Designing a cup for my WX radiant

[Mjay]

I loved the pink/yellow, but …..
You had me at yellow and white

I know right! I was all about a fun piece but the yellow and white mock up has me questioning that.

 

[jjca]

I know right! I was all about a fun piece but the yellow and white mock up has me questioning that.

It’s a beautiful ring no matter what you choose! Looking forward to seeing the finished piece

 

[elle_71125]

The yellow and white is so classy but my goal was to make this a fun piece. Here’s the stone! I will probably take more pictures later. It is a sparkle bomb in person!

Ooh la la, she’s gorgeous! Ok, now I’m just gonna say it. You have to do pink and yellow. It’s meant to be. Look how yellow she already is!!

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

So if I do pink outer halo then pink shank as well? Im teetering back and forth.

That’s what I would do but I think the yellow shank is otherwise winning! I just feel like if the halo and shank are the same colour it looks more purposeful.

Your stone is gorgeous btw! This ring is going to be spectacular!!

The more I think about it the more I wouldn’t do the white shank/halo. Yes, it will look stunning, but it also seems like the kind of ring others would have (a classic). The pink lemonade is a fun twist on the classic! I love it. It’s chic. If this were your ering I’d lean more classic but since it isn’t, I’d go for the statement piece.

You could also do an all yellow ring - with a yellow double halo and yellow shank. Just a thought to confuse you further

ORRRRR you could do a two-tone shank as well. Almost like a tri-band shank where the central “band” is YG/YD and the outer “bands” are PG/PD. I know it sounds messy, but it won’t be if it’s cohesively designed! My ex-ering was like this - a yellow centre, with a YG/YD inner halo and a WG/WD outer halo. The shank was mostly WG/WD but had a central section that was YG/YD. It was stunning!!

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

That’s what I would do but I think the yellow shank is otherwise winning! I just feel like if the halo and shank are the same colour it looks more purposeful.

Your stone is gorgeous btw! This ring is going to be spectacular!!

The more I think about it the more I wouldn’t do the white shank/halo. Yes, it will look stunning, but it also seems like the kind of ring others would have (a classic). The pink lemonade is a fun twist on the classic! I love it. It’s chic. If this were your ering I’d lean more classic but since it isn’t, I’d go for the statement piece.

You could also do an all yellow ring - with a yellow double halo and yellow shank. Just a thought to confuse you further

ORRRRR you could do a two-tone shank as well. Almost like a tri-band shank where the central “band” is YG/YD and the outer “bands” are PG/PD. I know it sounds messy, but it won’t be if it’s cohesively designed! My ex-ering was like this - a yellow centre, with a YG/YD inner halo and a WG/WD outer halo. The shank was mostly WG/WD but had a central section that was YG/YD. It was stunning!!

To further explain how the shank of my ring was (I designed it, so I can’t find pics of it, but I can sketch it from memory if this isn’t clear) - you see how this ring has 3 distinct, separated bands? Mine had 3 bands with zero gaps, but the middle band (the YG/YD) was tapered (so the melee got smaller), causing the entire shank to look like a reverse taper shank. The pave only extended to the sides of the finger (half-pave) and the 3 bands became two about 3-4 stones before the pave ended; so the last 3-4 rows on either side were just double row WG/WD pave.

 

[Mjay]

So I know you guys are going to see me revive this thread and get excited that I set the stone but unfortunately I haven’t. I knew exactly what I wanted to do for this piece but the initial quote for what I wanted to do price shocked me. I was super bummed and took some time to think about adjustments. I removed the yellow diamond inner halo so now it’s just a single pink diamond halo and adjusted the gallery. When I got back to David, He was so slammed with the holiday rush that he didn’t respond to me for over three weeks. Then it was too close to Christmas for me to want to send it with all the holiday shipping craziness. I had planned to send it to him first thing in January, but then the fires broke out. My plan now is to reel this project in and send either this or my new Aqua ASAP. Initial CAD had these big groovy flowers with colored diamonds in them. I asked David to nix that gallery and replace it with open metalwork flowers. Again, I think he was super slammed in the holiday rush because he ignored that part of my email and instead just adjusted the existing flowers to remove the diamonds. I actually like it, but I’m not sure if its going to translate well to the finished ring? I can’t seem to get an idea of how it’s going to look and if it’s going to look good. I fear it’s going to look like metal blobs. I’m not sure if they are all yellow gold or if the center is yellow and petals are pink. What do you guys think? Will it look good or should I go with the open metal flowers.

