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Halo Help!!
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kels, I imagine you'd have to have the entire halo made over just like Gypsy did. I see no way they can change it to have less metal as it is. Same with Frankie, she had 3 versions before she got hers like she wanted. But she paid full price three times.
(note to Charmy: even though LM, SK, and VC are the pave masters, I have to say, Maytal's is still top notch compared to the jewelers most people can access. She was very reasonably priced when she did my daughter's wedding band last year. And I recently got a quote for a different style (but small) halo from Victor and the quote was $5500! So I think he has gone up along with his popularity!)
(note to Charmy: even though LM, SK, and VC are the pave masters, I have to say, Maytal's is still top notch compared to the jewelers most people can access. She was very reasonably priced when she did my daughter's wedding band last year. And I recently got a quote for a different style (but small) halo from Victor and the quote was $5500! So I think he has gone up along with his popularity!)
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HI Frankie,
Thank you for all your insight and what YOU would like MY ring to look like... That's always greatly appreciated..?
First of all many of the "Bullets of the revisions you would like done to my ring" were none of my concerns. The only questions I had regarding my ring was for the halo part in general, not the prongs and whether they were claw or not, not the height of my diamond(I like that it's above my halo and not flush), He talked about shaving the underside of my halo down, but if you read this thread, many people thought negatively of that, and it really doesn't affect the specific area that I would like to be tweaked.
I don't appreciate you completely ripping apart my ring, to make it more like your own. Especially when I didn't ask for advice on many of those specific areas you mentioned. I didn't come on here and say, " I would like my ring to look like Frankie's exactly, so can someone tell me exactly what to do to my setting to make it that way" The only questions I asked were for people's comments on the HALO part, and if "V" slits could be added to my setting. Most people think it's not possible to do to my setting as mine is a cast setting. YOu must not have seen that as this was also in your list of "things to re-do" to do to what you think is a setting with many irregularities.
I also, don't care about what the profile of my halo looks like, nor do I care if it's tilted, etc.. AGAIN i didn't come onto this site, to ask people about the profile of my setting. So yes, I am a bit offended that you would make a list of revisions to MY setting to make it look exactly like YOURS, when that was never my question or concern. Your ring is your ring, and that's what you like, but that doesn't mean that I want to change all aspects of MY ring.
Thank you for all your insight and what YOU would like MY ring to look like... That's always greatly appreciated..?
First of all many of the "Bullets of the revisions you would like done to my ring" were none of my concerns. The only questions I had regarding my ring was for the halo part in general, not the prongs and whether they were claw or not, not the height of my diamond(I like that it's above my halo and not flush), He talked about shaving the underside of my halo down, but if you read this thread, many people thought negatively of that, and it really doesn't affect the specific area that I would like to be tweaked.
I don't appreciate you completely ripping apart my ring, to make it more like your own. Especially when I didn't ask for advice on many of those specific areas you mentioned. I didn't come on here and say, " I would like my ring to look like Frankie's exactly, so can someone tell me exactly what to do to my setting to make it that way" The only questions I asked were for people's comments on the HALO part, and if "V" slits could be added to my setting. Most people think it's not possible to do to my setting as mine is a cast setting. YOu must not have seen that as this was also in your list of "things to re-do" to do to what you think is a setting with many irregularities.
I also, don't care about what the profile of my halo looks like, nor do I care if it's tilted, etc.. AGAIN i didn't come onto this site, to ask people about the profile of my setting. So yes, I am a bit offended that you would make a list of revisions to MY setting to make it look exactly like YOURS, when that was never my question or concern. Your ring is your ring, and that's what you like, but that doesn't mean that I want to change all aspects of MY ring.
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frankiextah|1324101911|3083286 said:
Actually, that's not correct. 95 Plat/5 Ruthenium is stronger. It is what both Tiffany and Co. and Leon use.
