Blues anyone?

[kenny]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are?

Of course he can.
I don't think he should.
I've already stated why.

Also though you've conveyed your personal experience if I had perhaps millions of dollars at stake nobody's personal experience holds as much weight as a GIA report.
Plus when this much money is at stake a few hundred bucks and free are quite similar.

 

[AGBF]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

 

[kenny]

I believe all opinions coexist and one does not conquer the other regardless of how well supported with reasoning they are.

That is different from how most people think.
Most assume each party is trying to win and conquer.
Hence they get defensive and sensitive when opposing views are presented.

 

[y2kitty]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

 

[swimmer]

I bet the OP can afford the $200 to get them really vetted.

My question is what on earth Sheiks were doing with a chalice? Devout Muslims don't drink and a "chalice" is a Christian object. Lots of brass and plated stuff of that nature sells in the Middle East for the tourist trade though...(I know it yet still love my candlesticks!) Hey, its better Grandpa came home with a chalice than "an original piece of the cross." LMAO at anyone who purchases those!

 

[AGBF]

I believe all opinions coexist and one does not conquer the other regardless of how well supported with reasoning they are.

That is different from how most people think.
Most assume each party is trying to win and conquer.
Hence they get defensive and sensitive when opposing views are presented.

OK....

 

[AGBF]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

It's become a philosophy board!!! I'm not intellectually up to participating in this discussion, guys!

Deb

 

[decodelighted]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

I think there's a third: Bury head in sand & continue to *believe*!

 

[Autumnovember]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

I think there's a third: Bury head in sand & continue to *believe*!

Or leave PS...because I think he has.

 

[that_someone_special]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

I think there's a third: Bury head in sand & continue to *believe*!

Isn't that what dreams are made of?

I think they look like topaz or something other than diamonds.

Why can't he do both? go to a jeweler or two, get them checked and then send them to GIA? I can't imagine 2, 3, 4 local jewelers could get it wrong?

 

[yssie]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

I am just curious, what risk are you taking by going to a trusted jeweler to see if a diamond is real or not? When I bought on e-bay I went to my local jeweler and asked him to look at it for me. She checked it with a loupe first and then she brought the tester out in front of me. I see no risk in doing the first step of making sure it is a diamond first.

I see risks in sending it to GIA as well. Some cost & some shipping risk.

I'm not asking you specifically AGBF, but I am curious what others see as a risk by asking a trusted jeweler to test it as being a diamond first.

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

 

[kenny]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

I think there's a third: Bury head in sand & continue to *believe*!

Isn't that what dreams are made of?

I think they look like topaz or something other than diamonds.

Why can't he do both? go to a jeweler or two, get them checked and then send them to GIA? I can't imagine 2, 3, 4 local jewelers could get it wrong?

He can.
Nobody said he can't.

 

[kenny]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Kenny please read posts before answering them. I asked where is the risk in my post prior and quoted Yssie to see if she could answer why it is a risk.

It has nothing to do with anything you said.

It was mentioned that there is a risk in taking a stone in hand to a jeweler and I cannot see why. That's what I want to know as I am curious where a risk in that is. If they say it is a diamond then send it to GIA. If they can see via loupe and with a tester that it is a zircon for example (not saying it is, but saying that it would be impossible to confuse a zircon with a diamond via a loupe and a diamond tester) then again I fail to see the risk.

So if you care to quote me again and answer, please address the *RISK* involved. I am curious to know if I am missing something.

I definitely see a risk in asking a jeweler to do *all* the testing, but not initial yes or no if it is a diamond. If they cannot determine then send to GIA.

 

[kenny]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Kenny please read posts before answering them. I asked where is the risk in my post prior and quoted Yssie to see if she could answer why it is a risk.

It has nothing to do with anything you said.

It was mentioned that there is a risk in taking a stone in hand to a jeweler and I cannot see why. That's what I want to know as I am curious where a risk in that is. If they say it is a diamond then send it to GIA. If they can see via loupe and with a tester that it is a zircon for example (not saying it is, but saying that it would be impossible to confuse a zircon with a diamond via a loupe and a diamond tester) then again I fail to see the risk.

