G & G Winter 2014 - Argyle tender

[Marlow]

There is an awesome article about the Argyle tender - be careful - it is dangerous!!

 

[SparkliesLuver]

Marlow, I think you got too excited and forgot to post the article.

Is this it?

http://www.gia.edu/gems-gemology/winter-2014-pink-to-red-diamonds-30th-argyle-diamond-tender

 

[lilmosun]

But it's not really dangerous when you can't come close to affording it

 

[SparkliesLuver]

So, so true lilmosun.

 

[T L]

Not a fan of red diamonds, but I love when they have pinks and rare violets in the Tender.

I think the one on the left is ugly, but I love the one on the right. I don't get caught up in an FCD just because it's a rare color. I enjoy ones that are beautiful in color, no matter the rarity level.

 

[Marlow]

I don't forget the link - was sitting in the morming inthe train - weak internet.

I like the stone on the right!!!!!!!

Unfortunately the picture quality is not so good now - what happened - they look fotoshopped...

 

[SparkliesLuver]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

 

[Marlow]

Yes - very nice benni.

 

[pregcurious]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

I like the benitoite better. I guess that is good for my pocket book.

It's very hard to capture the beauty of FCDs in a picture.

 

[minousbijoux]

What are the plans for the mine once its closed? The area of excavation is huge - like its own city. So what becomes of it?

 

[T L]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

I like the benitoite better. I guess that is good for my pocket book.

It's very hard to capture the beauty of FCDs in a picture.

I've seen red diamonds in person, and they don't really sparkle that much, too dark. Although I will say that it is true that a still photo cannot truly capture the true beauty of an FCD.

 

[LoversKites]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

I like the benitoite better. I guess that is good for my pocket book.

It's very hard to capture the beauty of FCDs in a picture.

I've seen red diamonds in person, and they don't really sparkle that much, too dark. Although I will say that it is true that a still photo cannot truly capture the true beauty of an FCD.

some deep pinks look like reds to me
http://www.leibish.com/pink-diamond/039ct-fancy-deep-pink-oval-vvs1-10639-6035

 

[T L]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

I like the benitoite better. I guess that is good for my pocket book.

It's very hard to capture the beauty of FCDs in a picture.

I've seen red diamonds in person, and they don't really sparkle that much, too dark. Although I will say that it is true that a still photo cannot truly capture the true beauty of an FCD.

some deep pinks look like reds to me
http://www.leibish.com/pink-diamond/039ct-fancy-deep-pink-oval-vvs1-10639-6035

I don't get why that's not a fancy brownish red, or fancy orangy red, but I'm not an FCD expert.

 

[LoversKites]

The one on the right reminds me of this benitoite from Brad.

I like the benitoite better. I guess that is good for my pocket book.

It's very hard to capture the beauty of FCDs in a picture.

I've seen red diamonds in person, and they don't really sparkle that much, too dark. Although I will say that it is true that a still photo cannot truly capture the true beauty of an FCD.

some deep pinks look like reds to me
http://www.leibish.com/pink-diamond/039ct-fancy-deep-pink-oval-vvs1-10639-6035

I don't get why that's not a fancy brownish red, or fancy orangy red, but I'm not an FCD expert.

Yeah I agree. This one should at least be considered to have a brown modifier
http://www.leibish.com/pink-diamond/047ct-fancy-deep-pink-cushion-si1-124543-18569

 

[Marlow]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???

http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???

http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

 

[T L]

Most blue diamonds have substantial grey, even the Hope diamond has substantial grey, so I don't know how they classify them without grey. However, at least blue diamonds sparkle. My favorite blue diamond is the "blue moon" diamond. It's amazing color for a blue diamond.

To me, this is one of the ugliest diamonds on Leibish's site (and they have mostly beauiful gems), but this is just awful IMHO. However, because it has a touch of blue, or perhaps you can "imagine" the blue, look at the price.

http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/152ct-fancy-blue-gray-round-i1-72366-14145

Even the video doesn't help the poor thing.

 

[Marlow]

Is it still a I 1 if you see black inclusion in the middle of the stone without magnification???

But here i see a bit blue but not in the one I posted.

Looks like an ebay stone.....

 

[LoversKites]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

If that's true it's pretty scary, considering how heavily GIA's colour grades affect price.

 

[Marlow]

Yes - a 0,3 ct fancy grey is def. not 7000 Dollar.

I got such grey stones on Ebay for around 100 Dollar - untreated and unheated per vendor - will send them step by step to GIA.

Synthetic would be higher in price - maybe "accidents" HPHT or irradiated - but who wants grey....

We will see.....