95% platinum (950) - alloyed with 5% ruthenium - Vickers hardness = 135
90% platinum (900) - alloyed with 10% iridium - Vickers hardness = 110
From http://www.mwmjewelry.com/platinum_purity.htm
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laila, i think tiffany uses the 95% plat and 5% iridium version... i remember visiting one of the stores and being told that... i might be wrong though!
95% plat with 5% ruthenium is "harder", but it is less malleable and therefore it is harder to work with especially with delicate settings. it is also proned to "cracking" rather than "denting" when faced with a significant blow.
95% plat with 5% ruthenium is "harder", but it is less malleable and therefore it is harder to work with especially with delicate settings. it is also proned to "cracking" rather than "denting" when faced with a significant blow.
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frankiextah|1324108322|3083312 said:
No, The exceptional beauty of Tiffany Platinum is due to its extraordinary purity. Tiffany Platinum is proudly certified 95% pure platinum and 5% ruthenium.
From http://www.tiffany.com/Expertise/Material/TiffanyPlatinum.aspx
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kels0054|1324104027|3083296 said:
Okay this thread is getting ridiculous.
Kels, since it' has been said to by 5 different people in 5 different ways and you still do not get it-- I'm going to try one last time to tell you what Charmy, MrsSalvo, Diamondseeker, Rockdiamond and I have said since the start. (I'm going to ignore Frankie as you are right about her post IMO).
Here it is, one last time.
YOU ARE WRONG. IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOUR SETTING IS A CAST PIECE THAT YOU CAN NOT HAVE WHAT YOU WANT. Okay, got that. YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE IS WRONG.
The reason you CAN NOT HAVE what you want is because YOUR BENCH CAN NOT DO IT. It CAN be done to a cast setting. In the abstract. AS IN: There ARE benches that could achieve the look you want, AND do it on a cast ring.
BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT. Got that? IRRELEVANT. As in-- DOES NOT MATTER.
WHY?
BECAUSE: THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS WHETHER OR NOT YOUR BENCH CAN DO IT. That is why Rockdiamond said, AND I QUOTE: " Basically- my experience is that you can't tell a shop to make a ring differently than they know how, and get the results you expect. Rather, you need to choose a maker that produces the type of ring you want."
SO the answer to your question, the one that was answered three pages ago is: WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR BENCH CAN AND CAN NOT DO. So, you HAVE TO DO ONE OF THREE THINGS:
1. Talk to them. See if they have DONE cut down pave, V-cut pave. And SEE WHAT THEY SAY THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO TO GET THAT LOOK. Do not be surprised if the answer is: Completely remake the ring and IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW, OR HAVE NOT DONE IT ENOUGH TO FEEL CONFIDENT IT WILL RESULT IN A LASTING PRODUCT.
2. GO get a refund, return your halo. Start over.
3. Accept your ring as the best that your jeweler can produce and learn to love it for what it is.
THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY THREE OPTIONS.
Okay?
So to re-cap:
WE can't TELL YOU WHAT YOUR BENCH CAN DO. ONLY THEY CAN.
AND THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO. YOU CANNOT EXPECT that just because A DIFFERENT CAST VENDOR CAN GET THE LOOK --THAT YOUR BENCH CAN. YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THEM TO TRY SOMETHING THEY HAVE NEVER DONE and TO GET A GOOD QUALITY SETTING FROM THAT. It is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Got that? If they do something they have never done before and the ring is NOT durable. It IS, AT THAT POINT, YOUR FAULT for being UNREASONABLE and EXPECTING THEM TO DO SOMETHING THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO **AND** TO DO IT RIGHT.
You want to keep using your jeweler, FINE (we don't care!) that's the reality that you have been running from for 3 pages and attacking EVERYONE who tells you differently. THE ISSUE is NOT ONE OF you not knowing WHAT TO ASK FOR (THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG, AGAIN). It's not a language issue. We aren't withholding magic words that will suddenly make your bench able to give you the cut down look. THE ISSUE IS THEIR SKILL. We don't know what their skills ARE. THEY DO. BUT-- EVIDENCE (in the form of your current ring) SUGGESTS THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. NO magic words are going to be able to tell them HOW TO DO SOMETHING THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO. Got it????