Initial CAD:


New CAD:


What I asked for that he accidentally overlooked: gold metal daisies

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

So I know you guys are going to see me revive this thread and get excited that I set the stone but unfortunately I haven’t. I knew exactly what I wanted to do for this piece but the initial quote for what I wanted to do price shocked me. I was super bummed and took some time to think about adjustments. I removed the yellow diamond inner halo so now it’s just a single pink diamond halo and adjusted the gallery. When I got back to David, He was so slammed with the holiday rush that he didn’t respond to me for over three weeks. Then it was too close to Christmas for me to want to send it with all the holiday shipping craziness. I had planned to send it to him first thing in January, but then the fires broke out. My plan now is to reel this project in and send either this or my new Aqua ASAP. Initial CAD had these big groovy flowers with colored diamonds in them. I asked David to nix that gallery and replace it with open metalwork flowers. Again, I think he was super slammed in the holiday rush because he ignored that part of my email and instead just adjusted the existing flowers to remove the diamonds. I actually like it, but I’m not sure if its going to translate well to the finished ring? I can’t seem to get an idea of how it’s going to look and if it’s going to look good. I fear it’s going to look like metal blobs. I’m not sure if they are all yellow gold or if the center is yellow and petals are pink. What do you guys think? Will it look good or should I go with the open metal flowers.

Initial CAD:


New CAD:


What I asked for that he accidentally overlooked: gold metal daisies

Some thoughts - while the open metalwork flowers will look more delicate, they will expose the cup underneath. I think the reason David originally had flowers set with diamonds was so that the flowers looked delicate while still hiding the cup.

Ideas to explore: if you do flowers that are solid metal, I’d ask him to do some engraving or milgrain or something, or mirror polish, or even making the flowers smaller and adding more of them.

Alternately you can set them with sapphires instead of diamonds, or micropave instead of single diamond pieces. But I don’t know if the real cost comes from materials or labour.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I think it needs to be open metalwork. Filigree. I have found when that type of metal shaping like the daisies is done with cast methods it doesn’t look good to my eye.

 

[Dreamer_D]

It might be easier to replicate a design that he has used before. For example, he has kind of a double lotus shape leaf that he’s used many times on galleries that is quite beautiful and open and would look lovely on this design or he has other galleries on other haloes that you could borrow. I find it easier to do that and communicate clearly with a designer than I do sometimes starting from absolute scratch.

 

[mustangchi]

Some thoughts - while the open metalwork flowers will look more delicate, they will expose the cup underneath. I think the reason David originally had flowers set with diamonds was so that the flowers looked delicate while still hiding the cup.

Ideas to explore: if you do flowers that are solid metal, I’d ask him to do some engraving or milgrain or something, or mirror polish, or even making the flowers smaller and adding more of them.

Alternately you can set them with sapphires instead of diamonds, or micropave instead of single diamond pieces. But I don’t know if the real cost comes from materials or labour.

I think you are probably right about this, he did an existing design for me once and did a cup and he closed in the open areas of the gallery, I figure so the cup does not show from the underside.

 

[Mjay]

Some thoughts - while the open metalwork flowers will look more delicate, they will expose the cup underneath. I think the reason David originally had flowers set with diamonds was so that the flowers looked delicate while still hiding the cup.

Ideas to explore: if you do flowers that are solid metal, I’d ask him to do some engraving or milgrain or something, or mirror polish, or even making the flowers smaller and adding more of them.

