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yennyfire

yennyfire

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Gia 2121254054
3.01 ct

Gia 5111990567
3.06 ct

Will explain later, but really need help. Look eye clean...which stone is better on paper?
Thank you!
 
FWIW, the RB you're looking at scores a 5.3 on the HCA.

Light Return: Good
Fire: Fair
Scintillation: Fair
Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good

Total Visual Performance 5.3 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

How does it look?
 
Tx for doing the hca. I'm there now and they aren't forthcoming. Stone looks ok, not great.
 
E B said:
FWIW, the RB you're looking at scores a 5.3 on the HCA.

Light Return: Good
Fire: Fair
Scintillation: Fair
Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good

Total Visual Performance 5.3 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

How does it look?
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And it is VG by GIA. Those combined would make *me* pass. And if you think it does not look great, then there is the answer.

The cushion has an Ex Thick girdle, which is not great, but otherwise can't tell much from the report.
 
Tx dreamer. Definite pass on the round. The cushion looks pretty nice, but faces up a lot smaller than what I have. Have to decide btw clarity and size
 
Hey Yenny. Ditto on the RB.
Hope the cushion is good in real life.
Thinking of you.
 
You might find something much nicer just under the 3 ct. mark. Have you seen several diamonds today, or just these two?
 
The stone I bought my wife scored around 3 on the HCA.
Another round I find to be absolutely breathtaking is 5.5 on the HCA. I like it better than my wife's. Don't tell her that, K? :sun:
It's a big mistake to use HCA when you're viewing stones in person.

Many VG cut grade stones are as nice as other EX cut grade stones to a given individual- IOW, I've seen a lot of VG's that I preferredd to other EX cut grades.


I'm not saying you should buy any stone- but by allowing others who have not seen the diamonds to comment, you'll be doing yourself more harm than good.
Use your eyes Yenny

All due respect to the well meaning responses given so far.

Knowing a little of the back story, it would seem that you will need to be very careful.
My strongest suggestion is that you get a money back guaranteee in writing before you walk out.
Or, if that's impossible, a guarantee that allows you to get a different diamond if you're unhappy within a reasonable period- say 7 days.
Even three days will allow you to look at the stone in ways that will let you know if it's yours or not- and also give you the opportunity to meet with an appraiser in a neutral setting.
 
On iPhone, so not easy to type with two kids in tow, pls pardon short responses.

Saw 6 stones today...4 cushions, 1 radiant, 1 round...radiant was egl, d si2 (though for the life of me, I didn't see any inclusions. Turned it down b/c egl scared me. The other two cushions didn't appeal to me. Both si1, one eye clean one not. The round definitely lacked something and based on it's score, I guess I know what.

I left with the understanding that I wanted to think about my options. I'm concerned that the 3.01 cushion faces up pretty small and has a small table compared to the included stone I have now. I'm terrified that I'll be disappointed by it's size. He suggested setting it with brilliant traps, but (of course) there will be an additional charge for that (tbd) though I don't plan to give them another penny. Kids squabbling, have to run. Try to check back later.
 
Rockdiamond she said she does not think the round looks very good to her eye ;)) .

Yenny Gads this store is lame. One RB to choose? You need to narrow your shape choice so you can see more diamond, cannot they show you 3-4 of the shape in your preference?

I also think you may be trying to stretch your budget too far with this vendor and that is why you are not liking what you are seeing. To get a real stunner you may need to compromise size.
 
yennyfire said:
I left with the understanding that I wanted to think about my options. I'm concerned that the 3.01 cushion faces up pretty small and has a small table compared to the included stone I have now. I'm terrified that I'll be disappointed by it's size. He suggested setting it with brilliant traps, but (of course) there will be an additional charge for that (tbd) though I don't plan to give them another penny. Kids squabbling, have to run. Try to check back later.
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Have you considered an oval? Not to make things more difficult, but if you want size...

Here's a link to photos of Kaleigh's 2 ct. oval with half moon side stones. One of the most gorgeous (and loved) rings here:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ready-or-not.54834/
 
I'd use this as a learning experience and buy nothing.

Go home and buy from a good PS vendor using what you learned.
 
Kenny,
There's a lot of history to Yenny's stone and she's kind of stuck. I think the moderator removed the original threads but I know that Yenny will update everyone when she gets done.
 