I'm sorry that it is NOT the answer you wanted. BUT IT IS THE TRUTH.
Okay? Now-- go talk to your jeweler. See what they can do. Then from there... you decide how you can act.
Sheesh.
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Kels, relax! Your ring is gorgeous and I see that you are hurt by some of the comments.
You're going to do what you want anyway so don't let things get to you too much.
Re halo shape I think maybe it would show less metal and still achieve the slight cushion shape if you had different size melee in it. Ex: slightly larger melee on the sides and smaller towards the corners.
And I'm not sure if I'm seeing this correctly, but to me looks like the diamonds in the halo share prongs? Is that right? Like instead of having four tiny prongs per diamond there are only two bigger prongs in between each diamond. The larger prongs could also be why there is more metal than you'd like.
I still think your ring is beautiful and I'm sure people on this forum are not meaning to pick apart your ring AT ALL. You came on here expressing doubts, so they have been making suggestions to try changes that might appeal to you.
Good luck!
You're going to do what you want anyway so don't let things get to you too much.
Re halo shape I think maybe it would show less metal and still achieve the slight cushion shape if you had different size melee in it. Ex: slightly larger melee on the sides and smaller towards the corners.
And I'm not sure if I'm seeing this correctly, but to me looks like the diamonds in the halo share prongs? Is that right? Like instead of having four tiny prongs per diamond there are only two bigger prongs in between each diamond. The larger prongs could also be why there is more metal than you'd like.
I still think your ring is beautiful and I'm sure people on this forum are not meaning to pick apart your ring AT ALL. You came on here expressing doubts, so they have been making suggestions to try changes that might appeal to you.
Good luck!
Gypsy,
First of all, I don't keep hammering asking this forum the SAME questions, I was asking THE VENDOR a few general question on what is EVEN POSSIBLE to do to a cast setting. I OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT I HAVE TO ASK MY JEWELER WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T DO AND OBVIOUSLY I WONT PUSH HIM INTO DOING SOMETHING HE DOESN'T WAN'T TO AS I KNOW I'LL END UP WITH A UNRELIABLE PRODUCT!- GOT IT? I did learn that from this forum.
I was asking the vendor a few questions about cast settings and if it's EVEN POSSIBLE to add a fishtail pave, or whatever.. I DIDN'T KEEP ASKING THE THREAD OK SO WHY CAN'T I GET THE CUT DOWN LOOK- I understand why I can't and yes, it's my fault for not doing some research before purchasing. This is my fiance's families long lasting jeweler that we went too, so it was important to my fiance that we went to him. He's a very renowned jeweler in the area, yes obviously he doesn't do the hand work like LEON, STEVEN, or MAYTAL, and I obviously know that I can't achieve the same look as yours, charmypoo's, frankies from my current BENCH, I UNDERSTAND THAT but to my defense I didn't keep asking this thread about that..I asked the VENDOR a couple questions about what alterations can be made to a cast setting.. Got it? Maybe your annoyance is because I even asked that question, and no one will know until my jeweler tells me-- which he will in January.
I understand that my halo may need to be re-made, etc. I'm going to my jeweler in early January, and I just wanted to know if altering my already cast was EVEN possible (even if it was something like fishtail, etc. NOT Cutdown, as I know that can't be done to a cast).
I'm sorry that you seem to think that I keep asking the same questions but I'm not:
To recap:
- I know that I can't achieve the cutdown look on my cast or at least from MY BENCH- I learned that from this
- I know that I need to speak to my jeweler (I already knew this, as I have an appt I just wanted to gain some more knowledge before I went in)
- I asked the VENDOR what he thought or knew about what can be altered to a cast setting, as I don't know and didn't know if anything can be altered to a cast-- and that was my last post, so I don't know exactly why you're freaking out at me, thinking that I'm not understanding.