Alternately you can set them with sapphires instead of diamonds, or micropave instead of single diamond pieces. But I don’t know if the real cost comes from materials or labour.

The original design was based on an inspiration photo that I sent so that’s why they are so large. I do prefer to hide the cup. I’ll continue to look for more inspiration. I had thought about using sapphires. In fact I came across a stunning piece that a pricescoper had commissioned years ago that had sapphire flowers in the gallery. My hesitation with that is I’m doing a pink diamond halo and yellow diamond shank so I feel that if I throw sapphires in there it might become a circus. I am however considering nixing the pink diamond halo and instead doing all yellow and a multicolored sapphire gallery. I can get the pink and yellow out of my system with another piece. I have both a yellow sapphire and a yellow tourmaline in my safe.

 

[Mjay]

I think it needs to be open metalwork. Filigree. I have found when that type of metal shaping like the daisies is done with cast methods it doesn’t look good to my eye.

The big blob daisies or the small open metalwork daisies don’t look good cast?

 

[Mjay]

It might be easier to replicate a design that he has used before. For example, he has kind of a double lotus shape leaf that he’s used many times on galleries that is quite beautiful and open and would look lovely on this design or he has other galleries on other haloes that you could borrow. I find it easier to do that and communicate clearly with a designer than I do sometimes starting from absolute scratch.

I searched his Instagram and couldn’t find anything that I liked. I’ll try to find the lotus. I do agree that it might be better to work with a designer on this piece since I’m so stuck on the gallery. David is amazing if you know exactly what you want. I am considering reaching out to Cassie or Steven Kirsch. I can just send David my aquamarine instead.

 

[Mjay]

I think you are probably right about this, he did an existing design for me once and did a cup and he closed in the open areas of the gallery, I figure so the cup does not show from the underside.

do you have a picture of your design with a cup?

 

[Dreamer_D]

I searched his Instagram and couldn’t find anything that I liked. I’ll try to find the lotus. I do agree that it might be better to work with a designer on this piece since I’m so stuck on the gallery. David is amazing if you know exactly what you want. I am considering reaching out to Cassie or Steven Kirsch. I can just send David my aquamarine instead.

I think you can achieve what you want with David but you need to know what you want! I used the word “designer” to just mean whoever you are working with in the design. I wasn’t saying to change vendors. I’ve worked with three vendors on custom pieces now and I’ve always found I needed to be clear on what I wanted, even people with “designer” in their title. YMMV of course. I’ve never seen SK or CVB do flowery fun galleries either so it’s unclear to me whether you’d have an easier time there.

I think the solid blobby daisies wont look good with cast fabrication. I think you can easily design delicate filigree style daisies that would look good.

Here are pictures of @Mreader lotus gallery in two different rings.





Also search @CHRISTY-DANIELLE and @elle_71125 threads as both have designed multiple halos with gorgeous filigree galleries.

Thank you very much!

I didn’t come up with the gallery. I had an Inspiration pic for the gallery (see below) and even then, I needed help finding a way to make it work with my particular setting. @ItsMainelyYou , @Rfisher , and @CHRISTY-DANIELLE were supremely helpful. Credit to @CHRISTY-DANIELLE for the drawing I ended up using.

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[mustangchi]

do you have a picture of your design with a cup?

I do have a thread on it here I just don’t think I posted pictures of the underside where you can see where he closed it in

 

[Mjay]

I think you can achieve what you want with David but you need to know what you want! I used the word “designer” to just mean whoever you are working with in the design. I wasn’t saying to change vendors. I’ve worked with three vendors on custom pieces now and I’ve always found I needed to be clear on what I wanted, even people with “designer” in their title. YMMV of course. I’ve never seen SK or CVB do flowery fun galleries either so it’s unclear to me whether you’d have an easier time there.

I think the solid blobby daisies wont look good with cast fabrication. I think you can easily design delicate filigree style daisies that would look good.

Here are pictures of @Mreader lotus gallery in two different rings.





Also search @CHRISTY-DANIELLE and @elle_71125 threads as both have designed multiple halos with gorgeous filigree galleries.

