I had an I diamond appraised today, and was told that it was a K.

[Cehrabehra]

Whatever you decide - best of luck to you I love your name btw!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:09:42 PM
Author: kenny
For all my drama I let the vendor keep his money.
Harriet will get more money back than I.

She''s a lawyer.
She''s smarter.

there are a LOT of issues that come up here regarding these little pebbles that take our hearts and steal our money! I think it''s okay to be irrational and get worked up about it sometimes.... and I think it''s wonderful when we can be supportive of one another through the process. Whatever brings us to joy, right?

 

[mrssalvo]

wow, I take a break for dinner and look at what I miss

Harriet, I''m sure WF will do whatever it takes for you to be happy, as they''ve stated earlier in this thread. Since you didn''t really see the stone and now feel it''s tainted, I''d suggest just returning it and finding a different one. You also might consider looking at a higher color as well. oh and next time, try to take a look at the stone yourself before you hear what the appraiser has to say. you are buying the stone not the paper, if you''d looked at the stone and fell in love, you might have been more willing to negotiate the price so you could keep it and feel you were getting what you paid for. Anyway, good luck to you, I''m sure your perfect beautiful stone is out there...

 

[kenny]

Indeed Cehrabehra.

 

[kenny]

mrssalvo said:
". . . you are buying the stone not the paper. . . "


Why do people keep saying this?
No, of course you are not buying the paper, but the PRICE is set by the paper.

And price is important, even to someone buying a $48,000 diamond.

The vendor does not look at the stone and say, "Hmmm $6,457.
She looks at the *paper*, and the stone and says, "Hmm $6,457.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 5:41:12 PM
Author: Harriet
Too distressed to look objectively.

Honestly.....diamonds shouldn''t be distressing.

Sounds to me like you won''t get over the discrepancy. I''d return it and let them help you find another stone.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:09:42 PM
Author: kenny
Drama or no, in the end I let the vendor keep his money.
I think Harriet will be getting a big check in the mail.

She told us right away that she''s a lawyer.
She''s smarter.

Kenny you have something she can never have,,,, that kicken rare asscher... there is a huge difference between that and another round amoung rounds.
a round is a whole lot easier to replace/find with another that most cant see the difference in and even a matched set.
Id rather have the one that you have, its special!!

 

[kenny]

aljedewy wrote:
"Honestly.....diamonds shouldn't be distressing."

The more distress she expresses the more "emotional evidence" for her case, and the more guilty WF is, so the higher her refund.

Smart lady.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:21:12 PM
Author: kenny
Indeed Cehrabehra.

oh but I forgot humor - always good to keep humor about us, right?

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:23:20 PM
Author: kenny
mrssalvo said:
''. . . you are buying the stone not the paper. . . ''

the PRICE is set by the paper.

The vendor does not look at the stone and say, ''Hmmm $6,457.
She looks at the *paper*, and the stone and says, ''Hmm $6,457.

Man .. you just can''t get over this can ya??

Like REAL ESTATE perhaps ... it''s not *just* about the "comps" ... price is also affected by unquantifiable factors ... a "feeling" ... a trend ... a certain something. The value of anything is what someone will pay for it. The "paper price" is just a good guess based on quantifyable characteristics .. it doesn''t take into effect so MANY other factors.

Also ... How do all those uncerted stones get priced, hmmmm?

 

[decodelighted]

On the topic of this specific stone ... I just wouldn''t want it anymore. I think all the pros & the vendor & the customer have all been great ... I just wouldn''t want a huge "J" that ANYONE can mistake for a "K". ESPECIALLY if I *wanted* an "I" color. It''s too much color for an e-ring that size. At ANY price. Period. Full stop. ... But that''s just my opinion.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 5:53:54 PM
Author: kenny
I didn't use PS to try to get more money back from a vendor.

That's a pretty brash accusation, Kenny. Perhaps you should go back and reread a bit more carefully. I find this is a frequent pattern when I read your posts - leaping to presumptions that aren't firmly supported.

Harriet said she was disappointed at how it graded. The focus on price adjustment hasn't really come from her; it's been discussed more by others as a possible resolution.

And as DS says, I don't see how that's materially different from you angsting over what you paid for vs. what you got. So then would you say YOU were *using PS* to possibly negotiate a better price?

Date: 12/29/2006 5:53:54 PM
Author: kenny

In fact, I'm keeping my stone without even asking for any price adjustment whatsoever.

