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AGBF said:
That used to be true, before Trump. Since Trump, it is no longer true. The Lincoln Project proves it. Anyone with intelligence has either left the Republican Party officially or is opposing Donald Trump being president by voting to remove him from office, like Senator Mitt Romney.

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The Lincoln Project

The Lincoln Project is a leading U.S. pro-democracy organization dedicated to the preservation, protection, and defense of democracy.
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Partisan Never Trumper garbage for an election year. Those people want status quo for all in DC.
 
Trump is probably right, in the US it could go away without a vaccine, in order to do that it will kill several hundred thousand to half a million+ people and everyone will get infected. It's called herd immunity. It eliminates the elderly, the sick, the overweight, socially disadvantaged, and doctors and nurses that have constant exposure to it, in a higher % than anyone else. I guess he's banking on most of them not being his voters....
 
Boy thanks for a great chuckle this morning.



kenny said:
This is wonderful news. :clap:
I'm so relieved!
Whewww!

I'm gonna vote for this great man in November!

news.yahoo.com

Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine'

President Trump on Friday broke with health experts, telling reporters that the coronavirus will “go away without a vaccine.”
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President Trump on Friday broke with health experts, telling reporters that the coronavirus will “go away without a vaccine.”

“This is going to go away without a vaccine, it’s gonna go away, and we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time,” Trump said at the White House. “You may have some flare-ups, and I guess I would expect that.”
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Calliecake said:
Since yesterday one of Trump’s personal valet’s tested positive, Pence’s press secretary tested positive and now it’s being reported that Ivanka’s personal assistant has tested positive for Covid-19. I think things are hitting a little too close to home for Trump now. They may want to actually listen to what the scientists and doctors have been recommending.

It will be interesting to see how many more cases show up in the White House.
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And I read that several secret service members have also tested positive.
 
Honestly I think I’m just tired of trying to respond to the “but Trump said” or “I saw in this video..” comments.

Either respect my medical degree and professional opinion or don’t. I’m largely done trying to engage in arguments if the baseline assumption is that a politician’s understanding of the science of this pandemic is equal to my own. Or that Fox News (or CNN for that matter) is as reliable as the academic hospital system I work for. There’s enough going on that is bad for morale without me looking for trouble lol.

Also statements like “it’s as likely” for vaccines vs fizzling is dangerous because of the logical fallacy it sets up for many people that 1) these are the only 2 likely outcomes (it’s like saying it’s equally likely my cat will suddenly grow a red beard or a green one) and 2) one of these is a very active process that requires engagement and so how likely a vaccine is to work will very much depend on how much it’s chased and funded. Science regularly achieves things it has previously not been able to do, but only through dedicated effort. Trump making statements that it might just go away is actively harmful to the effort of supporting and striving for a vaccine or continue to wear masks and practice reasonable social distancing.

I’m all for offering hope, in fact I’d say I’m one of the more optimistic people I know about all this. But it needs to be done responsibly. Yes I think we can survive this and reopen things if it’s done reasonably and responsibly and people continue to act in the best interest of their neighbors and not just themselves. We will overcome this through informed actions, not misinformation or falling for a false sense of normalcy.
 
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MakingTheGrade said:
Honestly I think I’m just tired of trying to respond to the “but Trump said” or “I saw in this video..” comments.

Either respect my medical degree and professional opinion or don’t. I’m largely done trying to engage in arguments if the baseline assumption is that a politician’s understanding of the science of this pandemic is equal to my own. Or that Fox News is as reliable as the academic hospital system I work for. There’s enough going on that is bad for morale without me looking for trouble lol.

Also statements like “it’s as likely” for vaccines vs fizzling is dangerous because of the logical fallacy it sets up for many people that 1) these are the only 2 likely outcomes (it’s like saying it’s equally likely my cat will suddenly grow a red beard or a green one) and 2) one of these is a very active process that requires engagement and so how likely a vaccine is to work will very much depend on how much it’s chased and funded. Science regularly achieves things it has previously not been able to do, but only through dedicated effort. Trump making statements that it might just go away is actively harmful to the effort of supporting and striving for a vaccine or continue to wear masks and practice reasonable social distancing.

I’m all for offering hope, in fact I’d say I’m one of the more optimistic people I know about all this. But it needs to be done responsibly. Yes I think we can survive this and reopen things if it’s done reasonably and responsibly and people continue to act in the best interest of their neighbors and not just themselves. We will overcome this through informed actions, not misinformation or falling for a false sense of normalcy.
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Could you run for president and make Shale your VP? Please and thank you.
 
