Blues anyone?

[AGBF]

Novel-You are amazing! Thank you so much for your detective work! I really, really love those blue stones! I only wish I weren't such a gold snob. To me 10K gold is not gold at all! Although I do have some 14K gold pieces (I love gold, so I like the pale, buttery yellow of 14K gold, too), I wear mainly high karat gold. The only piece of jewelry I wear all the time is my 24K gold wedding band. I really don't think I could wear a 10K band!

Deb/AGBF

 

[kenny]

Good job Novel.

At the bottom it says no stone treatment but, come on now, all those "blue" diamonds (natural) for only $367.
Okie Dokie, Then . . . Cough Cough!

Why thank you... I wish there were a curtsy-ing smiley.

I think its ignoring the blue diamonds altogether in the description, because just below where your screenshot cuts off, it says

"This dazzling diamond item is set in Pure 10k White Gold. Each one of the 100% real and natural diamonds is near colorless (H-color) with a gleaming clarity at I1. This popular design contains a total diamond weight of 1/2ct."

Yeah an irradiated blue can be a 100% real and natural diamond, if it was minded rather than lab-grown - but the slimeballs conveniently forgot to mention the all-important origin of that blue color.

 

[davi_el_mejor]

I think it's that the sample picture of the ring is missing two side baguettes.

 

[Novel]

Good job Novel.

At the bottom it says no stone treatment but, come on now, all those "blue" diamonds (natural) for only $367.
Okie Dokie, Then . . . Cough Cough!

Why thank you... I wish there were a curtsy-ing smiley.

I think its ignoring the blue diamonds altogether in the description, because just below where your screenshot cuts off, it says

"This dazzling diamond item is set in Pure 10k White Gold. Each one of the 100% real and natural diamonds is near colorless (H-color) with a gleaming clarity at I1. This popular design contains a total diamond weight of 1/2ct."

Yeah an irradiated blue can be a 100% real and natural diamond, if it was minded rather than lab-grown - but the slimeballs conveniently forgot to mention the all-important origin of that blue color.

They even say untreated. But since they call all the diamonds H color, they must only really be talking about the white diamonds, right? Meaning, leave all out mention of the blue and not have to disclose treatment!

And Deb, thanks! I love internet detective work. I'm with you on 10k gold....

 

[kenny]

Good job Novel.

At the bottom it says no stone treatment but, come on now, all those "blue" diamonds (natural) for only $367.
Okie Dokie, Then . . . Cough Cough!

Why thank you... I wish there were a curtsy-ing smiley.

I think its ignoring the blue diamonds altogether in the description, because just below where your screenshot cuts off, it says

"This dazzling diamond item is set in Pure 10k White Gold. Each one of the 100% real and natural diamonds is near colorless (H-color) with a gleaming clarity at I1. This popular design contains a total diamond weight of 1/2ct."

Yeah an irradiated blue can be a 100% real and natural diamond, if it was minded rather than lab-grown - but the slimeballs conveniently forgot to mention the all-important origin of that blue color.

They even say untreated. But since they call all the diamonds H color, they must only really be talking about the white diamonds, right? Meaning, leave all out mention of the blue and not have to disclose treatment!

And Deb, thanks! I love internet detective work. I'm with you on 10k gold....

Yeah, but what really gives the non-natural color origin away is the low price.

 

[VRBeauty]

If he chooses not to respond to this thread eventually, he loses all credibility within the PS community.

I do not agree and feel such a sweeping statement is not cool.
IMHO, he's under no obligation to us as a community or any of us individually.

He came here and got some advice.
I've expressed my opinion on what I'd do with the advice but what he does with it is his own business.

Clearly many here do not like Cuso because of many thing's he posted.
I do not like to see anyone ganged up on, regardless of whether they "behave" or not.

I totally agree with Kenny.

CUSO indicated that he wouldn't be posting anymore in a thread that was apparently aimed at embarrassing him (don't bother looking for it). I for one hope he has a change of heart, because I'd love to hear what if anything he did to have these stones checked out -- and the resulting verdict.

 

[kenny]

I kind of like Cuso.

Nothing wrong with that boy that a few years of living and banging up against people won't fix.

This community, while I love it, can be very intolerant to a person who dances a little differently.

 

[Imdanny]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

I think there's a third: Bury head in sand & continue to *believe*!

Isn't that what dreams are made of?

I think they look like topaz or something other than diamonds.

Why can't he do both? go to a jeweler or two, get them checked and then send them to GIA? I can't imagine 2, 3, 4 local jewelers could get it wrong?

Don't go to the jeweler! They'll steal those blue diamonds!

Send them to GIA and report back to us immediately!