Thank you so much. I was hesitant about the “blob” daisies so I needed that reassurance. The smaller filigree daisies were my original design for the ring before I saw the blob daisies with the diamonds.

 

[Mjay]

Just came up with some adjustments and emailed David. Fingers crossed. I really want to get this dialed in.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Just came up with some adjustments and emailed David. Fingers crossed. I really want to get this dialed in.

Do you have much experience with custom design like this, where you are trying to achieve your own vision? I find persistence is needed and it always feels hopeless while less in the middle phase where you are now.

 

[Mjay]

Do you have much experience with custom design like this, where you are trying to achieve your own vision? I find persistence is needed and it always feels hopeless while less in the middle phase where you are now.

I have created several pieces with DK. All were pieces where I combined inspiration from various pictures of pieces that I had saved for inspiration. Most have been straight forward but one just has me stuck. Mostly because the initial idea that I had ended up being about 4K more than I had anticipated. I feel like I have an idea in my head but I can’t quite express it without visibly seeing a picture of it. I spent hours searching and finally found an image that I think communicates what I’m looking for. I’m confident that this next change might be perfect or at least very close to it.

 

[lovedogs]

I have created several pieces with DK. All were pieces where I combined inspiration from various pictures of pieces that I had saved for inspiration. Most have been straight forward but one just has me stuck. Mostly because the initial idea that I had ended up being about 4K more than I had anticipated. I feel like I have an idea in my head but I can’t quite express it without visibly seeing a picture of it. I spent hours searching and finally found an image that I think communicates what I’m looking for. I’m confident that this next change might be perfect or at least very close to it.

Fingers crossed. Excited to see the cad

 

[Dreamer_D]

I have created several pieces with DK. All were pieces where I combined inspiration from various pictures of pieces that I had saved for inspiration. Most have been straight forward but one just has me stuck. Mostly because the initial idea that I had ended up being about 4K more than I had anticipated. I feel like I have an idea in my head but I can’t quite express it without visibly seeing a picture of it. I spent hours searching and finally found an image that I think communicates what I’m looking for. I’m confident that this next change might be perfect or at least very close to it.

I’ve totally been there. I’m sure it will pay off for you.

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

The original design was based on an inspiration photo that I sent so that’s why they are so large. I do prefer to hide the cup. I’ll continue to look for more inspiration. I had thought about using sapphires. In fact I came across a stunning piece that a pricescoper had commissioned years ago that had sapphire flowers in the gallery. My hesitation with that is I’m doing a pink diamond halo and yellow diamond shank so I feel that if I throw sapphires in there it might become a circus. I am however considering nixing the pink diamond halo and instead doing all yellow and a multicolored sapphire gallery. I can get the pink and yellow out of my system with another piece. I have both a yellow sapphire and a yellow tourmaline in my safe.

I absolutely LOVE the idea of a yellow diamond halo and shank with a multicoloured sapphire gallery!

You could do a pink lemonade ring with the yellow sapphire - maybe with ombré pink sapphires. I am majorly digging that idea and actually might steal it haha.

 

[Mjay]

I absolutely LOVE the idea of a yellow diamond halo and shank with a multicoloured sapphire gallery!

You could do a pink lemonade ring with the yellow sapphire - maybe with ombré pink sapphires. I am majorly digging that idea and actually might steal it haha.

Right?! It would be gorgeous. I’m going to see how this next CAD comes out and go from there. The yellow sapphire is lab. It’s a gorgeous bright lemon yellow asscher cut by Gary but I honestly feel a bit less love for lab stones. I do have a huge near flawless natural yellow tourmaline cut by Jeff white that would be incredible with ombré pink sapphires. The cut is inspired by the Tiffany diamond. It doesn’t photograph well but it’s sooooo good.