YES new people keep posting on this thread, like Frankie, so I'm sorry if I respond to them, but my last post about my setting was to the vendor asking about cast options- I Never came across like I didn't understand that I can't achieve a cutdown look, I UNDERSTAND THAT!
So yes, I have emailed my jeweler and I have an appointment in January, after the holidays.
We don't need to keep this thread up, and I"m sorry people keep posting in regards to my earlier questions, it's obviously annoying you and making you think I don't understand what we've gone over, even though I do . I appreciate you all telling me that cutdown can't be done to a cast, or atleast to my setting from my bench. But from new discussion that arose and the vendor bringing up cast settings, I just had a few questions about cast in general and if alterations can even be done to it. SO I'm sorry I asked him about that..?
I wanted to be able to ask him specifics when I went in, and not just "WHAT CAN YOU DO" but if I knew more specifics, for example if fishtail COULD be added, then I would be able to ask him "Is your bench able to add fishtail to this cast setting, and if so are you confident that it will be a durable ring after..and that you'll still replace melee if they fall out.." etc. etc.
YOu're right, no one knows what my bench can and can't do.. I'll find out and let you all know in a few weeks : ) haha But of course I'm not going to push him into something he's never done as I don't want a product that won't last or will constantly be giving me trouble.
sorry to have upset you or that you think I keep asking the same questions-- I'm really NOT trying too.
First of all, I don't keep hammering asking this forum the SAME questions, I was asking THE VENDOR a few general question on what is EVEN POSSIBLE to do to a cast setting. I OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT I HAVE TO ASK MY JEWELER WHAT HE CAN AND CAN'T DO AND OBVIOUSLY I WONT PUSH HIM INTO DOING SOMETHING HE DOESN'T WAN'T TO AS I KNOW I'LL END UP WITH A UNRELIABLE PRODUCT!- GOT IT? I did learn that from this forum.
I was asking the vendor a few questions about cast settings and if it's EVEN POSSIBLE to add a fishtail pave, or whatever.. I DIDN'T KEEP ASKING THE THREAD OK SO WHY CAN'T I GET THE CUT DOWN LOOK- I understand why I can't and yes, it's my fault for not doing some research before purchasing. This is my fiance's families long lasting jeweler that we went too, so it was important to my fiance that we went to him. He's a very renowned jeweler in the area, yes obviously he doesn't do the hand work like LEON, STEVEN, or MAYTAL, and I obviously know that I can't achieve the same look as yours, charmypoo's, frankies from my current BENCH, I UNDERSTAND THAT but to my defense I didn't keep asking this thread about that..I asked the VENDOR a couple questions about what alterations can be made to a cast setting.. Got it? Maybe your annoyance is because I even asked that question, and no one will know until my jeweler tells me-- which he will in January.
I understand that my halo may need to be re-made, etc. I'm going to my jeweler in early January, and I just wanted to know if altering my already cast was EVEN possible (even if it was something like fishtail, etc. NOT Cutdown, as I know that can't be done to a cast).
I'm sorry that you seem to think that I keep asking the same questions but I'm not:
To recap:
- I know that I can't achieve the cutdown look on my cast or at least from MY BENCH- I learned that from this
- I know that I need to speak to my jeweler (I already knew this, as I have an appt I just wanted to gain some more knowledge before I went in)
- I asked the VENDOR what he thought or knew about what can be altered to a cast setting, as I don't know and didn't know if anything can be altered to a cast-- and that was my last post, so I don't know exactly why you're freaking out at me, thinking that I'm not understanding.
YES new people keep posting on this thread, like Frankie, so I'm sorry if I respond to them, but my last post about my setting was to the vendor asking about cast options- I Never came across like I didn't understand that I can't achieve a cutdown look, I UNDERSTAND THAT!
So yes, I have emailed my jeweler and I have an appointment in January, after the holidays.
