Great news from The President of the United States of America

[the_mother_thing]

Then the whole country can retire till we come up with a vaccine.

Ahhhh I can hear the constituent calls pouring into congress-members’ offices now ...


Because peeps will expect Trump to - again - be all ...


Because let’s face it, it’ll be even harder to sneak into first class and latch onto a sugar-daddy anytime soon ...


I mean, Governors (who played loosey-goosey with their state budgets for years) have already been complaining ...


So, somewhere in DC ... fiscally-responsible officials will be again be made out as “bad guys/gals” for asking ...


Then, eventually after we have a vaccine, people largely get back to work, and things return to “normal”, we’ll get the tax bill ...


And we all remember there are only two true “killer viruses“ ...


So, let’s all just hope we can soon give COVID-19 the only appropriate salute ...

 

[autumngems]

It's not diminishing over time--the virus is still rapidly spreading. Granted in some places the spread has plateau'd and/or decreased due to intensive isolation/social distancing/contract tracing. But it isn't just magically disappearing. And yes, people will become immune. No one has argued that immunity won't happen. The question is: how many people will die while waiting for herd immunity? If we let the disease run rampant herd immunity will happen eventually, but so will MANY deaths. Since people don't want that, we are taking steps like isolating/distancing/tracing to slow the spread. Slowing the spread means also slowing down how quickly herd immunity happens, but on the balance of lots dead vs. less dead, most of us would agree that less dead people is better, even if it means that immunity takes longer.

A vaccine might not happen, but some treatment will happen. A vaccine wouldn't be entirely necessary if we found a medication (or combination of meds) that made the virus significantly less deadly.

It has nothing to do with "Trump said it, so it's not acceptable". What Trump said was stupid, unfounded, and irresponsible. As usual.

FYI: By diminishing they meant becoming less potent, not disappearing.

 

[1ofakind]

Your Gov. is Pritzker ?

 

[Demon]

I saw post on the web about the same thing that was said by a Doctor, in comparing the beginning virus and the virus now (which showed a change and how it is diminishing over time and that people would be come immune to it)

Why don't you share it?

 

[Matata]

autumngems said:
I saw post on the web about the same thing that was said by a Doctor, in comparing the beginning virus and the virus now (which showed a change and how it is diminishing over time and that people would be come immune to it)

QUOTE="Demon, post: 4736826, member: 36900"]
Why don't you share it?

I'm curious about what mutations mean for covid-19, googled "covid-19 mutations" and found the same level of uncertainty that permeates most hypotheses about the potential of this virus. Some believe it will become more contagious but less lethal and some believe the opposite. We're still in an uncomfortable waiting game.

COVID-19 Will Mutate — What That Means for a Vaccine

The new coronavirus has already mutated a handful of times, which has many people wondering whether the mutations could lead to a more severe, deadlier disease. But the new mutations are extremely similar to the original virus and don’t seem to be any more aggressive.

www.healthline.com

Scientists discover unique mutation of new coronavirus

A mutation in the genetic code of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could lessen the virus's ability to replicate and wreak harm.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[missy]

I don't have any answers but if I had to (make an educated) guess the virus should eventually become less lethal just because if it doesn't it will die out itself and that goes against the very nature of these things. Its very success depends on keeping the host alive.

But it could become more deadly with the second wave as the influenza 1918 pandemic IIRC. So many many more lives are potentially at stake until it eventually becomes less lethal.

Of course this is all conjecture and I could be completely wrong. We don't know anything for sure yet.

1918 Pandemic Influenza: Three Waves | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

1918 Pandemic Influenza: Three Waves - CDC

www.cdc.gov

 

[autumngems]

Why don't you share it?

I did not save it, however if I do see it again I will post it.

 

[MakingTheGrade]

While it’s totally reasonable to say the virus is as equally likely to mutate to less deadly as more deadly, it remains true that the baseline current version is fairly lethal compared to other coronaviruses. So a more lethal mutation (let’s say by 20% mortality) makes it a worse nightmare, a less lethal mutation by the same margin makes it... probably still a problem that will require behavioral and regulatory adaptions.

I’m definitely hoping for the best, but even in a realistic best it’s unlikey to mutate into being benign like a cold anytime soon. So it doesn’t really change how I’d plan for it.

Reasonable distancing, wear masks, limit unnecessary travel. It think it’s 50/50 if things get better or worse from here based on traits of the virus itself, but even if it gets better I don’t think it’ll get “everything is normal again” level of better where crowded concerts or packed churches will be wise.

I imagine the next year will be a lot of weighing risks and benefits. Small family gathering with precautions, opening of public spaces that maintain distancing, adapted school and work schedules with forms of staggering to minimize outbreak potention. Not lock down but not back to baseline either.

 

[Dancing Fire]

@1ofakind ,You should move to S.F. where everything in FREE including hotels, drugs and alcohol.

