci2000 @Jimmianne @Arcadian but washing ones hands with soap and water for 20 seconds is the best way to keep them clean and then of course as you already noted don’t touch the handles etc. use a paper towel/wipe (carry wipes or small paper squares on you etc) to turn on and off the faucet and open the door. Then dispose of it. Keeping your hands clean.

@Jimmianne i don’t love that you use your scarf. Too easy to get germs on you that way imo. Use something disposable. And use soap and water if you can to wash. IMO.

Sending anti-Coronavirus vibes to everyone and bucketloads of staying healthy *****dust*****


As far as the germiest place I believe that award goes to the kitchen sink. Yuck and blech :knockout:
 
I have the feeling that it has been around for a while. The outbreak in Wuhan started on November 1st. How long for the virus to cross over into Europe?

A week before the New Year, we went to visit my dad to Moscow. My husband got some nasty “crud” by the end of the year. Lasted for a few days. Then I got sick for 1 day, with fever, and it was strange as I have unusual immunity to influenza A. But then our dad’s caregiver, herself of Asian descent, got horribly ill. Fever, myalgia, cough, headache. When we were leaving, my older son came - he visited Denmark and Munich, and out of one of these places, he brought a horrible infection. Again, fever, cough, bronchitis, fever, not able to get out of bed, not able to lift his head. I called the doctor I knew and paid to see them both, the son and the caregiver, and they were treated pretty aggressively. My kid had serious respiratory symptoms for at least a month after he came back. Same for the caregiver. Who didn’t get ill at all was my younger kid, a teenager. And my dad (the caregiver is a nurse and exceptionally clean).

So I wonder, it was January, way before we got any scare. But I wonder if it already traveled in Europe?

ETA: they still have masks in my dad’s house, from that time. Now it is impossible to get them, of course.
 
MakingTheGrade said:
I’m Chinese but luckily live in a big liberal metropolitan and in a neighborhood with a lot of Asian population and diversity in general. The stories I hear from my Asian friends in other places make my blood boil though.
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You just wait. After 2016 elections I was called “a Russian bot”. Which was shocking given my liberal views, but people are uneducated and paranoid, human factor. (I remember how in the 90es a gay man a knew, a nephrologist, had to conceal it as several patients refused to visit his dialysis center claiming they’d “get AIDS” there.)
 
Matata said:
This an apples and oranges comparison and an oversimplification of the origins of viral disease from China, although I understand the point you're trying to make. Lyme disease isn't transmitted person-to-person. There are a whole lot of animals throughout the world carrying zoonoses capable of causing epidemics or pandemics, not just China.



They do get viral infections, SARS from China and swine flu which the article below says originated in Mexico in 2009. I thought this was an interesting historic perspective. Note the number of illnesses that are mosquito and rodent borne. Those little beasties have been a scourge to humankind for eons. Aggressive measures to ease the disease potential from mosquitos and rodents are better developed simply due to experience with them than outbreaks that come from other wild populations of animals.

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I have been to Beijing... you know, China is super organized compared to us. Go run a 22-million city.

Several things that they did are harsh, but they helped the world.

1) one-child policy. A tragedy for China, no doubt, but where would we be without it? Now? I think we should blame other big countries for lack of population control, not China for overpopulation.

2) SARS. I hate to think how they contained it, but they did. We did not get SARS. It was possible because rural area, farmers, you know. You can isolate such areas. The problem with current epidemic is that Wuhan is a big urban area, it is impossible to seclude it.

3) in China, people who have respiratory symptoms, always wear masks. It was way before coronavirus. We bought masks without having symptoms and I see people wearing huge contraptions without any symptoms here. Useless. You wear a mask if you have symptoms.

4) I love Indian culture, I share their concept of karma, Indians are closer to me culturally, and yet I decided to never travel there. TB that they have is horrible, it is systemic, and my grandpa died from TB, so I probably have flawed immunity to it. But India is developed, too, why is it impossible to eradicate it? Different organization level.

5) about what we eat...how about sushi? We love it, but is it hygienic? No. So blaming someone else on eating habits is useless (and I used to buy that coffee coming from civets. And they are reservoir of coronaviruses, too),

6) the example of mad cow disease, a problem coming from Britain, merely indicates that anyone can make mistakes with animal husbandry. They happened, they will happen.

I honestly believe that we should show support of China because, besides human factor, compassion, logically, by the time the epidemic is in full swing here, they will learn how to contain and treat it. And we should somehow...offer help and support now, to get the same back. Difficult with current government, but we have to.

ETA: I understand that I am not polemizing with you, merely answering accusations in press. The only thing China could be accused of is slow reporting of the epidemic, but I bet it is underreported in many countries of the world.
 
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Naw, I'd love a 4 carat! I love Ever but I also say not never EVER :) xo



Mamabean said:
@Tekate That’s because you got it perfect on the first try! We will have to find some Tex Mex food! :lickout: xxxoooo
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Do they report ages and other concomitant conditions?
 
My company is located on a Google campus, we lease one of their buildings. We have been telling g employees to take sick time or work from home only if they aren't feeling well and have shown symptoms. They still expect everyone else to come into work because our WFH policy is "no wfh allowed." Its a shame because 90% of my job can be done remotely and I am concerned since I visit my mother twice a week and she literally just got discharged from the hospital a couple weeks ago (for an unrelated illness and operation).
 
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