JPie said:
Could you run for president and make Shale your VP? Please and thank you.
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Ugh the idea of politics makes me queasy lol. I do not have the stomach or tongue for it! I once was volun-told to do a radio interview on behalf of my hospital department on a topic I knew super well and I still sounded like a chipmunk on cocaine from my nerves! Hilariously the only “performance” thing I was good at was when I did competitive fighting because the nerves worked in my favor!

That being said, my cat would make a boss VP. He has a face meant for camera and is very vocal. F34AE492-8812-4236-91A5-3EC32DD56CC3.jpeg
 
MakingTheGrade said:
Ugh the idea of politics makes me queasy lol. I do not have the stomach or tongue for it! I once was volun-told to do a radio interview on behalf of my hospital department on a topic I knew super well and I still sounded like a chipmunk on cocaine from my nerves! Hilariously the only “performance” thing I was good at was when I did competitive fighting because the nerves worked in my favor!

That being said, my cat would make a boss VP. He has a face meant for camera and is very vocal. F34AE492-8812-4236-91A5-3EC32DD56CC3.jpeg
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That face! :kiss2:
 
1ofakind said:
Doesn’t anyone hope he’s right??
There’s never been a successful vaccine for a human Coronavirus so thinking it will work this time may be a very long shot. And several of them have just fizzled out.

It would be pretty awesome if that happens this time because then this version is not likely to reappear and we could get out of SIP! At this point it would be the best case scenario...
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@MakingTheGrade I didn’t say there’s a good chance it fizzles out. But it has happened before with some strains while there has never been a vaccine for any strain.
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You're missing a lot of information here, so what you're saying misrepresents the situation. I'm going to try to rectify that based on my understanding. (@MakingTheGrade, if I've given incorrect information here, please correct me. I don't have an official medical background; I'm just a "layperson" who's always been very interested in learning about medical things, and I've been trying hard to understand this virus and illness. I'm eager to learn and to NOT spread any misinformation.)

@MakingTheGrade is absolutely correct - "how likely a vaccine is to work will very much depend on how much it’s chased and funded." Coronaviruses that cause minor illnesses - what we think of as common colds, like those caused by several adenoviruses and rhinoviruses, etc. - just haven't had the same financial incentives behind them to go through all the (expensive) research, trials, and administrative hoops to have success. SARS was a different situation - it was an extremely serious illness, and the interest and funds were there. There were missteps along the way, but a viable vaccine was well on the way for it when the funding dried up because the virus "fizzled out". If the funding hadn't dried up, there is every reason to believe that there would have been a vaccine that would have at least been reasonably effective.

This brings me to the "fizzle out" phenomenon. Although researchers can't be 100% certain, there are pretty reasonable and likely theories as to why SARS "fizzled out", and many of these deal with the way the virus interacts with us, it's hosts. Remember that what is ideal for a virus is to infect a host, replicate in the host to the point where the host becomes able to infect others, and then do exactly that - infect as many other hosts as possible before the initial host is no longer able to spread it, whether that's by avoiding contact with others, destroying the virus through their immune response, or dying. The ways that SARS-CoV-1 affected its human hosts in SARS made it less "successful" in this way. It would make people very, very sick very quickly; when that happens, people take to their beds rather than continue to go to work, run errands, socialize, etc. As a consequence, the host would not have nearly as much opportunity to spread the virus to other hosts. It didn't "thrive" and replicate as well in the body as SARS-CoV-2 does. It also killed a lot of its hosts - around 10%. (MERS was even worse - about 35%.) So it made people too sick to circulate by the time they were contagious, didn't thrive as well in the body, and killed 10% of its hosts, preventing them from spreading it. (There were probably other factors involved such as mutations and such that I don't have remotely enough knowledge to speak to.)

SARS-CoV-2 is different in critical ways. It has a long incubation period. It replicates well before necessarily triggering a level of immune response that makes the host feel very sick; this means people are at their most contagious a couple of days before they even feel any symptoms, and during the initial phase of symptoms, which for many tend to start off mild before they become really, or dangerously, ill. That provides TONS of opportunity for others to be infected, as the initial host is unaware they are ill or only feel a little off and are likely continuing to circulate in society normally. (And as we all know by now, some lucky folks either never get symptoms or only get mild ones, and can spread it with great abandon! Of course, those who they spread it to may not be so lucky.) It thrives much better in the body than in the case of SARS. It takes longer in most cases to kill a host, and it doesn't kill as many (although still an unacceptably high number). All of these things make it a much more successful virus in the human species, and really reduce the likelihood that it will "fizzle out". Experts cannot rule it out completely, but they are very clear that the likelihood is pretty darn small.
 
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@MakingTheGrade - I don’t think I have posted this before. It is a video from the Canadian physicians choir Voices Rock Medicine in Toronto. It is so hauntingly beautiful and brings tears to my eyes every time I watch it.