Debate ensues over San Francisco providing alcohol, drugs to homeless in hotels

The department said the drugs "help guests successfully complete isolation and quarantine and have significant individual and public health benefits in the COVID-19 pandemic."

www.ktvu.com

 

[OboeGal]

What agenda do you think I am pushing?

You're coming across as pushing an agenda of "a vaccine is unlikely" and "the virus will fizzle out", and that the only reason people here and in general are pushing back on those is because Trump said it. I can't speak for every person, but I can assure you that most of those pushing back in general, and this includes myself, are doing so because the science doesn't support that stance at this time.

 

[1ofakind]

You're coming across as pushing an agenda of "a vaccine is unlikely" and "the virus will fizzle out", and that the only reason people here and in general are pushing back on those is because Trump said it. I can't speak for every person, but I can assure you that most of those pushing back in general, and this includes myself, are doing so because the science doesn't support that stance at this time.

Who are you quoting because I didn’t say those things.

 

[1ofakind]

@1ofakind ,You should move to S.F. where everything in FREE including hotels, drugs and alcohol.

Debate ensues over San Francisco providing alcohol, drugs to homeless in hotels

The department said the drugs "help guests successfully complete isolation and quarantine and have significant individual and public health benefits in the COVID-19 pandemic."

www.ktvu.com

But the trade off is homeless drug addicts defecating in the streets and dropping needles. Also, Nancy Pelosi. I think I can do better.

 

[OboeGal]

Who are you quoting because I didn’t say those things.

You.

You are coming across that way concerning the virus and a vaccine, at least to me. If that is not how you intend to come across, or is not what you think, please feel free to correct that with a more accurate description of your position.

Here is where you said that the push-back was because of Trump - as well as an example where you seem to keep pushing the "no vaccine" scenario:

But because Trump said it it is not acceptable here...even if it ends up being true.



There may never be a vaccine and no one yet has said what happens in that scenario.

 

[Queenie60]

But the trade off is homeless drug addicts defecating in the streets and dropping needles. Also, Nancy Pelosi. I think I can do better.

Yes, you can do much better. SF is a shameful pit. They have ruined a beautiful city - our family would enjoy San Francisco several times during the year. You couldn't get me to go there (45 minutes away) for anything to spend my hard earned money and to be screamed at and pissed on by homeless crazy people. They need to help these people and do something to clean up SF. Sorry for ranting, it upsets me so very much that our beautiful city has been taken over by this and the politicians are promoting it with the free alcohol and drugs. So bad and such a shame.

 

[lovedogs]

Yes, you can do much better. SF is a shameful pit. They have ruined a beautiful city - our family would enjoy San Francisco several times during the year. You couldn't get me to go there (45 minutes away) for anything to spend my hard earned money and to be screamed at and pissed on by homeless crazy people. They need to help these people and do something to clean up SF. Sorry for ranting, it upsets me so very much that our beautiful city has been taken over by this and the politicians are promoting it with the free alcohol and drugs. So bad and such a shame.

"Promoting it with free alcohol and drugs"? That is a gross mis-characterization of what is happening. SF is too crowded for me so I'm not saying it's a perfect paradise or anything, and I agree that the city needs to do more to help their homeless population. But the idea that homeless people are "crazy" is also pretty offensive.

 

[Queenie60]

"Promoting it with free alcohol and drugs"? That is a gross mis-characterization of what is happening. SF is too crowded for me so I'm not saying it's a perfect paradise or anything, and I agree that the city needs to do more to help their homeless population. But the idea that homeless people are "crazy" is also pretty offensive.

Have you been there recently? I have and have watched these people scream in the streets, try to get their dogs to bite people passing by and being downright threatening. It has happened to me personally and it's a scary situation. And as leaving the city, there were two men pissing in the middle of the street. Pretty crazy to me.

 

[Matata]

And there ya have it folks. If we didn't test, we wouldn't have any coronavirus cases. Can he be any more stupid.

Trump seems to think there’d be no coronavirus if there was no testing. It doesn’t work like that.

Trump says “if we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.” Nope.

www.vox.com

 

[kenny]

What an idiot!
America is the laughing stock of the world.

 

[AGBF]

Have you been there recently? I have and have watched these people scream in the streets, try to get their dogs to bite people passing by and being downright threatening. It has happened to me personally and it's a scary situation. And as leaving the city, there were two men pissing in the middle of the street. Pretty crazy to me.

I have not been to San Francisco in years, but homelessness is a problem-a huge problem-in the United States because there is not enough affordable housing. (There is also a very broken system for mental health care into which no one wants to invest any money.)

Blaming the victims of homelessness and a lack of medical care does not fix the problem. We have to address the huge wealth gap in the United States, the lack of health care for vulnerable poulations (including very poor care for veterans*), and the willingness of society to invest in tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy rather than for the infrastructure (namely housing).

*I refer to the terrible lack of masks in VA hospitals around the country. If anyone has seen how lacking they are, he would be shocked.

