Found a 3 carat round super ideal cut I IF diamond for ~$37k
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Agree, too deep and for a 35.5% Crown Angle, you want a 40.6% Pavilion Angle.
Generally you want to be in the the green column, the amber or yellow columns in this table can potentially work too. If the GIA cert does not sit within these numbers, we will not recommend the stone. Acceptable depth is not going to be anything over 62.5% and that is generous.
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Read this:
Diamond Proportions
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If you are willing to go under 3 ct and still want to stick to VS2 better, this one might be worth looking at:
www.jamesallen.com
This one isn't going to be as well cut as an ACA from Whiteflash but at least the proportions are in the recommended ranges. Crown and pavilion angles complement each other, table size is on the larger side of recommended but and lower girdle facet of 80 will work for this combo. Only thing is the 50 star facet may be not great here, 45 would be a better match to make the crown less steep. This diamond will be biased on the fire (rainbow flashes) side - the fiery balanced amber column in the table.
2.70 Carat round diamond
This 2.7 carat round diamond I color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com
This one isn't going to be as well cut as an ACA from Whiteflash but at least the proportions are in the recommended ranges. Crown and pavilion angles complement each other, table size is on the larger side of recommended but and lower girdle facet of 80 will work for this combo. Only thing is the 50 star facet may be not great here, 45 would be a better match to make the crown less steep. This diamond will be biased on the fire (rainbow flashes) side - the fiery balanced amber column in the table.
Agree, too deep and for a 35.5% Crown Angle, you want a 40.6% Pavilion Angle.
Generally you want to be in the the green column, the amber or yellow columns in this table can potentially work too. If the GIA cert does not sit within these numbers, we will not recommend the stone. Acceptable depth is not going to be anything over 62.5% and that is generous.
This is helpful!
If you are willing to go under 3 ct and still want to stick to VS2 better, this one might be worth looking at:
2.70 Carat round diamond
This 2.7 carat round diamond I color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
This one isn't going to be as well cut as an ACA from Whiteflash but at least the proportions are in the recommended ranges. Crown and pavilion angles complement each other, table size is on the larger side of recommended but and lower girdle facet of 80 will work for this combo. Only thing is the 50 star facet may be not great here, 45 would be a better match to make the crown less steep. This diamond will be biased on the fire (rainbow flashes) side - the fiery balanced amber column in the table.
I do like this one. Thanks the recommendation.
Are you saying the 3.024 from WF is a better option?
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Found these at JA this morning:
SBF, HCA 1.3(LR: x, F: x SC: x, SP: vg)
www.jamesallen.com
www.gia.edu
MBF, HCA 1.5 (LR: x, F: x SC: x, SP:vg)
www.jamesallen.com
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MBF, HCA 2.3 (all:vg)
This one will definitely need an ASET/IdealScope to check for potential leakage due to the 40.6/36.5 combo, but the center looks nice and bright when you pan it back and forth. May be an exception, but impossible to discern without advanced images.
www.jamesallen.com
www.gia.edu
SBF, HCA 1.3(LR: x, F: x SC: x, SP: vg)
3.02 Carat round diamond
This 3.02 carat round diamond H color vvs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com
GIA - Report Check
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MBF, HCA 1.5 (LR: x, F: x SC: x, SP:vg)
3.01 Carat round diamond
This 3.01 carat round diamond I color si1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com
GIA - Report Check
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MBF, HCA 2.3 (all:vg)
This one will definitely need an ASET/IdealScope to check for potential leakage due to the 40.6/36.5 combo, but the center looks nice and bright when you pan it back and forth. May be an exception, but impossible to discern without advanced images.
3.56 Carat round diamond
This 3.56 carat round diamond I color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com
GIA - Report Check
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The WF ACAs I'm referring to are these:
I vs J to compare tinting:
3.177 J SI1
Diamond | 3.177 ct J SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4187474
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 3.177 carat J color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4187474www.whiteflash.com
2.916 I SI1
Diamond | 2.916 ct I SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4429335
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.916 carat I color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4429335www.whiteflash.com
2.694 I SI1:
Diamond | 2.694 ct I SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4396559
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.694 carat I color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4396559www.whiteflash.com
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The angles/proportions look good and is worth investigating I think. Not sure if Adiamor can provide Idealscope/ASET or H&A images but worth asking! There is an inclusion near the edge around the 3 to 4 o'clock mark that can be seen in the video but he can ask about it at the same time if he contacts Adiamor. That inclusion could be fine and be eye clean.
