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missy said:
Ugh. They are reopening too soon! :blackeye:

I fear we are going to relapse if states are opened up too soon without a smart plan in place. And then all this for naught and in a much worse off place economy and health wise.

Tell me your Governor has a plan in place to keep everyone safe as the state reopens.


ETA:
OK found this.

www.cnn.com

This is where all 50 states stand on reopening

Stay-at-home or shelter-in-place orders are being lifted in some states and extended in others as the coronavirus pandemic continues to upend life. Here’s the latest on where states stand in their plans to reopen.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

@House Cat from this link it doesn't appear Governor Newsom is planning on reopening anytime soon...is this info incorrect?

www.cnn.com

California governor outlines plan to reopen in conjunction with West Coast states

California Gov. Gavin Newsom outlined a framework for reopening the economy in the Golden State Tuesday, warning in a gentle rebuke to President Donald Trump that the state's coronavirus protocols would be guided by "science and public health, not politics" and telling residents that they will...
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com


He hasn't given a date yet...
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Thank you for this. I hadn’t seen this. It must have been the day i missed his press conference. His press conferences are actually informative, unlike the president’s!
 
House Cat said:
Thank you for this. I hadn’t seen this. It must have been the day i missed his press conference. His press conferences are actually informative, unlike the president’s!
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Thanks @House Cat.
I can’t bear to watch the President’s press conference. He never says anything worthwhile. I do watch Cuomo and Murphy however. I like to hear what they have to say. Though I admit many politicians seem to take a very long time to say what could be said more succinctly. Lol I guess I do have that in common with them. :oops:
 
@missy, its the north beaches that are opening. Down where I am and further south where the epicenter is, the beaches remain closed.
 
States with low infection numbers that do what Trump says and lift restrictions are asking for trouble and places already in trouble that lift restrictions will have a second wave and possibly if they tighten restrictions again when people start dying on mass a third and so on.

People are going broke, they need to work to eat and to pay bills, Trump should be helping them so they don't have to rally and march and protest. If the restrictions get lifted all it will do is create more sick people and flood your health systems. It is virus, it does NOT care about your economy.
 
arkieb1 said:
People are going broke, they need to work to eat and to pay bills, Trump should be helping them so they don't have to rally and march and protest. If the restrictions get lifted all it will do is create more sick people and flood your health systems. It is virus, it does NOT care about your economy.
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Yeah, Trump should send $10 million to every american so we can all retire then we can stay home forever.My daughters can pay off their mortgages ..:dance::clap:
 
arkieb1 said:
States with low infection numbers that do what Trump says and lift restrictions are asking for trouble and places already in trouble that lift restrictions will have a second wave and possibly if they tighten restrictions again when people start dying on mass a third and so on.

People are going broke, they need to work to eat and to pay bills, Trump should be helping them so they don't have to rally and march and protest. If the restrictions get lifted all it will do is create more sick people and flood your health systems. It is virus, it does NOT care about your economy.
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In accordance to the government for Florida, 40% of the ICU beds are open. and we're testing heavily. The issue is the huge backlog of tests yet to be read but thats happening in every state. The confirmed cases ARE jumping high and thats good, it just means its actually catching up some to reality. I still say that any state should add 1-2 zeros behind their confirmed cases and you'll get a closer to real life scenario.

Stores and other essential businesses are getting with the program, they're requiring masks for their employees, some require masks for shoppers as well.

The trash from these things is atrocious though, but then again humans are disgusting. I've seen gloves and masks just thrown on the ground in parking lots for someone else to pick up, and thats not just here, its happening all over.

June 1 is the start of hurricane season, which is where it gets really interesting because this year is supposed to be particularly active.

on Coronavirus, IMO we will see a 2nd and third wave of this stuff, I have no doubts about it. But there's got to be a balance. I think states should open cautiously. Maybe parks and beaches are OK for non hotspot areas. will there be additional rates of transmission? probably, but I think in many cases while the US has lots of infections they've been more manageable because of how big the country is. Some areas DID get hit pretty hard and others, not so much. There's plenty of rural areas that are doing OK.

My feeling is that we can't stay indoors. Not only for the health of the people but also because DM, Child Abuse, Mental Health issues are going up exponentially as well.

The big issue for many states came from when people traveled from a hot spot to that state. And in the case of FL, there may be some shift as snowbirds go to their permanent addresses.