We don't need to keep this thread up, and I"m sorry people keep posting in regards to my earlier questions, it's obviously annoying you and making you think I don't understand what we've gone over, even though I do . I appreciate you all telling me that cutdown can't be done to a cast, or atleast to my setting from my bench. But from new discussion that arose and the vendor bringing up cast settings, I just had a few questions about cast in general and if alterations can even be done to it. SO I'm sorry I asked him about that..?
I wanted to be able to ask him specifics when I went in, and not just "WHAT CAN YOU DO" but if I knew more specifics, for example if fishtail COULD be added, then I would be able to ask him "Is your bench able to add fishtail to this cast setting, and if so are you confident that it will be a durable ring after..and that you'll still replace melee if they fall out.." etc. etc.
YOu're right, no one knows what my bench can and can't do.. I'll find out and let you all know in a few weeks : ) haha But of course I'm not going to push him into something he's never done as I don't want a product that won't last or will constantly be giving me trouble.
sorry to have upset you or that you think I keep asking the same questions-- I'm really NOT trying too.
Thank you Sweet Asscher for your comments, I really appreciate them 
You have a good point about my melee!! That's something I could definitely ask him!!
I want to say that I'm about 95-100% sure that it's not a shared prong setting. I'm sure the awful photo quality of the pictures I posted make it look like that (I am awful at taking pictures of my ring) But my jeweler was very against shared prong for a halo as he says they tend to have a LOT of issues, with being bent back, snagging on clothes, losing stones, etc.
Thank you for your kind words though, I really appreciate it!
Happy Holidays : )
You have a good point about my melee!! That's something I could definitely ask him!!
I want to say that I'm about 95-100% sure that it's not a shared prong setting. I'm sure the awful photo quality of the pictures I posted make it look like that (I am awful at taking pictures of my ring) But my jeweler was very against shared prong for a halo as he says they tend to have a LOT of issues, with being bent back, snagging on clothes, losing stones, etc.
Thank you for your kind words though, I really appreciate it!
Happy Holidays : )
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CharmyPoo
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Fishtail pave is just another name for v-cut pave. So, you have essentially just been asking for the same thing throughout this thread but using different words.
People (including myself) are just trying to help you by pre-empting disappointment you may face when you go see your jeweler. We are all being nice by saying that you should talk to their bench first to figure out what they can do. However, based on what we see we all actually don't think they can.
Like Gypsy said, it has nothing to do with a CAST ring because there are a lot of beautiful CAST rings out there that don't have the pave issue, symmetry issues, metal issues .. that we are discussing about your ring. Some say Leon Mege and Victor Canera also cast their rings and they don't look like yours. Look up ERD, BGD, WF and JbEG halos - all beautiful examples of cad/cast rings that are finished beautifully.
Here is a long thread on all sorts of halos
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-collection-of-halos.121549/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-collection-of-halos.121549/[/URL]
To summarize, these are the notes I would take to your jeweler
PROBLEM: Too much metal is visible for the halo pave.
QUESTIONS TO ASK:
Is it possible to make deeper scoops along the sides for the pave on the halo?
Is it possible to change the beads holding the melee into claws?
Is it possible to shave down the excess metal around the halo?
Recommendation to show him this photo:
I know you didn't ask but the shape of your halo is really problematic for the shape of your stone. You are looking at cushion halos but your stone is a radiant. You either have to change the melee size to accomdate for the curvature or you are going to get excess metal. Your jeweler also really has to do a better job with the curvature of the halo. It is totally throwing me off because it doesn't look symmetrical. If you are going to fix it, you might as well ask him to fix everything at once instead of going back a few more times.
The list Frankie gave you can be helpful if he is willing to remake your ring and you want to make further tweaks. There is no better person on this forum than Frankie who has spent a lot of time studying halos and who has first hand experience with many custom pave projects.