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Beautiful proportions.
Grade-setting inclusion right over an arrowhead to be easily covered by prong...doesn't get much better than that for a VS2-SI1.
I can't tell for certain if there is some darkening of the bezel facets (facets containing the arrowheads), but that is something to have verified.
If all checks out, then this one should definitely go on nickdee's short list!
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This is a very good question actually!
Some people are more color sensitive and would prefer a smaller stone with better color, especially for anything over 2ct. I'm one of those people for example, so I understand.
Agree, too deep and for a 35.5% Crown Angle, you want a 40.6% Pavilion Angle.
Generally you want to be in the the green column, the amber or yellow columns in this table can potentially work too. If the GIA cert does not sit within these numbers, we will not recommend the stone. Acceptable depth is not going to be anything over 62.5% and that is generous.
3.22 Carat I VVS2 Round Brilliant Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D47130964
3.22 carat, Round, I Color, VVS2 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D47130964
www.adiamor.com
it seems to hit all the categories from the above table.
and whoever recommended this website, thank you. Looks like lots of good diamonds on there!
Good question. We have. We cannot notice much different. This will be in a rose gold solitaire setting as well. Which I am told hides the color some as well.
And this is for my future wife
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How about this one?3.22 Carat I VVS2 Round Brilliant Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D47130964
3.22 carat, Round, I Color, VVS2 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D47130964
it seems to hit all the categories from the above table.
and whoever recommended this website, thank you. Looks like lots of good diamonds on there!
I think this one looks like a good option! It's 34/41, which should play together reasonably well (perhaps be a touch biased towards brightness and white light, but I usually like that look). Did you run it through the HCA? Adiamor is a preferred vendor (I think) so if you enter the GIA cert number in the PS diamond search it should show up and you should get the HCA result for free. I think this would fall in the AGS Ideal range as well as being GIA Ex, and I don't see anything alarming in the video (though I'm no expert).
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Here's a 3.02 H VVS2 with a 40.6/35.5/56 combo, but does have SBF...have them check it out to assess if it goes hazy when in UV light.
Here's a 3.02 H VVS2 with a 40.6/35.5/56 combo, but does have SBF...have them check it out to assess if it goes hazy when in UV light.
This is an H color! Thanks for posting this. I am going to do the HCA. BRB.
Edit: see attachment. This was scores 1.3.
I think we are getting somewhere.
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1.5 vs 1.3 as such is fine. The HCA is foremost a rejection tool, and it has passed both these stones.
Personally, though I like/don’t mind fluorescence, I think the I/VVS2/MF is a safer bet than the H/VVS2/SBF; especially since the setting will be in rose gold. SBF makes me nervous buying unseen. Plus the +0.25mm is a nice bonus!
Personally, though I like/don’t mind fluorescence, I think the I/VVS2/MF is a safer bet than the H/VVS2/SBF; especially since the setting will be in rose gold. SBF makes me nervous buying unseen. Plus the +0.25mm is a nice bonus!
Do you think it is OK to buy a stone online without every looking at it in person?
He other stones I was interested in had been shipped in to look at before purchase.
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SBF shouldn't automatically be ruled as a deal-breaker, but it does need to be properly assessed on a case by case basis to determine if it's a deal-breaker for each individual diamond. If you were shopping in the D-E-F color range, then I would say it's better to play it safer than safe and stick with none to faint, although medium can provide some amazing bang for the buck options as long as the fluorescence doesn't detract from the appearance and color.
4cs.gia.edu
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Is Diamond Fluorescence Good or Bad?
What is diamond fluorescence? Should you buy (or not buy) a diamond because of it? GIA sheds some light on this often misunderstood phenomenon.
