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Did someone say ROYAL ASSCHER???? :shock::o:o:o:o
 
-Asscher- said:
Royal Asscher!!!! I would love that! Will give it to try, maybe I can message the seller and ask if can go down to my budget and maybe some video for this beauty! Thanks
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That's a stunning stone!
 
B252E26D-2F69-4CC8-97F7-ED6A35BEB7CD.jpeg @OoohShiny,
You mentioned 1.57ct seems to have the hall of mirrors ( I like that very much ) is it because have more pavilion?
On this screenshot the bottom one look very similar but on 1.57’s cert ( the plot ) only 4 pavilion.
 
-Asscher- said:
Okay, I like:
1.65ct GSI1
1.57ct G-VS1
1.38ct D-VVS2

What you all think?
I can’t make decision from this three yet and I’m still looking other stones too.
Other than JamesAllen, any other online website is good?
Blue Nile I feel the price is higher around 1,5-2k from other web? I can be wrong.
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I like the 1.65 then the 1.38 (but you get a lot less face up size) then the 1.57. I think with how thin the facets are on the 1.57 you lose out on some patterning for smaller flashes. Which is fine if that's what you like.. I think a lot of us love asshers for their broad flashes though.. so depends on your taste.. and I'm betting that 1.65 might be eyeclean.. and is the best of that bunch
 
JmeeMrie said:
I like the 1.65 then the 1.38 (but you get a lot less face up size) then the 1.57. I think with how thin the facets are on the 1.57 you lose out on some patterning for smaller flashes. Which is fine if that's what you like.. I think a lot of us love asshers for their broad flashes though.. so depends on your taste.. and I'm betting that 1.65 might be eyeclean.. and is the best of that bunch
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I agreed! I like 1.65 the best so far too.
 
I saw this at the other store today, what you all think?
1.26ct E-VS1 Asscher

1.26ct E-VS1 Asscher
 
-Asscher- said:
I saw this at the other store today, what you all think?
1.26ct E-VS1 Asscher

1.26ct E-VS1 Asscher
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Looks leaky. I wouldn’t buy that without seeing an aset, which if thee jeweler doesn’t have are easily bought online
 
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@JmeeMrie
I like this a lot! I like the wide windmill.
But before decide I’m gonna keep looking and wait maybe anyone else can give their opinion?
@OoohShiny @Matthews1127 and others ???
 
JmeeMrie said:
I found this too, what you all think?
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
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I like this one as well, those fat windmills are nice! Depends on your priorities.. bigger more included stone (maybe eye clean) or smaller IF stone.. also the IF has wider steps and windmills.[/QUOTE]

First, I just caught this thread; thank you for tagging me, everyone...lol!!
Second, I like this diamond, but I have not looked at all of the other options presented. @JmeeMrie has a really good eye for step-cuts, too!!
BN has different Return & upgrade policies, and does not usually provide ASET images of their diamonds. JA does. Step-Cuts are a breed of their own, and require meticulous examination...unless they’re a Royal Asscher (due to strict characteristics that MAKE them Royal Asschers), or they are cut by Yoram Finkelstein (he is a-maze-balls, and step-cuts “speak” to him).
As @OoohShiny eloquently, and marvelously demonstrated, earlier, with comparisons of what to look for re: leakage, and “dead” centers, these differences make or break a diamond’s ability to perform, to stay brilliantly active, and alive. Optimal light return is essential for a lively step-cut diamond. Otherwise, there is just no purpose in having one; you won’t be able to see it.
Any jeweler who hands you a bag of bologna, and tells you to “settle”, and that “all that matters is it sparkles” is a charlatain, and deserves to go out of business.
I am going to pause, now, to examine your other choices, and take a look, on my own, and see what I can come up with to help you. I will copy any & all suggestions others have posted, as well as my own, and give you reasons why I like them.
With a 10k budget, you may not land a Royal Asscher, but we’ll do our best to help you find an Asscher that makes your heart skip a beat! :mrgreen2:
 
I LOVE THIS ASSCHER!! I’m completely disappointed at the carbon inclusion against the table. I’m a clarity nut, but YOU may not be bothered by it. It’s well within your budget & the l x w ratio is PERFECT!!
This diamond is a symphony of symmetry; it’s one of the livliest Asschers I’ve seen! If you can get past that crazy inclusion, this would be beautiful! Worth requesting ASET.