Oh, was this the one where she's stuck with a B&M vendor and she's exchanging?
 
kenny said:
I'd use this as a learning experience and buy nothing.

Go home and buy from a good PS vendor using what you learned.
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this vendor got her by the balls.
 
yennyfire said:
Saw 6 stones today...4 cushions, 1 radiant, 1 round...radiant was egl, d si2 (though for the life of me, I didn't see any inclusions. Turned it down b/c egl scared me.
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EGL has high variance, so this is a problem when buying online. If you're looking at the diamond in person, and you like the look of it, there's no reason to not get it just because it has an EGL cert. All that matters is that you're getting a diamond of the quality stated in the papers.

To do a quick check on color:
It would be best to take it to an independent appraiser, but if this is not an option...If you're in a store that also has GIA (or AGS) stones, you can do a quick rough check of color by asking to see a D GIA and an E GIA (no preference as to shape, carat, clarity, or cut), and flip all 3 (the 2 GIA and the EGL) upside down on a flat white background (like a folded up piece of printer paper) under a florescent light. It's not perfect, but you'll see if the D color is way off (e.g., more yellow than the E).

If it's SI2 and eyeclean to you, that's the best you can ask for.

There's still symmetry and polish to consider, but if it looks good and the color and clarity are acceptable...go for it!
 
exactly what Dancing said. :)
 
Tx folks. Still not sure what to do. I want a stone that is worth the $32k we paid. Is that a g color si1 3.01 cushion? Is that fair? If so I'm ok with the stone though I will be damned if I give them another penny to set the stone or to trade bullet side stones for traps. Tx for your thoughts. Will keep your posted. :)
 
Yenny, was the appraiser with you today?
 
Tried using your ASET scope?
 
It looked pretty good with the aset scope. The appraiser ended up in court today, so he can see me Friday, but when I spike with him on the phone he mentioned how politically connected the malakov family is and it made me feel like he may not stick his neck out for me even though we're paying him. Not sure where that leaves us....
 
yennyfire said:
Tx folks. Still not sure what to do. I want a stone that is worth the $32k we paid. Is that a g color si1 3.01 cushion? Is that fair? If so I'm ok with the stone though I will be damned if I give them another penny to set the stone or to trade bullet side stones for traps. Tx for your thoughts. Will keep your posted. :)
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If you do a search here for cushions g color si clarity that are GIA graded, the prices range from 29-31k. Guess he's not too far off in price but no way to know how they compare to the stone you are looking at. Leon Mege has one listed for 29+k. His 32k is probably a bit on the high side - he should be throwing in the bullet side stones. I'd definitely get a professional to look at the stone before I agreed to it.

Good luck - wish we could be there to help!
 
yennyfire said:
It looked pretty good with the aset scope. The appraiser ended up in court today, so he can see me Friday, but when I spike with him on the phone he mentioned how politically connected the malakov family is and it made me feel like he may not stick his neck out for me even though we're paying him. Not sure where that leaves us....
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If he feels there is a conflict in interest, he should just say so and definitely not take your money. A biased appraiser is as good as none at all.

Is there anyone else in the NY area that you could pay to accompany you?
 
Yenny, but did you love the cushion you are looking at more than the one you have? Can he bring in a couple more for you to see while you are here?
 
MissGotRocks said:
If he feels there is a conflict in interest, he should just say so and definitely not take your money. A biased appraiser is as good as none at all.
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I beg to differ. A biased appraiser is worse than no appraiser. :cry:

I'm hoping this works out for you, yennyfire!
 
yennyfire said:
It looked pretty good with the aset scope. The appraiser ended up in court today, so he can see me Friday, but when I spike with him on the phone he mentioned how politically connected the malakov family is and it made me feel like he may not stick his neck out for me even though we're paying him. Not sure where that leaves us....
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Yenny,

In terms of cost and value its probably not a terrible deal just based on comparables I've seen.
I like the proportions(no immediate red flags) and as I mentioned before the stone you had was really shallow.
Do you notice a difference in the quality of the light performance of this one compared to your current? (In natural outside lighting?)?
I couldn't even guess what a decent ASET means to you you'd have to post it.
If you can get David to do a sarin scan (or malakov) and get a .srn file or get him to give you a digital ASET photograph that would be most helpful.