 

[Imdanny]

Well I'm going to disagree with folks.

I wouldn't waste 200 bucks for a certificate for a stone that might a poorly cut zircon, a stimulant, or just glass. I would post on Rocky Talky for a recommendation of good shop local to you with a good bench that has nice gemstones. Then I would go and tell them that you were told these might be irradiated diamonds, synthetic sapphires, or zircons and you were wondering what the shop thought. Skip the Saudi story, keep details to a minimum, just say that they were inherited.

Honestly I would not even mention anything about natural blues because the chances that these are natural blue diamonds are in the billions. If the shop says that they might be diamonds (irradiated or not)... then I would send it to the GIA. I wouldn't spare them any additional effort unless they are diamonds or sapphires and not sims.

I wonder if people read my posts. I said it was checked twice and verified as diamonds. Look at my short history her, I have not posted any fakes on some very expensive items. Rather than me being frustrated with people suggesting I am full of crap, I am refraining from any more posts on these.

Not true. I read the entire thread until it was LOCKED, before it was deleted.

This is the post, where he said he wouldn't be posting in THIS thread.

 

[Imdanny]

I have one person here on ignore.
...

Clearly you don't like me because I tell the truth about RD, from whom you have purchased.

Please tell me it is not I! I am so enamored of your use of "whom" in the sentence above, that I would be crushed if it were I whom you

had blackballed!!!

Deb/AGBF

Don't worry. It's me! I'm hoping he'll forgive me soon!

 

[yssie]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Kenny please read posts before answering them. I asked where is the risk in my post prior and quoted Yssie to see if she could answer why it is a risk.

It has nothing to do with anything you said.

It was mentioned that there is a risk in taking a stone in hand to a jeweler and I cannot see why. That's what I want to know as I am curious where a risk in that is. If they say it is a diamond then send it to GIA. If they can see via loupe and with a tester that it is a zircon for example (not saying it is, but saying that it would be impossible to confuse a zircon with a diamond via a loupe and a diamond tester) then again I fail to see the risk.

So if you care to quote me again and answer, please address the *RISK* involved. I am curious to know if I am missing something.

I definitely see a risk in asking a jeweler to do *all* the testing, but not initial yes or no if it is a diamond. If they cannot determine then send to GIA.

Was busy, didn't get back 'til just now!

No risk in getting them tested at a local jeweller - unless he shows them pictures beforehand, tells them everything about the size, etc. and they're *not* so reliable afterall - and they switch his untreated natural blues for treated stones - or fakes. A jeweller has nothing to gain by switching someones certed 1ct diamond, but a disreputable one may decide he/she has much to gain by stealing from the ignorant (and CUSO is at this point ignorant, as he doesn't KNOW what he has).

If they do all the testing in front of him, then this is obviously not a concern.

 

[iLander]

CUSO indicated that he wouldn't be posting anymore in a thread that was apparently aimed at embarrassing him (don't bother looking for it). .

Actually, VRBeauty, he stopped posting because of this:

Well I'm going to disagree with folks.

I wouldn't waste 200 bucks for a certificate for a stone that might a poorly cut zircon, a stimulant, or just glass. I would post on Rocky Talky for a recommendation of good shop local to you with a good bench that has nice gemstones. Then I would go and tell them that you were told these might be irradiated diamonds, synthetic sapphires, or zircons and you were wondering what the shop thought. Skip the Saudi story, keep details to a minimum, just say that they were inherited.

Honestly I would not even mention anything about natural blues because the chances that these are natural blue diamonds are in the billions. If the shop says that they might be diamonds (irradiated or not)... then I would send it to the GIA. I wouldn't spare them any additional effort unless they are diamonds or sapphires and not sims.

I wonder if people read my posts. I said it was checked twice and verified as diamonds. Look at my short history her, I have not posted any fakes on some very expensive items. Rather than me being frustrated with people suggesting I am full of crap, I am refraining from any more posts on these.

 

[LAJennifer]

I kind of like Cuso.

Nothing wrong with that boy that a few years of living and banging up against people won't fix.

This community, while I love it, can be very intolerant to a person who dances a little differently.

This.

 

[Haven]

I kind of like Cuso.

Nothing wrong with that boy that a few years of living and banging up against people won't fix.

This community, while I love it, can be very intolerant to a person who dances a little differently.

This.

I agree.
PS has been especially nasty lately.

 

[VRBeauty]

If he chooses not to respond to this thread eventually, he loses all credibility within the PS community.

I do not agree and feel such a sweeping statement is not cool.
IMHO, he's under no obligation to us as a community or any of us individually.

He came here and got some advice.
I've expressed my opinion on what I'd do with the advice but what he does with it is his own business.