Thank you to you and all the other physicians and healthcare professionals who are working tirelessly and without fanfare. You are heroes!

 
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@MakingTheGrade - I don’t think I have posted this before. It is a video from the Canadian physicians choir Voices Rock Medicine in Toronto. It is so hauntingly beautiful and brings tears to my eyes every time I watch it.

Thank you to you and all the other physicians and healthcare professionals who are working tirelessly and without fanfare. You are heroes!

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Loved this so much. Thanks for sharing with us @Poodles4me :love:
 
MakingTheGrade said:
Ugh the idea of politics makes me queasy lol. I do not have the stomach or tongue for it! I once was volun-told to do a radio interview on behalf of my hospital department on a topic I knew super well and I still sounded like a chipmunk on cocaine from my nerves! Hilariously the only “performance” thing I was good at was when I did competitive fighting because the nerves worked in my favor!

That being said, my cat would make a boss VP. He has a face meant for camera and is very vocal. F34AE492-8812-4236-91A5-3EC32DD56CC3.jpeg
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That face :love: Those teeth:love: Awww I so want to hug him @MakingTheGrade. Please hug him from me if you don't mind. Big but gentle (((hugs))) and also if it's OK give him a big fat kiss from me too on his lips. He is a love bug!!!
 
I saw post on the web about the same thing that was said by a Doctor, in comparing the beginning virus and the virus now (which showed a change and how it is diminishing over time and that people would be come immune to it)
 
autumngems said:
I saw post on the web about the same thing that was said by a Doctor, in comparing the beginning virus and the virus now (which showed a change and how it is diminishing over time and that people would be come immune to it)
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But because Trump said it it is not acceptable here...even if it ends up being true.



There may never be a vaccine and no one yet has said what happens in that scenario.
 
autumngems said:
I saw post on the web about the same thing that was said by a Doctor, in comparing the beginning virus and the virus now (which showed a change and how it is diminishing over time and that people would be come immune to it)
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1ofakind said:
But because Trump said it it is not acceptable here...even if it ends up being true.



There may never be a vaccine and no one yet has said what happens in that scenario.
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It's not diminishing over time--the virus is still rapidly spreading. Granted in some places the spread has plateau'd and/or decreased due to intensive isolation/social distancing/contract tracing. But it isn't just magically disappearing. And yes, people will become immune. No one has argued that immunity won't happen. The question is: how many people will die while waiting for herd immunity? If we let the disease run rampant herd immunity will happen eventually, but so will MANY deaths. Since people don't want that, we are taking steps like isolating/distancing/tracing to slow the spread. Slowing the spread means also slowing down how quickly herd immunity happens, but on the balance of lots dead vs. less dead, most of us would agree that less dead people is better, even if it means that immunity takes longer.

A vaccine might not happen, but some treatment will happen. A vaccine wouldn't be entirely necessary if we found a medication (or combination of meds) that made the virus significantly less deadly.

It has nothing to do with "Trump said it, so it's not acceptable". What Trump said was stupid, unfounded, and irresponsible. As usual.
 
1ofakind said:
There may never be a vaccine and no one yet has said what happens in that scenario.
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Then the whole country can retire till we come up with a vaccine.
 
1ofakind said:
But because Trump said it it is not acceptable here...even if it ends up being true.



There may never be a vaccine and no one yet has said what happens in that scenario.
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You're pushing an agenda here. It's already been pointed out to you based on the opinions and expertise of people who study these things for a living why it is unlikely that the virus will "fizzle out," and why it is likely, albeit not guaranteed, that there will eventually be a vaccine of some effectiveness. Me pointing this out to you has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with correcting misinformation in a pandemic. It's "not acceptable here" because it's misinformation in a public health emergency. Period.

As far as in the (unlikely) event that we don't find a vaccine, or that it takes longer than expected, to quote @lovedogs:
lovedogs said:
A vaccine might not happen, but some treatment will happen. A vaccine wouldn't be entirely necessary if we found a medication (or combination of meds) that made the virus significantly less deadly.
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What agenda do you think I am pushing?
 
Dancing Fire said:
What state do you live in?
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Want to try to guess?
I live in a state that, according to our governor‘s plan, may never be fully reopen and if it does he has plans for taxes so high I may never be able to retire. It is at least 2 states away from being warm. :cry2:

Good luck! :)
 
1ofakind said:
Want to try to guess?
I live in a state that, according to our governor‘s plan, may never be fully reopen and if it does he has plans for taxes so high I may never be able to retire. It is at least 2 states away from being warm. :cry2:

Good luck! :)
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Michigan or Illinois?
 
yes one of those....there’s a clue in my post that determines which one.

You can do it!!
 
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