I had an I diamond appraised today, and was told that it was a K.

[kenny]

Diamond seeker2006 wrote, ". . . Kenny, get a grip. She hadn't seen the stone to love it before she found out it was not what she expected. This is not the same as your situation."

Huh? Seeing to stone to love it?

What's that got to do with it?
We both got a stone that was less than the report that set the price.
Same thing.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:38:30 PM
Author: kenny
Al: End resolution: since you stopped following my whinefest:

I kept the asscher and let GOG keep about $1000 that I should have gotten back.

Kenny, we told you repeatedly that GOG owed you nothing unless you sent the stone back to see what the grade would be, but you chose not to. In contrast, Harriet''s stone has been sent to two independent appraisers, one with a fancy color machine, which contradicts the cert. You didn''t prove that your microscopic problem would result in a different grade. And like you said, it wouldn''t have meant a big difference in price anyway. In this case, it makes a big difference, as color doesn''t need a microscope to be seen, and there is a potentially large price difference.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:28:01 PM
Author: kenny
I disagree.


If you love it fight for it.

Get over what you need to get over.


I did.

kenny, she didn''t see it before she was told the appraiser''s opinion and couldn''t look at it objectively enough to love it. My whole point in stating next time she should look at a stone first to see if she could love it, you then went into the price and paper thing when my whole point was using your eyes first. Anyway, she doesn''t love it and shouldn''t fight for a stone she doesn''t love or want.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:18:44 PM
Author: mrssalvo
Kenny, I agree you, in my post I only mentioned that if she had looked at the stone first she might have loved it and been willing to negotiate a fair price for the J and kept it. I completely understand mental hangups with numbers as I had set ones I wanted for my stone, but at the end of the day is the stone pretty, do I like to look at it, that is what matters. My hubby actually hates that I was very picky about the numbers b/c he felt it took the whole romantism out of the diamond buying process. He thinks they are overpriced peices of rocks anyway so the price really is who is willing to buy and pay what someone is selling, paper or not.

our husbands would get along GREAT however we must *never* get them together or we''d never hear the end of it lmao!!

 

[kenny]

seeing it
loving it

still
if the stone is less than the report says it is there is a problem
the price is set by the report
not by love
not by seeing

maybe this is a left brain/right brain thing

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:38:30 PM
Author: kenny
Al: End resolution: since you stopped following my whinefest:

I kept the asscher and let GOG keep about $1000 that I should have gotten back.

Hooray for you! You made a choice you could live with (although apparently not totally satisfied by it, since it keeps coming up.)

1. It''s entirely *possible* (not necessarily probable, but possible) that the damage occurred post-sale. I know what you said about how careful you were, yada, yada, but the fact remains that once you take possession of something and handle it, it cannot be definitively determined where/when the chip happened. (Perhaps you and your microscope should travel to the vendor next time, and then there will be no room for doubt and you won''t have to be in the position of asking for money back at all.)

2. As such, it''s purely speculative that you *should have* gotten anything back.

3. Again, it''s possible for damage to occur to a stone post-grading that affects clarity. I''m not aware of a possibility for anything to negatively affect the color of the stone post-grading.

4. Your stone is far less "replaceable", as others have pointed out. So, your decision is related to, but not necessarily transportable to this same situation.

 

[kenny]

mrssalvo wrote:
" . . . I completely understand mental hangups with numbers. . . "

hangup with numbers?
What?

Here, let me remove thousands of dollars out of your purse.
What?
You have a hangup with numbers?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:28:01 PM
Author: kenny
I disagree.

If you love it fight for it.
Get over what you need to get over.

I did.

did you really? sounds to me like you''re trying hard to heft your leg over that bridge but you''re not there yet....

 

[kenny]

I'm keeping the assher.
GOG is keeping 100% of my money.

I just notice something is this thread and spoke up.

Al, that was unkind.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:31:32 PM
Author: kenny
canuk-gal wrote:
''Spoken with so much conviction that you haven''t stopped talking of it since. Last time I checked your thread was still open, so why does this thread have to be about you, too?''


I have shut up . . . about expecting money back.


Harriet and I have something in common.
We both got something less than what was on the lab report, which set the price.

Okay first you haven''t stopped talking about not getting money back - and you haven''t even stopped talking about expecting it back - you just are saying you no longer expect it - you''re definitely still talking about it though. And you''re still going on about how you got less than what was on the lab report. I really wish you''d returned the stone. We''ll never hear the end of this.

 

[mrssalvo]

kenny, I never said she shouldn't be compensated for the lower grade if she LOVES the stone. we'll never know if she could/would have loved the stone b/c she was told it was K right off the bat and thought it was an I and freaked out, as most of us would. If she could have seen the stone first, loved it, and then found it it was a J/K or whatever, then I'd say keep the stone, get the price adjusted the 7K or whatever so everyone is happy. I really can't explain it any clearer. I don't think she should love it and keep it with no compensation b/c of the huge price difference the color jump makes.

i was using the example of number/mental hangups that I and others have with their stones. You've got them too

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:41:33 PM
Author: kenny

Huh? Seeing to stone to love it?

What's that got to do with it?

