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So far a bunch of whinny petty bureaucrats without one bit of credibility who are triggered coz the sandbox got kicked. .
Nicolle Wallace, a former Republican stalwart and staffer for George W. Bush who now hosts a program on MSNBC put it well. There was no "shadow government". Rudy Giuiani was not leading some shadow campaign that sought to undermine official US foreign policy. He was following official policy: policy that started with Trump, was endorsed by Pence and Pompeo at State (as well as Mulvaney of course). The policy to extort Ukraine, which "Rudy" pushed, was official US and State Department policy. Pompeo was briefed on every step of it.
If not a "shadow government" then one with conflicting purpose in which the president and all the president's men didn't inform their own ambassadors that there was a change in direction as well as a change in who was representing the president. Those ambassadors were left swinging in the wind. The most transparent president in the history of presidents chose to keep his swampy waters murky.
No more quid pro quo the new word is bribery! ..
When they have no proof, they change the question.No more quid pro quo the new word is bribery! ..
Opinion is not proof.As for proof - the witnesses are all saying the same thing and they are from HIS administration!
I thought the Clinton impeachment was lame as heck but also funny.I really don't understand you at all on this Karl. Were you railing about coup attempts when Clinton was impeached too?
I do not believe that Trump has been given a fair chance.In my mind you have always stood for what's fair and right. What happened Karl?
I do not believe that Trump has been given a fair chance.
He has been constantly under attack by the media, bureaucrats and democrats even before he was elected.
There is even some proof the fbi spied on and interfered with his campaign.
Which intensified after he beat the media darling Hillary who had to cheat to get nominated in the first place.
His administration has been undermined, spied on, and full of leakers many of them left overs from the past that do not want any change because they want to protect their own fiefdoms.
She still don't, but her radical Dem. members pushed her into the water. She know is risky and can cause her the gavel come 2020. I'd agree Pelosi is a very savvy politician but she is being controlled by the likes of AOC.A coup attempt? Dramatic much @Karl_K? Pelosi did NOT want to impeach Trump. It's a politically risky, even dangerous, move and she's as savvy a politician as you can possibly have.
Opinion is not proof.
I do not believe that Trump has been given a fair chance.
He has been constantly under attack by the media, bureaucrats and democrats even before he was elected.
There is even some proof the fbi spied on and interfered with his campaign.
Which intensified after he beat the media darling Hillary who had to cheat to get nominated in the first place.
His administration has been undermined, spied on, and full of leakers many of them left overs from the past that do not want any change because they want to protect their own fiefdoms.
Criminal acts have yet to be proven. And these hearings are not convincing me. There is plenty of opinion to be found but I have not seen any proof that the sole intent was to get Biden. That is what is needed.
So you don't believe even ONE of these government officials? Wow.
I think at this point the people who are still trying to defend Trump, have no vested interest in allowing our country to continue under the same kind of government envisioned by the framers of the constituion.
I would say this is true of Republican politicians. In terms of their base, what has been shown here and elsewhere is that they will continue to swallow the tripe that Fox News dishes out, and genuinely believe that they are on the right side of the Constitution and history.
That’s why I haven’t bothered to rebut the numerous lies and nonsense repeated by the Trumpsters here. It doesn’t matter what facts you present. They will keep moving the goal posts and excuse the corruption at every turn.
There is no reasoning with these people, but at the end of the day they’re just pawns.
I would say this is true of Republican politicians. In terms of their base, what has been shown here and elsewhere is that they will continue to swallow the tripe that Fox News dishes out, and genuinely believe that they are on the right side of the Constitution and history.
That’s why I haven’t bothered to rebut the numerous lies and nonsense repeated by the Trumpsters here. It doesn’t matter what facts you present. They will keep moving the goal posts and excuse the corruption at every turn.
There is no reasoning with these people, but at the end of the day they’re just pawns.