A good balanced approach needs to happen for opening the country because I'll be frank about it, we (meaning the US goverment) cannot afford to take care of its people for undertermined amount of time, nor can each of the states. Matter of fact, they actually were discussing raising taxes in PBC and if it would mean political suicide for them to do it (it would, I'd vote their asses out!)

So let those work who can and have no underlying conditions, because as you say, people need to make money. I believe Boston Globe had a story about herd immunity, which may or may not work because viruses always mutate (and if I read correctly they see mutations already) But we'll have a new normal going forward. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/

Areas of low transmission should open, we should see how it goes. They may be low because they're just rural and they didn't get much action there for any reason and might still not get any.

Those who are working in an office (the desk jockey) can certainly work from home and should continue to do so. I think for many it will end up being a permanent thing.

The rest is where there will be much more issue.


Gov in Florida has allowed Cities/Counties to decide if they want their beaches some parks and boat ramps open. Some have opted for it, some have not, if people want to keep them open they'll socially distance. So far, in Jacksonville they're doing OK The images seen in some news stories are taken at bogus angles, the ones from above show people staying far from others (you might have some in groups, but assuming they're likely family groups). The reality is, you can't keep people cooped up. Too many mental health, DV, Child Abuse issues have started to rear their ugly heads.
 
@Arcadian - yes I completely agree in the US herd immunity will be a leading strategy, because of your infection numbers it is getting to the point of being the only option, however, to minimise the death rates things like strict lock downs for the sick and elderly and managing it in such a way that there is a balance between periods of things being open and things being closed so that ICUs and hospitals are not being overrun is the key. The better states can manage that, and things like tracking and tracing and containing where possible, the better outcome for sick and critically ill patients and the population in general.

States and small rural places that do not have high infection numbers should not be allowing holiday makers or any outsiders in because everywhere else new people coming to those areas bringing the virus create new clusters of infections.

I don't however agree with the what that article is saying, it says there are no other strategies everyone must look to herd immunity. Australia is working it's way down to a zero infection rate per day for the whole country, we have low numbers, we too, are going to open things back up, and see how it goes, close them back down if we have to until a vaccine can be given to the population, so rather than just allowing a % of the population to die our and New Zealand's strategy has been tougher economic measures to preserve more lives overall. And the strategy here has been keeping the numbers as low as possible and if it takes a year or more for a vaccine then so be it. It is a much tougher strategy economically, but one most of the population here accepts.
 
@arkieb1 I agree with you on the interstate travel. People should know better (they don't) people who tried to escape from hots spots tried to escape to Florida and other places and brought that shit with them, by the same token they'll leave Florida by whatever means they can and some will take that shit with them. They figure if they own a house there, have family there, they can go there and no one tells them that they really can't.

I think I put it in the government handling it well and as you know, no, the US Fed isn't handling this well, plus the mentality...

Its a free country
you can't tell me what to do
I can go where I want
I'm going to sue because of blah blah blah
I know my rights

And then you have the states...oy vey.... I think Georgia is opening up the whole state Thats going to be interesting...

peaceful protests are the norm here, even during a pandemic...lol I don't agree with what they did, but if they took out permits and did it legally, I have little quarrel with it, as its their right to do so and, its on the state at that point.

For instance, Sacramento permitted people to have a protest, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...hy-did-chp-permit-a-large-protest/ar-BB12W9ho

No one is blaming Newsom for that but maybe they should.

With some of this in the US, its like trying to herd cats.
 
Wow, I just noticed this caption under a picture in the article I linked above. It's the first time I've seen pricing for any of the testing.

"Health care workers tend to a driver in line at a drive-through coronavirus (COVID-19) testing site at the Westminster Mall in Westminster, Calif., on Wednesday, April 8, 2020. The site is run by Elevated Health and is doing nasal testing for $125 and antibody testing for $75."
 
Wrong thread
 
BMI said:
Well this is interesting. Hope the link works, I don't know how to copy the whole article and avoid the ads.

LOS ANGELES — Hundreds of thousands of Los Angeles County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, far outpacing the number of officially confirmed cases, according to a report released Monday.
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Not surprising. Given the lack of testing I would not be surprised to find this is more the norm than not. That many more people have been infected than testing shows to date.