 

[chrono]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

Marlow,
I agree with everything you posted. It is mind boggling how lax GIA is on the rarer colours.

 

[T L]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

Marlow,
I agree with everything you posted. It is mind boggling how lax GIA is on the rarer colours.

It's scary how one piece of paper can make a gem worth 100x more than it normally would be worth without it.

And keep in mind that fancy reds don't have saturation levels like intnese, vivid, deep, etc. . . because if it's red, no matter the saturation, it's worth $$$$$$, even if it's "brownish brick red."

 

[Marlow]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

Marlow,
I agree with everything you posted. It is mind boggling how lax GIA is on the rarer colours.

Or special vendors....

I bred cats and showed them - many times the owner won - not the cat....

 

[minousbijoux]

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Or special vendors....

I bred cats and showed them - many times the owner won - not the cat....

This is great!

 

[LoversKites]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

Marlow,
I agree with everything you posted. It is mind boggling how lax GIA is on the rarer colours.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. I wanted to start a thread about it a while ago but since people have very high respect for GIA's opinion on colour I didn't want to ruffle feathers.

 

[Marlow]

Some grey diamond ( 0,07 - 0,32 ct ) you see some blue or violet??? None of them was more than $ 100 !!

 

[T L]

Sometimes I think if they want a special color in the report they get it...

Same with some bluish or violettish grey - I see pure grey!! O.K. - there is a cool grey, grey and a warm grey but is it enough to call them bluish grey?

I agree both are def. a bit brown - still beautiful but brownish pink or brownish orange pink.

What do you see here...grey???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/071ct-fancy-grey-round-si1-29526-8552

Do you see enough blue to pay 7300 for a 0,30 ct???
http://www.leibish.com/gray-diamond/030ct-fancy-bluish-gray-pear-10956-4996

In the first I see a fancy greyish brown and the second is fancy grey.

Marlow,
I agree with everything you posted. It is mind boggling how lax GIA is on the rarer colours.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. I wanted to start a thread about it a while ago but since people have very high respect for GIA's opinion on colour I didn't want to ruffle feathers.

The other problem with GIA's grading of FCD's is that there are many levels of saturation in one particular "GIA level." For example, "fancy intense yellow" can look very saturated or not. The fact that there are no saturation levels on "fancy reds" is disturbing to me considering the prices. However, they're considered the "go to" place for FCD's by the trade, so that's why they're recommended here, but I wish there was a better grading system for FCD's. I have no issue with how they grade white diamonds.

Therefore, the moral of the story is that one should not just take the GIA report into account, but they should really get educated on any specific color they're looking for on an FCD. I've seen all too many times where someone didn't understand why a GIA report said one thing, but the diamond didn't look to reflect that saturation/hue.

I think Kenny is someone who takes both the GIA report into account, while buying stones that he thinks are beautiful and well reflect what the GIA report states. Those kind of collectors really know what they're doing. I would never buy a GIA fancy red that looked like a brick orangy red, even if I were Bill Gates.

 

[Marlow]

TL,

I checked James Allen today - fancy vivid yellow rounds - so many different hues + saturation for the same color grade.

I agree they could ( should) develope a system like vivid 1-5, intense 1-5 ......

"Your" brick orange red ( my opinion too) is still a beautiful and rare diamond but not fancy red!!

What I really dislike is that they tell the people that they get a better color grade if they recut it and lose only some 1/100 ct.

This is imo not possible. I bought a larger yellow scapolite rough - Uli cut a fine 7+ Liquid flower and send another piece to Sri Lanka - they cut a 1 ct stone - of course there was a different intensity.

But not only a few 1/100 ct....

 

[T L]

"Your" brick orange red ( my opinion too) is still a beautiful and rare diamond but not fancy red!!

I actually dislike that diamond very much. The "red" on the report means nothing to me, because I find it is a very unattractive color, highly included, and it probably doesn't sparkle very much IRL. I've seen nicer reds than that one, but red is not my favorite FCD color (quite the opposite). I prefer the purplish pinks and lighter pinks to red diamonds. The most beautiful FCD I ever saw in person was a fancy orange pink diamond that positively glowed. It was like what all padparadschas wished they could be. Of course at several million dollars, it was worth that money, but not this orangy brick red thing.

 

[Marlow]

Ahh - you mean the Argyle tender stone - I thought the oval fancy deep pink (a bit brownish too) LoversKites posted....

 

[T L]

Ahh - you mean the Argyle tender stone - I thought the oval fancy deep pink (a bit brownish too) LoversKites posted....

The one LK posted isn't my favorite color, too brownish, but at least it's clean. However, yes, I was referring to the oval I posted (next to the fancy shape stone way above).