So if you care to quote me again and answer, please address the *RISK* involved. I am curious to know if I am missing something.

I definitely see a risk in asking a jeweler to do *all* the testing, but not initial yes or no if it is a diamond. If they cannot determine then send to GIA.

Ouch.

 

[rosetta]

Well after all this debate, if cuso isn't just interested in deluding himself, he's getting his stones verified as we write. Only a complete fool wouldn't do it when there is so much uncertainty involved.

I put my hand up and admit they don't look like diamonds to me, but I hope he proves me wrong.

If he chooses not to respond to this thread eventually, he loses all credibility within the PS community. Maybe that matters to him, maybe it doesn't. Who knows?

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Huh?

I admit Kenny I get so tired of the replies like this from you. There are countless times I ask you a question and get either ignored completely or replied to like this.

Either answer or don't bother quoting me please.

I seriously wanted to know what is the risk in asking a jeweler if a stone is a diamond or not. End of story.

 

[kenny]

If he chooses not to respond to this thread eventually, he loses all credibility within the PS community.

I do not agree and feel such a sweeping statement is not cool.
IMHO, he's under no obligation to us as a community or any of us individually.

He came here and got some advice.
I've expressed my opinion on what I'd do with the advice but what he does with it is his own business.

Clearly many here do not like Cuso because of many thing's he posted.
I do not like to see anyone ganged up on, regardless of whether they "behave" or not.

 

[kenny]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Huh?

I admit Kenny I get so tired of the replies like this from you. There are countless times I ask you a question and get either ignored completely or replied to like this.

Either answer or don't bother quoting me please.

I seriously wanted to know what is the risk in asking a jeweler if a stone is a diamond or not. End of story.

I have one person here on ignore.
I recommend you put me on ignore.
I'm getting tired of you too, following me around the way you do, nitpicking my posts to try to make me look bad.
Whatever.

Clearly you don't like me because I tell the truth about RD, from whom you have purchased.

 

[waterlilly]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Huh?

I admit Kenny I get so tired of the replies like this from you. There are countless times I ask you a question and get either ignored completely or replied to like this.

Either answer or don't bother quoting me please.

I seriously wanted to know what is the risk in asking a jeweler if a stone is a diamond or not. End of story.

I have one person here on ignore.
I recommend you put me on ignore.
I'm getting tired of you too, following me around the way you do, nitpicking my posts to try to make me look bad.
Whatever.

Clearly you don't like me because I tell the truth about RD, from whom you have purchased.

I don't know or care to know any of the history behind the stuff above, but am actually curious about the question too, what possible risk is there in just going to any jeweler that has a diamond tester as a starting point? Can diamond testers give a false positive/negative?

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Huh?

I admit Kenny I get so tired of the replies like this from you. There are countless times I ask you a question and get either ignored completely or replied to like this.

Either answer or don't bother quoting me please.

I seriously wanted to know what is the risk in asking a jeweler if a stone is a diamond or not. End of story.

I have one person here on ignore.
I recommend you put me on ignore.
I'm getting tired of you too, following me around the way you do, nitpicking my posts to try to make me look bad.
Whatever.

Clearly you don't like me because I tell the truth about RD, from whom you have purchased.

Oh Kenny you are really so funny sometimes.

I don't follow you around at all! In fact you were the one to quote me which is the *only* reason why I replied to you. Think about that. You chose to reply to me. I really didn't pay attention to what you had said in this thread past skimming the big blue diamond pics you posted. I was simply curious about these "risk factors" previously mentioned.

You quoted me and ignored my question. So I asked again and then you got all condescending.

You act like you know everything about RD and how he works. So you say things you claim as fact. I have worked with him and don't agree with your opinions. In fact I have taken identical looking photos that you claim to know are backlit, that I can tell you are not at all.