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...ut/1.40-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3635505

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I love the broad, flashy facets of this Asscher!! VVS clarity; no glaring inclusions, and it’s crisp. Definitely worth requesting an ASET from JA. I don’t see “dead” center, and all of the steps light up; extremely lively. Do not mistake broad faceting for leakage; an ASET will show you how it performs. This Asscher is a beautiful, chunky stone. Again, within budget, and l x w ratio is spot on.

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...t/1.38-carat-d-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3273169

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OoohShiny said:
This is a big 'red flag' to me - they don't want educated buyers questioning their choices, they want buyers with no knowledge who will accept what they are given. This will mean they can maximise their profit and they do not care about what the customer gets or how happy the customer is!

As you say, I think you need to shop online... :)



Other hints and tips I would have would be:

Avoid too much 'obstruction', which shows as blue in ASET images and black in the face-on 'real-life' pictures. This can make a stone dark to look at directly, and it can mean that the stone facets are 'all-on' or 'all-off', rather than them working together to create interesting visual patterns.
Too much obstruction:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.08-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4663681

Avoid stones that are 'dead' - stones that do not have lots of facets turning off and on makes them boring to look at!
This stone seems to have very little 'life' in the centre, it just doesn't really sparkle or have any light/dark contrast patterns:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.32-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-587968

Leakage - avoid stones that look 'see-through', like this one when it's head-on! lol
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.50-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-660841


FWIW I really like this one:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.51-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4377736
Great facet patterning (I like the thinner facets but chunky facets can also look good), the black/white contrast pattern is interesting to look at and nicely spread out across the stone, most of the facets are swtiching on and off quickly and across the range of movement, and face-on you can see that 'hall of mirrors' effect, which creates the look of a deep well going down into the diamond which moves from side to side as the stone moves 8-)
The only thing I don't like about it is the inclusion right in the middle of the table, but that's because I'm a clarity-freak :lol: lol
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Beautiful!! As you mentioned, that inclusion is a “no” for me, too...
 
OoohShiny said:
I think we might be able to do better than that ;-)

I am going to search for D-G because D to F looks very similar in real life, and G is usually white enough to have no visible tint in most lights, so here goes... :))

(All comments are, of course, IMHO!)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.65-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-3213845
Great example of chunky faceting. Grade setting inclusion is clouds, which are barely visible in the video, so it looks a very clean SI1 - it would need to be inspected in person by a JA gemologist (and then you if you go for it) to assess if light performance is impacted (e.g. creates dullness or haze in the stone) but it looks promising to my eyes.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.70-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-3630998
More chunky facets but quite a prominent inclusion in the table. Larger than the first one but faces up slightly smaller!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.70-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4488104
A little dark when face-on (not many bright facets under the table to counter the dark obstruction) but looks decent at all other angles. Inclusion is dark but small.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.61-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3213848
Chunky faceting that seems to be giving off lots of different colours, which has potential for good fire, I think! Maybe not as bright / 'contrast-y' as others, but that might be the video lighting.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.55-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3979274
More chunky facets and very bright/active at most angles! Perhaps a bit 'low-contrast' under the table when head-on (more 'shades of grey' than strong black-and-white patterns).

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.57-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3413599
I really like this one - skinny facet patterning so it looks like there's more of them / more complex patterning :) Seems to have the 'hall of mirrors' effect head-on, which is hard to find, but maybe some slight 'tilt-windowing' at about 60-degrees from head-on.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.38-carat-d-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3273169
That thinner facet patterning again but this time in a D, and VVS2 will definitely be eye-clean. It is perhaps 'quieter' than some of the others above (as in there are not so many 'flashes' so often) but that might be down to the lighting. The more I look at it, the more it grows on me, as it does seem to be giving coloured light return, which might indicate good fire. It's also bang on your max budget, so this could be a strong contender if you definitely want D over a larger E/F/G stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.20-carat-d-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4480005
This looks to be another strong contender if you want D and eye-clean, although the size is quite a bit smaller. Lots of bright light return and active facets across the stone!


Other ones worth a mention:

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.52-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3979273
Nice but big black inclusion is a shame.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.54-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3296240
Has potential but the faceting/reflections under the table could be 'sharper', and somewhat low-contrast.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.25-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4672293
Pretty and performs well, but I'm personally not a fan of the narrower 'windmills'.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.50-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3213842
A great performer with lots of fast-moving flashes and nice faceting, but the inclusion is quite obvious in the reflections.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.22-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-3103103
I don't know why but this looks super-deep as it rotates! It seems to have a different 'flavour' to the other stones listed here - it might be due to the video being not-quite-completely-head-on, but I find it interesting to look at (which is surely the point of any diamond!).