Of course that can translate to good news re death statistics. Maybe the percentage is lower than what our numbers show so far.
 
arkieb1 said:
@Arcadian - yes I completely agree in the US herd immunity will be a leading strategy, because of your infection numbers it is getting to the point of being the only option, however, to minimise the death rates things like strict lock downs for the sick and elderly and managing it in such a way that there is a balance between periods of things being open and things being closed so that ICUs and hospitals are not being overrun is the key. The better states can manage that, and things like tracking and tracing and containing where possible, the better outcome for sick and critically ill patients and the population in general.

States and small rural places that do not have high infection numbers should not be allowing holiday makers or any outsiders in because everywhere else new people coming to those areas bringing the virus create new clusters of infections.

I don't however agree with the what that article is saying, it says there are no other strategies everyone must look to herd immunity. Australia is working it's way down to a zero infection rate per day for the whole country, we have low numbers, we too, are going to open things back up, and see how it goes, close them back down if we have to until a vaccine can be given to the population, so rather than just allowing a % of the population to die our and New Zealand's strategy has been tougher economic measures to preserve more lives overall. And the strategy here has been keeping the numbers as low as possible and if it takes a year or more for a vaccine then so be it. It is a much tougher strategy economically, but one most of the population here accepts.
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I am attentively looking at Sweden. They tried at her herd immunity approach (generally fit, rather young population, wealthy country, top notch free medical system ).

Their leading medical advisor installed that approach.
They seem not to fare very well. There's been an open letter by 22 top doctors, urging to change that strategy...
Interested how that will go. Hoping they don't have a much higher death count than they thought.
 
kipari said:
I am attentively looking at Sweden. They tried at her herd immunity approach (generally fit, rather young population, wealthy country, top notch free medical system ).

Their leading medical advisor installed that approach.
They seem not to fare very well. There's been an open letter by 22 top doctors, urging to change that strategy...
Interested how that will go. Hoping they don't have a much higher death count than they thought.
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@nala shared a link

What's with all the firearms here?

I edited. One size fits all is not going to work though. It may relapse it may not and I don't think those making the decisions know either. They're best guessing the whole show. Yes. All we can do is the best we can do with the info we know. We have lots of info by looking at the counties...
www.pricescope.com

I don't think it is a good approach at least for the USA. I am interested to see how it goes and what the final consensus is. And the way we are heading here we might not fare much better if at all.

"Sweden has far more deaths than Denmark, Norway and Finland, a difference that is not adequately explained by the size of their populations."


Their death count does seem relatively high as of now.
www.worldometers.info

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

But it is too early to come to any accurate conclusion and time will tell.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sweden records just 40 new coronavirus deaths in latest figures

Like other countries, Sweden has typically seen a fall in reported cases on Sundays and Mondays followed by a surge when the weekend is fully accounted for.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
missy said:
I don't think it is a good approach at least for the USA. I am interested to see how it goes and what the final consensus is. And the way we are heading here we might not fare much better if at all.
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Me neither. As I said: they have different parameters regarding overall health, health system, social security, are Uber-egalitarian and still struggling...
 
kipari said:
Me neither. As I said: they have different parameters regarding overall health, health system, social security, are Uber-egalitarian and still struggling...
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Upset to read this today.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

This virus is so contagious that if we don't remain vigilant it can spin out of control so easily. This is why it is concerning that the states are beginning to relax quarantine already...
 
first time ive deared to look at this thread - been to scared too
stay safe everybody and do what ever you can to protect the elderly and vulnerable members of our society
 
missy said:
Upset to read this today.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

This virus is so contagious that if we don't remain vigilant it can spin out of control so easily. This is why it is concerning that the states are beginning to relax quarantine already...
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Yes, scary. It only takes one super spreader or one undetected hearth and off it goes...
 
kipari said:
I am attentively looking at Sweden. They tried at her herd immunity approach (generally fit, rather young population, wealthy country, top notch free medical system ).

Their leading medical advisor installed that approach.
They seem not to fare very well. There's been an open letter by 22 top doctors, urging to change that strategy...
Interested how that will go. Hoping they don't have a much higher death count than they thought.
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Yeah I think that dude was nuts (their leading medical advisor) it only works if you lock down your elderly and sick and people "at risk" well and even then this disease impacts a small % outside those groups. I think a better method/strategy of herd immunity is doing it over a longer period of time, so you allow a certain number of people to be infected, then place restrictions, then when the numbers go down ease them and so on until most of the population has been exposed but ICUs and hospitals do not get to the point where they are overrun.