So you think your thoughts on RD and I think mine. Just like I have my opinions on your favorite colored diamond vendor.

Just like you said before "Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people."

I hope you truly believe what you wrote

I have a feeling you dislike me which is why you quoted me in the first place. I have no ill feelings towards you. I do get annoyed when I ask a question and you choose to ignore me or try to insult me. That is something I do dislike immensely and it isn't just you who does it. I have forums I admin on that people do it and it drives me batty.

My thoughts are that one should either answer the question you quoted or don't bother with a reply. Though again we may disagree on that.

Oh and FTR, I will never use ignore so don't tell me what to do here please.

So I am asking again to either Yssie or anyone else who cares to answer. What risk factors are there in using a local jeweler to test for you?

I do realize that some would want to know the exact stone they have no matter what and then GIA would be helpful, but I guess I wouldn't spend the money unless I knew it was a valuable item.

 

[AGBF]

I have one person here on ignore.
...

Clearly you don't like me because I tell the truth about RD, from whom you have purchased.

Please tell me it is not I! I am so enamored of your use of "whom" in the sentence above, that I would be crushed if it were I whom you

had blackballed!!!

Deb/AGBF

 

[kenny]

er use ignore so don't tell me what to do here please.

So I am asking again to either Yssie or anyone else who cares to answer. What risk factors are there in using a local jeweler to test for you?
.

I've already written this in this thread, but I'll write it again for you.

The risk is there is so much money at stake, he/she could lie to you and try to buy them cheap.



BTW, I didn't even see who wrote your post when I responded to it.
What triggered my response to you were your words, "why a trusted jeweler is bad . . .?"

My response is nothing is bad.
If it works for you it works for you.
Respect diversity.

But one way does not work for all.

 

[clgwli]

er use ignore so don't tell me what to do here please.

So I am asking again to either Yssie or anyone else who cares to answer. What risk factors are there in using a local jeweler to test for you?
.

I've already written this in this thread, but I'll write it again for you.\

The risk is there is so much money at stake, he/she could lie to you and try to buy them cheap.



BTW, I didn't even see who wrote your post when I responded to it.

I did read your post and I really am doubtful that would happen. Why? Because I have had diamonds verified for me.

However your post DID NOT SPARK MY QUESTION AT ALL!

I have had my stones tested in person in front of me. They show me the results to my face (it's hard to lie when a light comes up). How can there be a risk if they show you the results?

Maybe you've never purchased something you needed a test on or maybe you haven't been to what I consider a good jeweler.

For example I bought a diamond off of ebay. A vintage piece. I took it to my jeweler. First thing she did was check it to see if it was isotropic or anisotropic. She showed me the results via magification. It came up as isotropic. Then she got the tester out. It said "Diamond"

The same thing happened with a piece I got from a family member after they died. Though that was easy since the inclusions and lack of doubling under magnification would say it wasn't CZ.

I said thank you to her and I was happy enough that I got the correct results. Where is the risk there?

Is there something inaccurate about testers that I do not know about?

Obviously all are free to answer. I guess I found a jeweler just down the street that I trust enough not to lie to me. Neither time did they offer to buy even though they do sell estate pieces.

 

[kenny]

er use ignore so don't tell me what to do here please.

So I am asking again to either Yssie or anyone else who cares to answer. What risk factors are there in using a local jeweler to test for you?
.

I've already written this in this thread, but I'll write it again for you.\

The risk is there is so much money at stake, he/she could lie to you and try to buy them cheap.



BTW, I didn't even see who wrote your post when I responded to it.

I did read your post and I really am doubtful that would happen. Why? Because I have had diamonds verified for me.

I have had my stones tested in person in front of me. They show me the results to my face (it's hard to lie when a light comes up). How can there be a risk if they show you the results?

Maybe you've never purchased something you needed a test on or maybe you haven't been to what I consider a good jeweler.