Clearly many here do not like Cuso because of many thing's he posted.
I do not like to see anyone ganged up on, regardless of whether they "behave" or not.

I totally agree with Kenny.

CUSO indicated that he wouldn't be posting anymore in a thread that was apparently aimed at embarrassing him (don't bother looking for it). I for one hope he has a change of heart, because I'd love to hear what if anything he did to have these stones checked out -- and the resulting verdict.

I want to apologize to the admins for referring to a thread that they had deleted.

The rest of my post still stands.

 

[Imdanny]

Yes, and it's still wrong, as two people have now told you.

 

[clgwli]

Can't he find a reputable jeweler who will test them for free regardless of what they are? My mom purchased two green sapphires for a great price and was told they were worth quite a bit of money. She gave them to me to sell and I called around and found someone to test them *for free* to see, if in fact, they are sapphires and it turned out they are. They also aren't worth anything. lol

MC-

There are two camps here. One, which includes Gypsy, you, and me believes that one can easily find a reputable jeweler and do just what you suggest. The other camp, represented by Kenny, believes that it is just not worth taking the the risk for the a couple of hundred dollars, when one can get a definitive answer quite quickly and easily from GIA. I think either is a reasonable alternative.

Deb/AGBF

Diamond testers can be bamboozled easily enough. Commercial refractometres will have scanning uncertainty.

With this much money at stake I'm in Kenny's camp, best to make absolutely sure by going to an unequivocally reliable source. A few hundred is nothing compared to what they might be worth if untreated natural diamonds.

Just saw your reply. I am still not understanding your point as to why a trusted jeweler is bad and I am totally curious.

A good jeweler would be able to tell very quickly if a stone is zircon vs diamond with just a loupe honestly. I don't think I've heard of a false negative for diamond testers. Someone in the trade can tell me but unless it's a POS tester it shouldn't say no to a diamond when it is one. I saw a video that claimed to show a stone test as diamond when it wasn't, but I am not sure I'd trust that video since the stone was double refractive and the store owner didn't see that through a loupe.

People vary.
If a trusted jeweler satisfies you in this scenario then that's fine.

Differing approaches just coexist.
One does not conquer the other or apply to all people.

People vary.

Kenny please read posts before answering them. I asked where is the risk in my post prior and quoted Yssie to see if she could answer why it is a risk.

It has nothing to do with anything you said.

It was mentioned that there is a risk in taking a stone in hand to a jeweler and I cannot see why. That's what I want to know as I am curious where a risk in that is. If they say it is a diamond then send it to GIA. If they can see via loupe and with a tester that it is a zircon for example (not saying it is, but saying that it would be impossible to confuse a zircon with a diamond via a loupe and a diamond tester) then again I fail to see the risk.

So if you care to quote me again and answer, please address the *RISK* involved. I am curious to know if I am missing something.

I definitely see a risk in asking a jeweler to do *all* the testing, but not initial yes or no if it is a diamond. If they cannot determine then send to GIA.

Was busy, didn't get back 'til just now!

No risk in getting them tested at a local jeweller - unless he shows them pictures beforehand, tells them everything about the size, etc. and they're *not* so reliable afterall - and they switch his untreated natural blues for treated stones - or fakes. A jeweller has nothing to gain by switching someones certed 1ct diamond, but a disreputable one may decide he/she has much to gain by stealing from the ignorant (and CUSO is at this point ignorant, as he doesn't KNOW what he has).

If they do all the testing in front of him, then this is obviously not a concern.

I do appreciate the reply. I was curious if I had missed something along the way or hadn't thought of something. I do agree that if you go in with all the information first before showing up even it would not be wise.

Thanks again! I do understand some wanting to just send to GIA. My fear would be losing them in the mail. Though if they are worth millions it would be worth it to fly out to drop off and pick up.

 

[labellavita81]

I kind of like Cuso.

Nothing wrong with that boy that a few years of living and banging up against people won't fix.

This community, while I love it, can be very intolerant to a person who dances a little differently.

This.

I agree.
PS has been especially nasty lately.

YUP!

 

[megeve]

Just thought that I put up a comprison pic. Can one see the difference between these stones? Like diamond crispness or RI?

 

[Rockdiamond]

I have not read all five pages- but based on the photo there's virtually no way those two stones are not color treated ( irradiated)

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Heres the thing...if Cuso wants to insure these stones, he needs an appraisal. So clearly it's in his best interest to get the most information possible. Kenny has the right attitude...by finding out the whole story, he's protecting himself.