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.21-carat-e-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4821985
Looks good, lots of bright light return, but inclusions may be quite obvious.


See what you think of those!

I will say that at the moment, there seems to be an unusually large number of nicely-cut Asschers on the market - there have been hardly any when I've looked in recent months, so you are looking to buy at a good time!

@Matthews1127 might also be able to help in your search, I know she likes a good stepcut diamond ;))
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This one is my top selection of those, above:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.57-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3413599
l x w ratio is still within your preferences:
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@-Asscher-
It is important for you to know that, while we are posting these stones to help you, there are others who are checking out what we’re posting. If you find something you REALLY like, place it on hold. It will reserve the stone for you, until you can acquire more information, and obtain ASETs for those you are considering. Use this as an opportunity to eliminate those you don’t like from those that you do. JA will send you 3 ASETs per email address. If you have more than one email address, you can request ASETs on more than 3 stones.
Happy Hunting!
 
Matthews1127 said:
I like this one as well, those fat windmills are nice! Depends on your priorities.. bigger more included stone (maybe eye clean) or smaller IF stone.. also the IF has wider steps and windmills.
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First, I just caught this thread; thank you for tagging me, everyone...lol!!
Second, I like this diamond, but I have not looked at all of the other options presented. @JmeeMrie has a really good eye for step-cuts, too!!
BN has different Return & upgrade policies, and does not usually provide ASET images of their diamonds. JA does. Step-Cuts are a breed of their own, and require meticulous examination...unless they’re a Royal Asscher (due to strict characteristics that MAKE them Royal Asschers), or they are cut by Yoram Finkelstein (he is a-maze-balls, and step-cuts “speak” to him).
As @OoohShiny eloquently, and marvelously demonstrated, earlier, with comparisons of what to look for re: leakage, and “dead” centers, these differences make or break a diamond’s ability to perform, to stay brilliantly active, and alive. Optimal light return is essential for a lively step-cut diamond. Otherwise, there is just no purpose in having one; you won’t be able to see it.
Any jeweler who hands you a bag of bologna, and tells you to “settle”, and that “all that matters is it sparkles” is a charlatain, and deserves to go out of business.
I am going to pause, now, to examine your other choices, and take a look, on my own, and see what I can come up with to help you. I will copy any & all suggestions others have posted, as well as my own, and give you reasons why I like them.
With a 10k budget, you may not land a Royal Asscher, but we’ll do our best to help you find an Asscher that makes your heart skip a beat! :mrgreen2:[/QUOTE]


Finally you’re here!!! :P2
I tried to message the seller with Royal Asscher but didn't hear back until now. Yeah I would just stay with traditional Asscher Cut with my poor budget:lol-2:

I tried hard to learn but still can’t do good with it, I still can’t really tell about the leakage :confused:
For table and depth what is the best? Smaller table or bigger table? And depth what is min and max for it?
 
@Matthews1127
I like the one you found ( 1.40ct F-VS2 ) but I’m not sure about the carbon inclusion too.

Just so many beauty here and so hard to pick which one to go with LOL
 
-Asscher- said:
First, I just caught this thread; thank you for tagging me, everyone...lol!!
Second, I like this diamond, but I have not looked at all of the other options presented. @JmeeMrie has a really good eye for step-cuts, too!!
BN has different Return & upgrade policies, and does not usually provide ASET images of their diamonds. JA does. Step-Cuts are a breed of their own, and require meticulous examination...unless they’re a Royal Asscher (due to strict characteristics that MAKE them Royal Asschers), or they are cut by Yoram Finkelstein (he is a-maze-balls, and step-cuts “speak” to him).
As @OoohShiny eloquently, and marvelously demonstrated, earlier, with comparisons of what to look for re: leakage, and “dead” centers, these differences make or break a diamond’s ability to perform, to stay brilliantly active, and alive. Optimal light return is essential for a lively step-cut diamond. Otherwise, there is just no purpose in having one; you won’t be able to see it.
Any jeweler who hands you a bag of bologna, and tells you to “settle”, and that “all that matters is it sparkles” is a charlatain, and deserves to go out of business.
I am going to pause, now, to examine your other choices, and take a look, on my own, and see what I can come up with to help you. I will copy any & all suggestions others have posted, as well as my own, and give you reasons why I like them.
With a 10k budget, you may not land a Royal Asscher, but we’ll do our best to help you find an Asscher that makes your heart skip a beat! :mrgreen2:
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Finally you’re here!!! :P2
I tried to message the seller with Royal Asscher but didn't hear back until now. Yeah I would just stay with traditional Asscher Cut with my poor budget:lol-2:

I tried hard to learn but still can’t do good with it, I still can’t really tell about the leakage :confused:
For table and depth what is the best? Smaller table or bigger table? And depth what is min and max for it?[/QUOTE]

When I search for step cuts, I always search for smaller tables to larger tables (58-63%), and depth between 60-68%. Anything deeper will not be cut well, and will show you poor light return; it will be dark. I love smaller tables on Asschers; I’m a Vintage Cut gal. I appreciate larger tables, as long as the facets are broad, and throw off a lot of flash. All Asschers have their own personality, and are each unique; their characteristics are their “fingerprints”, and no two are exactly alike.
Keeping an open mind, while doing your search is vital to finding your “Unicorn”.
Another important tip: pavilion 3 placement is essential to a diamond’s light return. It’s all about geometry, and cut.
 
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Matthews1127 said:
@-Asscher-
It is important for you to know that, while we are posting these stones to help you, there are others who are checking out what we’re posting. If you find something you REALLY like, place it on hold. It will reserve the stone for you, until you can acquire more information, and obtain ASETs for those you are considering. Use this as an opportunity to eliminate those you don’t like from those that you do. JA will send you 3 ASETs per email address. If you have more than one email address, you can request ASETs on more than 3 stones.
Happy Hunting!
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So I think just stick with JA instead BN right?
I want to contact them but which one I should go first?
LOL I can’t make decision! Like I’m asking you what clothes I should wear today :lol-2::lol-2::lol-2:
 
-Asscher- said:
@Matthews1127
I like the one you found ( 1.40ct F-VS2 ) but I’m not sure about the carbon inclusion too.

Just so many beauty here and so hard to pick which one to go with LOL
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After viewing so many, have you noticed if you prefer certain characteristics of a stone over others (ie: larger vs smaller tables, 4 or 5 pavilion facets vs. 3, higher crown vs. lower crown, etc.)? Smaller tables allow for more crown facets. Whereas, larger tables allow fewer, more broad facets. Do you have a preference of windmill size?
 
-Asscher- said:
So I think just stick with JA instead BN right?
I want to contact them but which one I should go first?
LOL I can’t make decision! Like I’m asking you what clothes I should wear today :lol-2::lol-2::lol-2:
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Choose your top 3. Start there. Request the ASET images for all 3 of them. If you are not certain how to interpret them, post them here, and we’ll help you out. Just be certain to place each one on HOLD!
If you like 1.40ct stone, but you’re apprehensive about the carbon inclusion against the table, you can ask the gemologist at JA how obvious it really is, IRL, and whether or not the stone is eye clean enough to not obstruct or distract.
 
 
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Perhaps, @diamondseeker2006, and @whitewave can add to the discussion, and share their opinions, experiences, and their advice. They are also great resources re: step-cuts...Asschers, in particular!
I searched Whiteflash, and came up empty. I’m going to continue to search!
 
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Matthews1127 said:
After viewing so many, have you noticed if you prefer certain characteristics of a stone over others (ie: larger vs smaller tables, 4 or 5 pavilion facets vs. 3, higher crown vs. lower crown, etc.)? Smaller tables allow for more crown facets. Whereas, larger tables allow fewer, more broad facets. Do you have a preference of windmill size?
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I like wide windmill, for table I have to look again because I still can’t tell what is the difference for small and larger look like.
About 3,4 and 5 pavilion, the appearance will look like this on the picture?

I like the look like have many steps, more deeper toward the middle.
But on the picture the 5 pavilion look a little busy to me so im confused! LOL
 
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My preferences, to request ASETs, in order:

1.57GVS1 (this is a REALLY cool Asscher!) Great find, @OoohShiny!!
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.57-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-3413599

1.38DVVS2
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.38-carat-d-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3273169

1.40FVS2 (#3 only because of that crazy, carbon inclusion)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/1.40-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3635505

PUT THESE ON HOLD...lol!
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Okay! When I contact JA do I have to have 3 email for these 3 ?
 
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