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A Contribution to Understanding the Effect of Blue Fluorescence on the Appearance of Diamonds | Gems & Gemology
Four sets of very similar round brilliant diamondswere selected for the different commonly encountered strengths of blue fluorescence they represented.
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Keep in mind, the bigger the stone the more color that shows. So if you saw an I/J that was 1 carat, it’ll be more visible in the size you’re afterGood question. We have. We cannot notice much different. This will be in a rose gold solitaire setting as well. Which I am told hides the color some as well.
And this is for my future wife
I just wanted to mention. I’m biased bc I’d much rather have a smaller whiter stone so just wanted to say something in case!
I also love icy white in colored metals as well as white metals. But this is all personal preference
And congrats on your engagement
SBF shouldn't automatically be ruled as a deal-breaker, but it does need to be properly assessed on a case by case basis to determine if it's a deal-breaker for each individual diamond. If you were shopping in the D-E-F color range, then I would say it's better to play it safer than safe and stick with none to faint, although medium can provide some amazing bang for the buck options as long as the fluorescence doesn't detract from the appearance and color.
Is Diamond Fluorescence Good or Bad?
What is diamond fluorescence? Should you buy (or not buy) a diamond because of it? GIA sheds some light on this often misunderstood phenomenon.
A Contribution to Understanding the Effect of Blue Fluorescence on the Appearance of Diamonds | Gems & Gemology
Four sets of very similar round brilliant diamondswere selected for the different commonly encountered strengths of blue fluorescence they represented.
I’ve read fluorescence makes the stone look more white if it’s an I color.
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To make this a little easier, for a ring stone and ideal cut measurements:
table: 54-57
depth: 60-62.3
crown angle: 34-35 (up to 35.5 if the pav. angle is 40,6)
pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9
No, the setting doesn't really "hide color", but rose gold is very pretty for an I color diamond! Just be sure the head/prongs that holds the stone is in platinum. It's not good for the prongs to be rose gold or they will reflect in the diamond.Good question. We have. We cannot notice much different. This will be in a rose gold solitaire setting as well. Which I am told hides the color some as well.
And this is for my future wife
That's not always true, either. I color is I color. I personally love fluorescence, but the biggest discounts for that are in colorless stones. Here's more info if you are interested.
Diamond Fluorescence: Everything You Need To Know
How is diamond fluorescence graded? Will I see fluorescence in diamonds? Learn how fluorescence impacts diamond value here.
www.pricescope.com
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Victor Canera
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Wire price is 2k above your budget, however a bonus here is that Victor’s settings are absolutely beautiful.
Do you know what setting you are interested in getting? (Sorry if I missed it- I know you mentioned rose gold)
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Not really tough. you'll just have to pay more for a well cut stone.
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This is one thing we will always agree on lol
Hey all. I want to say I am so pleasantly overwhelmed and I have so much gratitude for everyone that had helped me out in this thread. I have learned so much and I am so glad I came here! I spoke to my GF and and she would prefer an H over an I.
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Choices were
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I personally like the I better. But she would prefer an H diamond. So do you think that’s a good decision to go with the H even though the cut is not as good and it has SBF?
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3.22 Carat I VVS2 Round Brilliant Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D47130964
3.22 carat, Round, I Color, VVS2 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D47130964
www.adiamor.com
I personally like the I better. But she would prefer an H diamond. So do you think that’s a good decision to go with the H even though the cut is not as good and it has SBF?
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Hey all. I want to say I am so pleasantly overwhelmed and I have so much gratitude for everyone that had helped me out in this thread. I have learned so much and I am so glad I came here! I spoke to my GF and and she would prefer an H over an I.
The two
Choices were
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2.3.22 Carat I VVS2 Round Brilliant Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D47130964
3.22 carat, Round, I Color, VVS2 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D47130964
I personally like the I better. But she would prefer an H diamond. So do you think that’s a good decision to go with the H even though the cut is not as good and it has SBF?
It’s not that the cut isn’t as good, because an HCA below 2 doesn’t imply anything about how good/not good the cut is. It’s not a range. The stone just needs to be assessed to make sure the SBF doesn’t have a negative affect on the stone, and that your girlfriend will not mind that it will go a bit blue in the sunlight.
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