People (including myself) are just trying to help you by pre-empting disappointment you may face when you go see your jeweler. We are all being nice by saying that you should talk to their bench first to figure out what they can do. However, based on what we see we all actually don't think they can.
Like Gypsy said, it has nothing to do with a CAST ring because there are a lot of beautiful CAST rings out there that don't have the pave issue, symmetry issues, metal issues .. that we are discussing about your ring. Some say Leon Mege and Victor Canera also cast their rings and they don't look like yours. Look up ERD, BGD, WF and JbEG halos - all beautiful examples of cad/cast rings that are finished beautifully.
Here is a long thread on all sorts of halos
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-collection-of-halos.121549/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-collection-of-halos.121549/[/URL]
To summarize, these are the notes I would take to your jeweler
PROBLEM: Too much metal is visible for the halo pave.
QUESTIONS TO ASK:
Is it possible to make deeper scoops along the sides for the pave on the halo?
Is it possible to change the beads holding the melee into claws?
Is it possible to shave down the excess metal around the halo?
Recommendation to show him this photo:
I know you didn't ask but the shape of your halo is really problematic for the shape of your stone. You are looking at cushion halos but your stone is a radiant. You either have to change the melee size to accomdate for the curvature or you are going to get excess metal. Your jeweler also really has to do a better job with the curvature of the halo. It is totally throwing me off because it doesn't look symmetrical. If you are going to fix it, you might as well ask him to fix everything at once instead of going back a few more times.
The list Frankie gave you can be helpful if he is willing to remake your ring and you want to make further tweaks. There is no better person on this forum than Frankie who has spent a lot of time studying halos and who has first hand experience with many custom pave projects.
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CharmyPoo said:Recommendation to show him this photo:
Wow. CharmyPoo, may I ask who made that halo and is there a thread with more pictures of it? The metalwork looks so perfect!
Apologies to kels0054 for hijacking the thread. Please carry on and thanks for starting this thread as I'm learning a lot in here.
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thbmok|1324140285|3083441 said:Wow. CharmyPoo, may I ask who made that halo and is there a thread with more pictures of it? The metalwork looks so perfect!
Apologies to kels0054 for hijacking the thread. Please carry on and thanks for starting this thread as I'm learning a lot in here.
That is a photo taken by Frankie and it was a halo made by Steven Kirsch.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/timeless-luxury-steven-kirsch-rb-halo-ring-is-here-t156815.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/timeless-luxury-steven-kirsch-rb-halo-ring-is-here-t156815.html[/URL]
More comparison photos here.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/[/URL]
You should browse through Frankie's threads. She has exceptional photos showing clear close up of the work. I am unable to take such great macro shots which is why I always use hers
Yes, he already said he would shave down the excess metal. That's what he was going to take a look at in January when I come in. when I'm there I will ask him about the claw's and definitely express my frustration. However, if the pictures don't show it correctly, the ring is definitely symmetrical. This is most likely because you can't see it in person and are going off of pictures, so I disagree that it's not symmetrical-- it definitely is. The first image I posted my hand was tilted to the left, so I could see why you would think that it looks a little off in that way..
I do agree with you though, that since I chose to have the curvature more curved than straight with my radiant cut ring, that's why there is excess metal. It makes perfect sense, so that's something else I will address with him in regards to changing melee size in the area's needed.
Question: with ERD, WF and the websites mentioned, their pieces are beautiful for sure.. what's their policy if melee fall out? Does anyone on here have any experience with problematic rings from these sites? Do they say they'll replace melee? I just ask because this is also something I'll address in my frustration to him that I could have purchased a halo from one of these sites, also in a cast setting, that shows less metal.
I do agree with you though, that since I chose to have the curvature more curved than straight with my radiant cut ring, that's why there is excess metal. It makes perfect sense, so that's something else I will address with him in regards to changing melee size in the area's needed.