We both got a stone that was less than the report that set the price.
Same thing.

Not even *remotely* the same thing....on so many levels.

And the reason you can't grasp that is because all you're focused on is price. Maybe it's a man thing that you don't get it.

Seeing the stone to love it - what's that got to do with it? EVERYTHING.....because you view it with NO preconceived notion that it's fallen short of expectations. You see it without having in your mind "it's not as perfect as I wanted it to be".

Maybe it's a woman thing.

This thing, by the way, is COMPLETELY unrelated to price/worth. If someone has their heart set on an IF and a stone grades as a VVS1....no amount of adjustment is doing to change the fact that it's not IF. It's already not what that person truly wanted.....and that's a totally separate issue from "what's a fair price on the stone." One is an economic consideration; the other is an emotional consideration.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:38:30 PM
Author: kenny
Al: End resolution: since you stopped following my whinefest:

I kept the asscher and let GOG keep about $1000 that I should have gotten back.

You know - how is anyone to know that YOU didn''t create that chip on your microscope anyway? I mean come on.... return it. Bet ya that $1000 he could sell it for a few more thou than you paid. You got a great deal with or without that <RCH issue. And you know it too.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:41:33 PM
Author: kenny
Diamond seeker2006 wrote, ''. . . Kenny, get a grip. She hadn''t seen the stone to love it before she found out it was not what she expected. This is not the same as your situation.''

Huh? Seeing to stone to love it?

What''s that got to do with it?
We both got a stone that was less than the report that set the price.
Same thing.

Is this how you don''t talk about it? LOL

 

[kenny]

You don''t need to see a 3-carat ACA to love it.

It is like cheesecake.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:51:27 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Okay first you haven''t stopped talking about not getting money back - and you haven''t even stopped talking about expecting it back - you just are saying you no longer expect it - you''re definitely still talking about it though. And you''re still going on about how you got less than what was on the lab report. I really wish you''d returned the stone. We''ll never hear the end of this.

OMG - DYING laughing over here. SO true!

 

[kenny]

Al
are you a woman?

Hard to tell with these names people make up.

 

[aljdewey]

OK - WHO is baking that lemon pie I smell?????

 

[kenny]

Like in the Tina Turner song, "What''s love got to do with it?"

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:48:47 PM
Author: kenny
mrssalvo wrote:
'' . . . I completely understand mental hangups with numbers. . . ''

hangup with numbers?
What?

Here, let me remove thousands of dollars out of your purse.
What?
You have a hangup with numbers?

who took thousands from you kenny? return the stone already - it''s a $30k chip on your shoulder!!!! If love has nothing to do with it, then I''m sure you''ll find another stone.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:58:50 PM
Author: kenny
Al
are you a woman?

Hard to tell with these names people make up.

OMG - are you KIDDING me?

Kenny, you SERIOUSLY need to read more carefully. SERIOUSLY!

A little time in the archives would be of HUGE benefit to you.

 

[kenny]

double post.

 

[kenny]

Okay I'll take that as you are a woman.
I'll try to remember.
(Every think of changing your name to Betty or something?)

I'm gay and I don't make a lot of gender-related assumptions.

Sorry I don't keep track of genders when monikers don't sound like John and Sally.

Internet life is rough.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Where is the ROTFLOL emoticon when you need it????

 

[kenny]

Well I''ve heard worse reactions before.

 

[jayreneepea]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:57:53 PM
Author: kenny
You don''t need to see a 3-carat ACA to love it.

It is like cheesecake.

Does that mean we all love 3 carat ACA K''s?

 

[kenny]

Ceh wrote, "who took thousands from you kenny? return the stone already - it''s a $30k chip on your shoulder!!!! If love has nothing to do with it, then I''m sure you''ll find another stone."

I love it now that I''ve decided to keep it.

Maybe it''s a guy thing.

Who knows?

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:46:11 PM
Author: kenny

the price is set by the report
not by love
not by seeing

You only have HALF of the equation here.

Yes, the price is set by the report.
But, the PRICE doesn''t fully determine whether or not she LIKES THE STONE.

Price only become relevant after it has been established that one likes/wants/desires a given product.

Whether or not she LIKES the stone (mind-clean, emotionally, mentally, etc) has nothing to do with price.
If she doesn''t like the stone, NO price would be low enough. Do you get that?

Put another way:

If I don''t like the taste of caviar, then it doesn''t matter whether or not the price is $1 a jar or $1600 a jar. I don''t like it, and I wouldn''t buy it regardless. Giving me a better price will not cause me to like it.

If I DO like the taste of caviar, THEN and only then is the price relevant to a buying decision.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 12/29/2006 9:05:50 PM
Author: jayrenay9

Date: 12/29/2006 8:57:53 PM
Author: kenny
You don''t need to see a 3-carat ACA to love it.

It is like cheesecake.

Does that mean we all love 3 carat ACA K''s?

I''d rather have a 2.0 carat G or H ACA anyday over a 3 ct. J/K.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 12/29/2006 8:57:53 PM
Author: kenny
You don''t need to see a 3-carat ACA to love it.

It is like cheesecake.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!! I don''t like every cheesecake that comes my way TYVM!