On a side note, stop fighting over this, it's silly. You all are long time members who otherwise get along, and you're essentially fighting over the same thing! Who cares what Cuso does or doesn't do...but regardless it's absolutely NOT worth this arguing!

 

[LGK]

For any/everyone's further edification yes, you can set a diamond tester to say whatever the heck you want it to. It has two dials, which you can twiddle with endlessly. Set it all the way one way, anything you touch with it beeps and registers diamond. Set it all the way the other way, it's set right and will beep only if you touch a diamond, or metal.

In order to keep a diamond from testing as diamond, either move the tip of the tester away too quick before it beeps- it takes a second- or just put a nice big greasy thumbprint on the stone before testing it (or don't clean it). Dirty diamonds don't test, and most diamonds you see are too dirty to test right off the bat.

Why on earth they design diamond testers like that I don't know. But yes, someone familiar with one can make it do whatever they want it to, at least the model I use at work. The kind I have is fairly old though and doesn't differentiate moissanite, and I've never bothered to update it because moissanite doesn't look enough like diamond to worry about. Maybe newer models are different, but most I've seen are similar to mine.

 

[zhuzhu]

I kind of like Cuso.

Nothing wrong with that boy that a few years of living and banging up against people won't fix.

This community, while I love it, can be very intolerant to a person who dances a little differently.

This.

I agree.
PS has been especially nasty lately.

YUP!

Agree.

 

[soocool]

Come back CUSO!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Heres the thing...if Cuso wants to insure these stones, he needs an appraisal. So clearly it's in his best interest to get the most information possible. Kenny has the right attitude...by finding out the whole story, he's protecting himself.

On a side note, stop fighting over this, it's silly. You all are long time members who otherwise get along, and you're essentially fighting over the same thing! Who cares what Cuso does or doesn't do...but regardless it's absolutely NOT worth this arguing!

probably cost him over $1 mil per yr to insure the two stones...

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

[/quote]probably cost him over $1 mil per yr to insure the two stones... [/quote]

I was seriously thinking the same thing! I also wondered how much it would cost to insure the diamonds if he had them sent to GIA for appraisal. It might be cheaper to get on a flight with them and hand deliver them....lol...and safer too.

 

[Imdanny]

There are two camps, but both require choice and action.

Insofar as the two camps have suggestions, yes. However, it's unclear to me what the OP was expecting. This is PS, so if you post a picture of ostensibly $1 million worth of blue diamonds, you get questions and kind of technical replies.

To show something like this, and then have the stance, 'well, you can't question me' is naturally going to end up with a lot of speculation, and like you say, opposing camps giving advice.

I think this is a feature of PS, not a bug, but maybe one would have to post here for awhile to perceive it this way.

It's not our business whether the OP takes any of the advice we give him. It's very possible he wasn't looking for any.

 

[kenny]

It's not our business whether the OP takes any of the advice we give him. It's very possible he wasn't looking for any.

Good point Danny.
Perhaps I was out of line as the first to suggest the color may not be natural and what that meant to the value.
I suspect many thought they were not natural blue diamonds, but were too polite to be the first to say it.

But then again, isn't the purpose of PS more to educate than to indulge misinformation?
Don't we have a responsibility to speak up if someone believes something that may not be true, especially when so much money is at stake?

 

[Kaleigh]

It's not our business whether the OP takes any of the advice we give him. It's very possible he wasn't looking for any.

Good point Danny.
Perhaps I was out of line as the first to suggest the color may not natural and what that meant to the value.
I suspect many thought they were irradiated but were too polite to say it first.

But then again, isn't the purpose of PS more to educate than to indulge misinformation?
Don't we have a responsibility to speak up if someone believes something that is not true, especially when so much money is at stake?

I think great advice was given to the OP. That's all we can do. And the people reading this will learn something as well, so many people lurk and don't post. So this is educational and helpful. The OP may not come back, his choice. I wish him well.

 

[diva rose]

It's not our business whether the OP takes any of the advice we give him. It's very possible he wasn't looking for any.

Good point Danny.
Perhaps I was out of line as the first to suggest the color may not be natural and what that meant to the value.
I suspect many thought they were not natural blue diamonds, but were too polite to be the first to say it.

But then again, isn't the purpose of PS more to educate than to indulge misinformation?
Don't we have a responsibility to speak up if someone believes something that may not be true, especially when so much money is at stake?

Kenny - I don't think you were out of line at all. Also from what I have read so far from Cuso's posts - it sounded like he appreciated your input.

I believe he was offended by a particular post in this thread to which he replied he won't be posting anymore. Previous to that - his response was positive towards the comments in this thread.

I do hope he does come back, regardless of how he feels some PSers perceive him. After all, we are not all going to get along and like each other.