Question: with ERD, WF and the websites mentioned, their pieces are beautiful for sure.. what's their policy if melee fall out? Does anyone on here have any experience with problematic rings from these sites? Do they say they'll replace melee? I just ask because this is also something I'll address in my frustration to him that I could have purchased a halo from one of these sites, also in a cast setting, that shows less metal.
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kels0054|1324141194|3083456 said:
I have worked with ERD in the past and I am fairly certain they will do whatever it takes to repair rings including replacing melee that falls out. I don't have a ring from him so I never asked. I think the same applies for WF and BGD. I am sure there are examples of melee falling out from them but it is not a frequent occurence at least from what is posted on PS.
There is a thread that asked who you got your ring from and has melee fallen out. Many people replied but I can't remember what the thread was called to locate it for you.
Good to hear the symmetry is just the tilt on the photos.
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I had contacted jbeg a while back before I purchased to gain some information on their rings and I just found the email. Unfortunately they don't replace for free:
"most of our Kylie halo clients have had no durability problems. We do warranty our setting against any manufactural defects, however lost melee after the first 30 days would be considered normal wear and tear and there would be the expense of round trip shipping and a small charge for melee replacement beyond this time period."
I love jbeg rings though and still will be addressing this to my jeweler for sure! I Just want to be sure when I use a company's name to him I can back it up by saying they replace their melee.
"most of our Kylie halo clients have had no durability problems. We do warranty our setting against any manufactural defects, however lost melee after the first 30 days would be considered normal wear and tear and there would be the expense of round trip shipping and a small charge for melee replacement beyond this time period."
I love jbeg rings though and still will be addressing this to my jeweler for sure! I Just want to be sure when I use a company's name to him I can back it up by saying they replace their melee.
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kels0054|1324141965|3083469 said:
Interesting. Thank you so much for sharing that information! I did not know that at all. I do wonder what the other companies policies are around fixing lost melee.
I know for sure that Leon, Steven and Maytal will look after it but those are the only ones I asked. I wonder if Victor Canera would too.
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HI Kels,
It has been my pleasure to try and assist best I can.
From my perspective, I can understand how it might be frustrating trying to get your question answered- of course a big part of it is that you'll only really have the info you need after your jeweler does what he can....which you understand.
However I think you're 100% in the right place to air your concerns from where you are right now- waiting- and that's a great use for this forum.
Please keep in mind that some people are fiercly loyal to a given vndor- which may affect their answers....sometimes to the extent that the answer becomes less useful to people who are not going to use that specific vendor- and that diamonds and jewelry are very personal.
In spite of everything, I hope you feel comfortable to ask more questions.
ETA- we were posting at the same time:
We do feature both CAD, as well as Hand forged pieces.
We do offer a lifetime workmanship guarantee- traditionally we've replaced any stone that's come out of any micropave ring we make.
We've been making more and more hand forged pieces lately- and in all honesty, this has caused me to reconsider the blanket guarantee. On the hand forged pieces we will keep it in force- on less costly cad peices we may have to change it.
In many cases, the CAD is attractive due to the lower cost...but the lower prices of the cad leave a lot less room for the costs associated with a lifetime guarantee.
It has been my pleasure to try and assist best I can.
From my perspective, I can understand how it might be frustrating trying to get your question answered- of course a big part of it is that you'll only really have the info you need after your jeweler does what he can....which you understand.
However I think you're 100% in the right place to air your concerns from where you are right now- waiting- and that's a great use for this forum.
Please keep in mind that some people are fiercly loyal to a given vndor- which may affect their answers....sometimes to the extent that the answer becomes less useful to people who are not going to use that specific vendor- and that diamonds and jewelry are very personal.
In spite of everything, I hope you feel comfortable to ask more questions.
ETA- we were posting at the same time:
We do feature both CAD, as well as Hand forged pieces.
We do offer a lifetime workmanship guarantee- traditionally we've replaced any stone that's come out of any micropave ring we make.
We've been making more and more hand forged pieces lately- and in all honesty, this has caused me to reconsider the blanket guarantee. On the hand forged pieces we will keep it in force- on less costly cad peices we may have to change it.