And was that because you chose to, or because you didn't feel confident in being able to negotiate a price adjustment? Or was it that none was offered?

I'm not trying to be contentious, but I think it's pretty offensive to suggest that she's acting in bad faith or "using PS".

I just calls em as I sees em.

Perhaps you should have your vision checked, Kenny - you're seeing things!

 

[jayreneepea]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:00:11 PM
Author: kenny
aljedewy wrote:
''Honestly.....diamonds shouldn''t be distressing.''

The more distress she expresses the more ''emotional evidence'' for her case, and the more guilty WF is, so the higher her refund.

Smart lady.

At 6:42 she stated that she is no longer distressed!

There goes your "theory".

 

[kenny]

The prices at WF and GOG are set before we see the listing.
It is not an auction.

I would LOVE it if Rhino or Brian revealed everything about how they set prices.

But they won't.
I'll bet that is almost as proprietary as their photographic techniques.

But I'll bet 80 to 99% is set by the numbers on that paper, not if they "LOVE the stone".

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 6:24:04 PM
Author: kenny
diamondseeker2006 wrote:
''The price difference for Harriet is probably $7000 or more between the I and a J.''

My actual vs. Lab report discrepency was probably only about $1000.
But, the principle is the same.

Vendors base their price on the lab report, not fancy microscope pics, not appraiser opinions and not the ''but do you love the stone?'' approach.
After the sale if the stone doesn''t match report the price should be fixed.
(Plus I think actual color grade can be legally one grade off the lab report - no pro has disputed this yet.)

I blew off $1000.
I''m not sure I''d blow off $7000.
But I wouldn''t turn into a drama queen here to up my refund.
I believe it is in poor taste (or worse).
I would have the class to handle the matter in private if I was going after the bucks.

Honestly, you''re WAY off base here.

1. Clarity grading can change after the grading report has been issued. Color cannot. BIG difference.

2. Sorry, but you were EVERY BIT as much a drama queen over your situation.

3. If you really wanted to prove that classiness you claim to have, a good start would be to stop maligning one of the posters here, Kenny.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:23:20 PM
Author: kenny
mrssalvo said:
''. . . you are buying the stone not the paper. . . ''


Why do people keep saying this?
No, of course you are not buying the paper, but the PRICE is set by the paper.

And price is important, even to someone buying a $48,000 diamond.

The vendor does not look at the stone and say, ''Hmmm $6,457.
She looks at the *paper*, and the stone and says, ''Hmm $6,457.

that''s not really how it works with cushions - since there are no cut parameters but if you go and look up stones you can find a full carat difference between stones with the same price clarity and color. I asked about it once and he said that some suppliers just charge more and he didn''t know why but they of course have to pass that on. Who knows why that is.... but I''ve seen cushions that are comparable on paper with $10k differences in price and no *concrete* reason for it.

 

[mrssalvo]

Kenny, I agree you, in my post I only mentioned that if she had looked at the stone first she might have loved it and been willing to negotiate a fair price for the J and kept it. I completely understand mental hangups with numbers as I had set ones I wanted for my stone, but at the end of the day is the stone pretty, do I like to look at it, that is what matters. My hubby actually hates that I was very picky about the numbers b/c he felt it took the whole romantism out of the diamond buying process. He thinks they are overpriced peices of rocks anyway so the price really is who is willing to buy and pay what someone is selling, paper or not.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 7:09:42 PM
Author: kenny

Drama or no, in the end I let the vendor keep his money.
I think Harriet will be getting a big check in the mail.

And if she did, THAT''s what your bug-a-boo is, isn''t it Kenny? That if she WERE able to get a reduction, she would then be more successful than you at getting a favorable resolution?

I think I''m seeing the whole picture now, and it ain''t pretty. Envy doesn''t become you.

 

[aljdewey]

HARRIET:

I''m embarassed as a PS member at some of the crappy insinuations being made in this thread. I hope you know they aren''t shared by everyone.

I hope you are able to find the stone that makes you happy.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:00:11 PM
Author: kenny
aljedewy wrote:
''Honestly.....diamonds shouldn''t be distressing.''

The more distress she expresses the more ''emotional evidence'' for her case, and the more guilty WF is, so the higher her refund.

Smart lady.

oh GAB - count how many posts she''s spent being dramatic here.... most of her posts here are fact filled and half of them are praising those who are involved in this transaction. I hardly consider a damsel in distress. She''s certainly not whiney by any stretch.

 

[kenny]

Al
I won't bother correcting you.