 

[Mjay]

So the updated CAD (CAD 1) was just not it. I didn’t like how flat the flowers appeared and I felt that where the petals overlapped it would just blend together so I asked for another revision and better explained what I was looking for (CAD 2). He did exactly what I asked for and I really like it but I do see why he did with the overlap in CAD 1. In CAD 1 there were no gaps but the pedals were overlapping. Now that I asked for the petals to not overlap and just touch each other I have gaps. I do like it and I’m tempted to just approve it but could it be better with the gapping?

CAD 1:


CAD 2:




Right now I’m leaning on having him adjust/define the flowers in CAD 1 to look more like CAD 2 and request a wax to see how the overlapping looks irl

 

[Dreamer_D]

Hmmm. I don't think the overlap will be apparent when the metal is all a single plane because you won't see the "overlap", it will look like random cutouts in the gallery. I think there is a way to achieve what you want by changing the flower shapes and sizes so they fit the space better, without gaps. You might want to play around drawing on the CAD?

EDIT:

I might go back to these shapes, but in a filigree styleThere’s probably a way to fill the gape where the flowers connect to the gallery wi5h little swirls or something.




Or this design with engraving/carving on the daisy shapes could help add depth?

 

[Mjay]

Hmmm. I don't think the overlap will be apparent when the metal is all a single plane because you won't see the "overlap", it will look like random cutouts in the gallery. I think there is a way to achieve what you want by changing the flower shapes and sizes so they fit the space better, without gaps. You might want to play around drawing on the CAD?

EDIT:

I might go back to these shapes, but in a filigree styleThere’s probably a way to fill the gape where the flowers connect to the gallery wi5h little swirls or something.




Or this design with engraving/carving on the daisy shapes could help add depth?

Thank you. That’s exactly what I thought about CAD 1. The parts that overlap are just going to blend together and you’re not even going to be able to tell that they’re flowers. That’s why I had him adjust to CAD 2. I agree that CAD 2 can probably be reworked to better fill in gaps. The circled flower can easily be moved.


Or I could go back to the initial three flower design and use these new open petal flowers. This is all such a small area anyways that I think I’m overthinking it. Three flowers might be plenty and look great.

Ugh I was hoping I would be happy with the last CAD. Now I feel all over the place again.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Thank you. That’s exactly what I thought about CAD 1. The parts that overlap are just going to blend together and you’re not even going to be able to tell that they’re flowers. That’s why I had him adjust to CAD 2. I agree that CAD 2 can probably be reworked to better fill in gaps. The circled flower can easily be moved.


Or I could go back to the initial three flower design and use these new open petal flowers. This is all such a small area anyways that I think I’m overthinking it. Three flowers might be plenty and look great.

Ugh I was hoping I would be happy with the last CAD. Now I feel all over the place again.

You are in the thick of it when its so easy to give up! I had many moments like that in my five stone ring design too (and frankly, all my custom designs). I almost gave up and said "Fine! Use that!" about 2-3 times lol. But then I said, I'll just give it one more go. And then we got there so it was worth it. I think you are close!

FWIW I like the three flower design with open petal flowers. I think to scale it will allow more negative space to appreciate each flower compared to the busier design with multiple flowers.

 

[Mjay]

You are in the thick of it when its so easy to give up! I had many moments like that in my five stone ring design too (and frankly, all my custom designs). I almost gave up and said "Fine! Use that!" about 2-3 times lol. But then I said, I'll just give it one more go. And then we got there so it was worth it. I think you are close!

FWIW I like the three flower design with open petal flowers. I think to scale it will allow more negative space to appreciate each flower compared to the busier design with multiple flowers.

Thank you for the encouragement! I was excited to get the CAD today but it’s just still not it. I’m so close to throwing in the towel with this one. I can’t decide what my next move should be. I kind of want to see these new flowers with the 3 large design but I’m trying to really think it through. I feel like I’m being such a pain in the ass. We are on CAD #4 with this project. I wish I could photoshop.

 

[Mjay]

forgot to include my inspiration picture for the flowers. I’m wondering if I should enlongate the open space in the petals to touch the center like in my inspiration picture. My CAD looks a little more puffy. Am I right to assume the finished flowers will look more refined?