In many cases, the CAD is attractive due to the lower cost...but the lower prices of the cad leave a lot less room for the costs associated with a lifetime guarantee.
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CharmyPoo|1324141079|3083454 said:thbmok|1324140285|3083441 said:Wow. CharmyPoo, may I ask who made that halo and is there a thread with more pictures of it? The metalwork looks so perfect!
Apologies to kels0054 for hijacking the thread. Please carry on and thanks for starting this thread as I'm learning a lot in here.
That is a photo taken by Frankie and it was a halo made by Steven Kirsch.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/timeless-luxury-steven-kirsch-rb-halo-ring-is-here-t156815.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/timeless-luxury-steven-kirsch-rb-halo-ring-is-here-t156815.html[/URL]
More comparison photos here.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/[/URL]
You should browse through Frankie's threads. She has exceptional photos showing clear close up of the work. I am unable to take such great macro shots which is why I always use hers
but then OP does not want her ring to look anything like mine, so why would she want to ever use my photos ? haha
excuse my sarcasm. back on topic everyone
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I am fairly certain that BGD and WF will replace for free if when they receive the ring it is clear that the loss was from a manufacturers defect and not from normal wear and tear. I suppose as a client you need to trust them on those assessments I have been on PS for a while, though, and have not heard more than very infrequent complaints about either company I mentioned, or ERD, when it comes to durability of pave. This is one major benefit of PS, you can read literally hundreds of consumer reports on a given company. You cannot get that with a local jeweler in most cases.
Pave rings should be worn, but I also think they should be worn with care. You cannot wear them 24/7 in most cases, without risking loss of pave at some point. People also vary in how hard they wear their rings. Pave is not for everyone. Lost melee is but one indicator of quality pave. There are others that have been mentioned in this thread. I would not suggest putting so much stock in that characteristic of pave to the detriment of other esthetic characteristics.
I have been on PS for a while, though, and have not heard more than very infrequent complaints about either company I mentioned, or ERD, when it comes to durability of pave. This is one major benefit of PS, you can read literally hundreds of consumer reports on a given company. You cannot get that with a local jeweler in most cases.Pave rings should be worn, but I also think they should be worn with care. You cannot wear them 24/7 in most cases, without risking loss of pave at some point. People also vary in how hard they wear their rings. Pave is not for everyone. Lost melee is but one indicator of quality pave. There are others that have been mentioned in this thread. I would not suggest putting so much stock in that characteristic of pave to the detriment of other esthetic characteristics.
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kels, I think what some of us indirectly were trying to say was that if your setting cost $4200 or so, you could have gotten far better workmanship. You could have spent a good bit less than that for a cast halo ring. We are telling you that so when you talk to your jeweler, you can explain the quality level you expect, and he can either attempt to remake your ring to your satisfaction, or if he cannot, then he should allow you to have the ring remade elsewhere.
I already posted one from WF, but here is another from Brian Gavin at $2700:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/michelle-18k-white-gold-5563w18
You see, we understand that you love your ring but realize there could be improvements, and you are 100% correct. For the price you paid, you should have top quality workmanship. There are people here with extensive pave experience that suspect that bench just doesn't have the expertise to do it. That's fine if you are satisfied with it as it is. It's just that they should have charged about $3000 max for that setting. We just like to see people get what they pay for. No one here is trying to offend you. We are all trying to help you get what you paid for.
I already posted one from WF, but here is another from Brian Gavin at $2700:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/michelle-18k-white-gold-5563w18
You see, we understand that you love your ring but realize there could be improvements, and you are 100% correct. For the price you paid, you should have top quality workmanship. There are people here with extensive pave experience that suspect that bench just doesn't have the expertise to do it. That's fine if you are satisfied with it as it is. It's just that they should have charged about $3000 max for that setting. We just like to see people get what they pay for. No one here is trying to offend you. We are all trying to help you get what you paid for.
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