I don't mind people thinking things about me that aren't true.
Everyone can read and form their own opinions.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 12/29/2006 6:24:04 PM
Author: kenny
........Keep that gorgeous stone and shut up.

HI:

Spoken with so much conviction that you haven''t stopped talking of it since. Last time I checked your thread was still open, so why does this thread have to be about you, too?

cheers--Sharon

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:07:23 PM
Author: decodelighted
On the topic of this specific stone ... I just wouldn''t want it anymore. I think all the pros & the vendor & the customer have all been great ... I just wouldn''t want a huge ''J'' that ANYONE can mistake for a ''K''. ESPECIALLY if I *wanted* an ''I'' color. It''s too much color for an e-ring that size. At ANY price. Period. Full stop. ... But that''s just my opinion.

this would be my feeling as well.

 

[kenny]

I disagree.

If you love it fight for it.
Get over what you need to get over.

I did.

 

[kenny]

canuk-gal wrote:
"Spoken with so much conviction that you haven't stopped talking of it since. Last time I checked your thread was still open, so why does this thread have to be about you, too?"


I have shut up . . . about expecting money back.


Harriet and I have something in common.
We both got something less than what was on the lab report, which set the price.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:24:31 PM
Author: kenny
Al
I won''t bother correcting you.

I don''t mind people thinking things about me that aren''t true.
Everyone can read and form their own opinions.

I just calls em as I see em......as you say.

As far as correctness.....I have to confess that I stopped following your whinefest after the 3rd day, so perhaps I''m unaware of your end resolution. From the sounds of it above, no matter what the resolution, it seems you weren''t entirely happy with it since you still keep bringing it up in other people''s threads, as Sharon points out.

Although, judging on the responses you''re getting here, I''d say that yes, people have formed their own opinions, and they seem to be pretty spot-on.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:27:00 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 12/29/2006 8:07:23 PM
Author: decodelighted
On the topic of this specific stone ... I just wouldn''t want it anymore. I think all the pros & the vendor & the customer have all been great ... I just wouldn''t want a huge ''J'' that ANYONE can mistake for a ''K''. ESPECIALLY if I *wanted* an ''I'' color. It''s too much color for an e-ring that size. At ANY price. Period. Full stop. ... But that''s just my opinion.

this would be my feeling as well.

Mine, too.

Kenny, get a grip. She hadn''t seen the stone to love it before she found out it was not what she expected. This is not the same as your situation.

 

[kenny]

Al: End resolution: since you stopped following my whinefest:

I kept the asscher and let GOG keep about $1000 that I should have gotten back.

 

[Shay37]

Gosh, Harriet, this is a tough one. Discrepancy aside, did the stone look noticeably yellow or was it just warmer than the I master? Was it something you were able to see at a glance or only because it had been pointed out to you? I think that when you answer those questions for and to yourself, you might come closer to an answer on your dilemma.

I don''t think that I would want a noticeably tinted stone. (3+cts. might change my mind though

) What I cannot know from sitting here and not seeing the stone is if that is the case with this stone. If it''s just warmer, but not yellow, how warm? Did you have in mind I being a non-tinted stone, and ended up being a bit shocked by the color you could see? Let''s not even consider the shock of the whole "what do you mean it''s not an I" factor you had to deal with at the same time.

I really don''t know what I would do in your shoes. Maybe if you just had some alone time with the stone where you could form some opinion about it separate and aside from what you have already dealt with. You know, take it out, different lighting, a little wine (oops, I digress

). Anyway, you get what I''m trying to suggest, right? If you could see it again without the pressure situation of appraising it, maybe you could appreciate it for what it is, rather than what you expected it to look like.

Just my moment of contemplation on the situation at hand.

shay

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 6:33:33 PM
Author: kenny

Accuracy is important, isn''t it?

Yes, it absolutely is......so let''s make sure we''re accurate.

Kenny said: "I have shut up . . . about expecting money back."

1. Not really.....you''re still talking about it here.

2. She hasn''t said she expected money back. What she said is that they lawyer in her wants to get a fair price (which appeared to be said generally speaking and not specifically about THIS stone), and that she was waiting to hear from WF about a price on this stone (which was offered only in response to Ellen''s query of "Now what?")

She''s not said that she would even be satisfied with a price adjustment to this stone. In fact, she''s made MORE statements to the effect of not knowing if she could be happy with stone given all the history to this point. Enough people have picked up on that and commented on it.