It's still using herd immunity but it's juggling or controlling it in such a way that it kills as few people as possible, rather than like Sweden leaving everything open and just allowing the disease to spread freely.

Does any know how @Karl_K is?
 
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Here's another article speaking to more skin issues in addition to the Covid Toes article I posted earlier. This virus is a surprising one with its continually evolving list of symptoms and effects and after effects.

www.yahoo.com

Coronavirus is causing hives and 4 other skin reactions — here’s what dermatologists warn you to look for

COVID-19 may primarily affect the lungs, but dermatologists nationwide are now reporting skin reactions as well. Here are the five most common to be aware of.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
arkieb1 said:
Yeah I think that dude was nuts (their leading medical advisor) it only works if you lock down your elderly and sick and people "at risk" well and even then this disease impacts a small % outside those groups. I think a better method/strategy of herd immunity is doing it over a longer period of time, so you allow a certain number of people to be infected, then place restrictions, then when the numbers go down ease them and so on until most of the population has been exposed but ICUs and hospitals do not get to the point where they are overrun.

It's still using herd immunity but it's juggling or controlling it in such a way that it kills as few people as possible, rather than like Sweden leaving everything open and just allowing the disease to spread freely.
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Yep, the "advisor" seems a bit peculiar. . .
 
I found this to be interesting. 30 strains of Covid-19. And look at what they're saying about the more agressive ones...

news.sky.com

Coronavirus: Scientists in China find 33 mutations of virus in warning to vaccine developers

Researchers say vaccine developers need to consider the impact of these "accumulating mutations... to avoid potential pitfalls".
news.sky.com news.sky.com

There's no peer review of any studies so might be all BS, but I have a feeling not, even Iceland found more than a few strains on their tiny island country.
 
Also

COVID-19 Testing | Labcorp OnDemand

Get tested for COVID-19 with our quick and easy at-home kit. Our FDA authorized kits provide everything you need to collect a nasal swab sample and send it to our lab.
www.pixel.labcorp.com www.pixel.labcorp.com
this is huge!!

FDA Approved At home Tests
www.fda.gov

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes First Test for Patient At-Home Sample Collection

FDA Authorizes First Test for At-Home Collection
www.fda.gov www.fda.gov

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorized the first diagnostic test with a home collection option for COVID-19. Specifically, the FDA re-issued the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Laboratory Corporation of America (LabCorp) COVID-19 RT-PCR Test to permit testing of samples self-collected by patients at home using LabCorp’s Pixel by LabCorp COVID-19 Test home collection kit.


“Throughout this pandemic we have been facilitating test development to ensure patients access to accurate diagnostics, which includes supporting the development of reliable and accurate at-home sample collection options,” said FDA Commissioner Stephen M. Hahn, M.D. “The FDA’s around-the-clock work since this outbreak began has resulted in the authorization of more than 50 diagnostic tests and engagement with over 350 test developers. Specifically, for tests that include home sample collection, we worked with LabCorp to ensure the data demonstrated from at-home patient sample collection is as safe and accurate as sample collection at a doctor’s office, hospital or other testing site. With this action, there is now a convenient and reliable option for patient sample collection from the comfort and safety of their home.”
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From what I could figure they're 119.00 each. I wonder if insurance will cover?
 
Arcadian said:
I found this to be interesting. 30 strains of Covid-19. And look at what they're saying about the more agressive ones...

news.sky.com

Coronavirus: Scientists in China find 33 mutations of virus in warning to vaccine developers

Researchers say vaccine developers need to consider the impact of these "accumulating mutations... to avoid potential pitfalls".
news.sky.com news.sky.com

There's no peer review of any studies so might be all BS, but I have a feeling not, even Iceland found more than a few strains on their tiny island country.
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Thanks @Arcadian , very interesting read
 
kipari said:
I am attentively looking at Sweden. They tried at her herd immunity approach (generally fit, rather young population, wealthy country, top notch free medical system ).

Their leading medical advisor installed that approach.
They seem not to fare very well. There's been an open letter by 22 top doctors, urging to change that strategy...
Interested how that will go. Hoping they don't have a much higher death count than they thought.
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I have family living in Sweden, apparently they are going "survival of the fittest" approach. My uncle is sick (recovering now) and they refused to test him (he has a weak heart & had open heart surgery not long ago). Everything is open and everyone is working like normal, even though the hospitals are filled with Covid patients. It's crazy!
 
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