Overall given your time constraints and other factors I'm not sure where this leaves you? Other than size do you like the type of cushion this is? The outline? Have you seen it outside? under a table? With a loupe etc?
 
CCL, I have seen the stone with the loupe as wl
well as outside and it is definitely more pleasing to my eye than the current stone, though I think it faces up small for it's size. As you said though, the original faces up huge b/c it's so shallow. As for the aset image, I wish I could get to David before Friday so he could see the stone and possibly scan the aset image for me...at least then I could get your opinion too. I do think this stone is prettier than the one I have and I know I'm not happy with it, so my instinct is to take it to David on Friday and see what he says and if he doesn't see any flags, try to get malakov to do the trap side stones as part of an even exchange since the stone seems to be a.
bit on the high side.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. It's helped to "talk" it through. :)
 
yennyfire said:
CCL, I have seen the stone with the loupe as wl
well as outside and it is definitely more pleasing to my eye than the current stone, though I think it faces up small for it's size. As you said though, the original faces up huge b/c it's so shallow. As for the aset image, I wish I could get to David before Friday so he could see the stone and possibly scan the aset image for me...at least then I could get your opinion too. I do think this stone is prettier than the one I have and I know I'm not happy with it, so my instinct is to take it to David on Friday and see what he says and if he doesn't see any flags, try to get malakov to do the trap side stones as part of an even exchange since the stone seems to be a.
bit on the high side.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. It's helped to "talk" it through. :)
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Just a hail mary shot in the dark, but ask Malakov if they have heard of the Antique Cutting House that does antique 8 main cushions. The family name is Krik (Benjamin and Fromm) they cut stones in NYC. A "connected" family like Malakhov should have heard of them :saint: .

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/diamonds/5121166077-63.html

GIA Report

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/ind...tVerification&reportno=5121166077&weight=2.56

If they could get you this stone(or something similar from this cutter) it would leave you uplenty of room to get the trap or bullet sidestones.
 
yennyfire said:
CCL, I have seen the stone with the loupe as wl
well as outside and it is definitely more pleasing to my eye than the current stone, though I think it faces up small for it's size. As you said though, the original faces up huge b/c it's so shallow. As for the aset image, I wish I could get to David before Friday so he could see the stone and possibly scan the aset image for me...at least then I could get your opinion too. I do think this stone is prettier than the one I have and I know I'm not happy with it, so my instinct is to take it to David on Friday and see what he says and if he doesn't see any flags, try to get malakov to do the trap side stones as part of an even exchange since the stone seems to be a.
bit on the high side.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. It's helped to "talk" it through. :)
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Just a hail mary shot in the dark, but ask Malakov if they have heard of the Antique Cutting House that does antique 8 main cushions. The family name is Krik (Benjamin and Fromm) they cut stones in NYC. A "connected" family like Malakhov should have heard of them :saint: .

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/diamonds/5121166077-63.html

GIA Report

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/ind...tVerification&reportno=5121166077&weight=2.56

If they could get you this stone(or something similar from this cutter) it would leave you uplenty of room to get the trap or bullet sidestones.
 
yennyfire said:
CCL, I have seen the stone with the loupe as wl
well as outside and it is definitely more pleasing to my eye than the current stone, though I think it faces up small for it's size. As you said though, the original faces up huge b/c it's so shallow. As for the aset image, I wish I could get to David before Friday so he could see the stone and possibly scan the aset image for me...at least then I could get your opinion too. I do think this stone is prettier than the one I have and I know I'm not happy with it, so my instinct is to take it to David on Friday and see what he says and if he doesn't see any flags, try to get malakov to do the trap side stones as part of an even exchange since the stone seems to be a.
bit on the high side.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. It's helped to "talk" it through. :)
Click to expand...

Just a hail mary shot in the dark, but ask Malakov if they have heard of the Antique Cutting House that does antique 8 main cushions. The family name is Krik (Benjamin and Fromm) they cut stones in NYC. A "connected" family like Malakhov should have heard of them :saint: .

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/diamonds/5121166077-63.html

GIA Report

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/ind...tVerification&reportno=5121166077&weight=2.56

If they could get you this stone(or something similar from this cutter) it would leave you uplenty of room to get the trap or bullet sidestones.
 
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