VA memo shows, despite denials, veterans' hospitals have struggled to meet PPE demands

A recent Department of Veterans Affairs memo warns that current protective medical gear supply levels "do not support providing a mask" to all staff at its hospitals and urges facility directors around the country to take steps toward conserving personal protective equipment (PPE) amid the...

www.cnn.com

 

[Dancing Fire]

Blaming the victims of homelessness and a lack of medical care does not fix the problem.

So, Handing out free drugs and alcohol to the homeless will help to fix the problem?. The cities with the highest crime are run by Dem. Mayors.

 

[Tekate]

Why are THEY(???) handing out FREE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL? answer me that.. what did they say they were doing and why?

No one cares about democratic mayors or republican ones for that matter. More republican mayors prohibit a woman's right to choose what to do with her body, but it's tangential to why SF supplied these items to the homeless.

So, Handing out free drugs and alcohol to the homeless will help to fix the problem?. The cities with the highest crime are run by Dem. Mayors.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Why are THEY(???) handing out FREE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL? answer me that.. what did they say they were doing and why?

I have no idea.. handing out more drugs to drug addicts is not a solution to the problem...

 

[Tekate]

IF you have no idea then you should find out before inferring that there is something wrong with their doing this, I personally think it's a good idea.

I have no idea.. handing out more drugs to drug addicts is not a solution to the problem...

 

[Dancing Fire]

IF you have no idea then you should find out before inferring that there is something wrong with their doing this, I personally think it's a good idea.

I should go to SF for some FREE booze.

 

[Queenie60]

It is my understanding that SF is leasing several hotel rooms to house the homeless in order to keep the most vulnerable homeless off of the streets as to keep the covid from spreading amongst them. They are having a problem with homeless coming in from other parts of the state and asking for a hotel room. Before they enter isolation, they're screened to determine their substance addictions and asked whether they would like support to reduce or stop their use. Methadone, cannabis, tobacco and alcohol are provided to many in isolation as a harm-reduction technique aimed at helping people successfully complete quarantine. The dollars to fund this is said to be coming out of San Francisco's General Fund.

 

[Tekate]

If you are homeless and addicted I would think you would qualify, not sure if you are??? Seems these homeless are being housed in hotels to keep the off the streets to not spread covid-19 or get the virus as @Queenie60 also posted.

SF gives methadone, alcohol, cannabis to some addicts and homeless isolating from coronavirus in hotels

San Francisco’s health department is administering alcohol, cannabis and methadone to...

www.sfchronicle.com

snip in case you can't open the above article:

"No taxpayer money was being used to administer the substances to hotel guests, Lane said, only private donations.

There are around 270 people in city-leased hotel rooms who are waiting out self-isolation or quarantine periods, most of whom are homeless. Other rooms have been set aside for vulnerable homeless people who may not require COVID-19 isolation or quarantine."

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cures.

Benjamin Franklin

I should go to SF for some FREE booze.

 

[Tekate]

not according to SFgate

SF confirms it's giving drugs to homeless in hotels in 'limited quantities'

The San Francisco Department of Public Health said in a statement that in some cases...

www.sfgate.com

SFDPH jumped in, tweeting that administering the drugs is a harm-reduction technique aimed at helping people successfully complete quarantine. The city also clarified that the drugs are not being paid for with taxpayer money.

Please post a url where you read that the drugs etc are being paid for by the SF General Fund and homeless from other parts of the state are relocating to SF. Ty

FYI if you are interested in how the GF is funded.

Your money at work: San Francisco’s General Fund (Part 2 of 3)

Your money at work: San Francisco’s General Fund (Part 2 of 3)

www.marinatimes.com

It is my understanding that SF is leasing several hotel rooms to house the homeless in order to keep the most vulnerable homeless off of the streets as to keep the covid from spreading amongst them. They are having a problem with homeless coming in from other parts of the state and asking for a hotel room. Before they enter isolation, they're screened to determine their substance addictions and asked whether they would like support to reduce or stop their use. Methadone, cannabis, tobacco and alcohol are provided to many in isolation as a harm-reduction technique aimed at helping people successfully complete quarantine. The dollars to fund this is said to be coming out of San Francisco's General Fund.

 

[Dancing Fire]

snip in case you can't open the above article:

"No taxpayer money was being used to administer the substances to hotel guests, Lane said, only private donations.

Taxpayer's money or not it is not a good idea to give more drugs to a drug addict...This can only happen in a far left state like Ca.

 

[Queenie60]

One problem surfacing - because of the hotel rooms reserved for the at risk homeless, the homeless population in San Francisco will most likely increase. Homeless from all over the state of California are coming to SF to get a hotel room, and will probably stay. As a result, the streets will be even more unsafe than pre-covid times.

 

[lovedogs]

Taxpayer's money or not it is not a good idea to give more drugs to a drug addict...This can only happen in a far left state like Ca.

I don't think you understand how this works. Please read about addiction before making these comments