For example I bought a diamond off of ebay. A vintage piece. I took it to my jeweler. First thing she did was check it to see if it was isotropic or anisotropic. She showed me the results via magification. It came up as isotropic. Then she got the tester out. It said "Diamond"

The same thing happened with a piece I got from a family member after they died. Though that was easy since the inclusions and lack of doubling under magnification would say it wasn't CZ.

I said thank you to her and I was happy enough that I got the correct results. Where is the risk there?

Is there something inaccurate about testers that I do not know about?

Obviously all are free to answer. I guess I found a jeweler just down the street that I trust enough not to lie to me. Neither time did they offer to buy even though they do sell estate pieces.

Your experience is a sample size of one.
Guess what.
Others have different experiences.
Unethical people DO exist.
Throw in the chance that a million bucks is at stake, and the importance of believing the verdict increases - to me - perhaps not to you.

Again all approaches are valid because people vary.
You do it your way.
I'll do it my way.
Cuso will do it his way.

All are equally groovy.

 

[clgwli]

er use ignore so don't tell me what to do here please.

So I am asking again to either Yssie or anyone else who cares to answer. What risk factors are there in using a local jeweler to test for you?
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I've already written this in this thread, but I'll write it again for you.\

The risk is there is so much money at stake, he/she could lie to you and try to buy them cheap.



BTW, I didn't even see who wrote your post when I responded to it.

I did read your post and I really am doubtful that would happen. Why? Because I have had diamonds verified for me.

I have had my stones tested in person in front of me. They show me the results to my face (it's hard to lie when a light comes up). How can there be a risk if they show you the results?

Maybe you've never purchased something you needed a test on or maybe you haven't been to what I consider a good jeweler.

For example I bought a diamond off of ebay. A vintage piece. I took it to my jeweler. First thing she did was check it to see if it was isotropic or anisotropic. She showed me the results via magification. It came up as isotropic. Then she got the tester out. It said "Diamond"

The same thing happened with a piece I got from a family member after they died. Though that was easy since the inclusions and lack of doubling under magnification would say it wasn't CZ.

I said thank you to her and I was happy enough that I got the correct results. Where is the risk there?

Is there something inaccurate about testers that I do not know about?

Obviously all are free to answer. I guess I found a jeweler just down the street that I trust enough not to lie to me. Neither time did they offer to buy even though they do sell estate pieces.

Your experience is a sample size of one.
Guess what.
Others have different experiences.
Unethical people DO exist.
Throw in the chance that a million bucks is at stake, and the importance of believing the verdict increases - to me - perhaps not to you.

Again all approaches are valid because people vary.
You do it your way.
I'll do it my way.
Cuso will do it his way.

All are equally groovy.

So you think a jeweler would steal your stone in front of you? Is that the unethical part you are worried about?

Or are you implying you would have a stone sold to them immediately without further research on it just because it wasn't a diamond?

I was asking of a specific risk about testing at a jeweler, but I have a feeling you are putting more into it.

Are these testers not accurate at all? That is what I want to know.

Trust with my local jeweler was gained by me. They educated me over time and sold me wonderful diamonds of high quality. I would leave any stone I had with them. However in the beginning to gain my trust they did all work in front of me. Even tightening prongs was done in my presence behind a window.

So yeah it's easy to trust when your pieces never leave your sight. So if a jeweler testing in front of you and never took the stone away from you, is there a risk to getting a yes or no? That's what I want to know and nothing else

Personally I wouldn't trust someone giving me a "blue diamond" but that's me, so I wouldn't risk sending something in the mail to be told for a price that I had a lovely cheap zircon. That's an opinion which is fine. But I am not asking about that kind of a thing. I am asking about diamond testing done by jewelers. Mostly because if they are not accurate how do I know if I will ever get "the real thing" or not.

 

[Karl_K]

I would find an independent appraiser hopefully within driving distance and get an initial opinion.
IF they are diamond then off to gia they would go.

 

[LAJennifer]

The difference in incentive to lie about Ebay diamonds as opposed to 2 carat natural fancy blue diamonds is several million $$$.

Team Kenny with this one.