I hope you don't like oranges

[kenny]

Here we go.

'People aren't going to work': A surprising immigration raid set off fears in California farm country

‘If this is the new normal, this is absolute economic devastation,’ says local economist.

calmatters.org

 

[Matata]

or fruit and veggies.

 

[pearlsngems]

It's the logical result.

 

[lala646]

And cue the complaints about "grocery prices".

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Huh, I never realized only criminals were picking oranges. Learn something new everyday!

 

[stracci2000]

Some Native Americans have been questioned by border agents.

“We are advising Navajo citizens to carry state-issued identification, such as a driver’s license or other picture identification if available. Having your state ID is crucial, and if you possess a CIB (Certificate of Indian Blood), it can provide an additional layer of reassurance,” Navajo Nation President Nygren said.

Navajo Nation: Navajo citizens are reporting being questioned and detained in immigration raids | CNN

At least 15 Indigenous people in Arizona and New Mexico have reported being stopped at their homes and workplaces, questioned or detained by federal law enforcement and asked to produce proof of citizenship during immigration raids since Wednesday, according to Navajo Nation officials.

amp.cnn.com

ICE encounters fuel concern for Indigenous New Mexicans

The Mescalero Apache president and Navajo Nation Council both say tribal members have been stopped by immigration officials.

www.santafenewmexican.com

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Some Native Americans have been questioned by border agents.

Navajo Nation: Navajo citizens are reporting being questioned and detained in immigration raids | CNN

At least 15 Indigenous people in Arizona and New Mexico have reported being stopped at their homes and workplaces, questioned or detained by federal law enforcement and asked to produce proof of citizenship during immigration raids since Wednesday, according to Navajo Nation officials.

amp.cnn.com

ICE encounters fuel concern for Indigenous New Mexicans

The Mescalero Apache president and Navajo Nation Council both say tribal members have been stopped by immigration officials.

www.santafenewmexican.com

I'm curious, do they have criminal histories or ties? Was there an investigation for certain criminals ongoing in the area? 15 people, not hoards of people but perhaps some in the same area where known violent criminals hide simply being checked.

This reminds me of my husband and me traveling in Europe with a large group of people from their company. My husband and I were always stopped and at some airport checkpoints had to provide two forms of ID, luggage was opened and gone through with everything we brought exposed and we were left to put things back together and catch up with our group. Never thought of discrimination, luck of the draw and perhaps we fit a certain profile of criminals... young, beautiful and rich, lol.

 

[stracci2000]

I'm curious, do they have criminal histories or ties? Was there an investigation for certain criminals ongoing in the area? 15 people, not hoards of people but perhaps some in the same area where known violent criminals hide simply being checked.

This reminds me of my husband and me traveling in Europe with a large group of people from their company. My husband and I were always stopped and at some airport checkpoints had to provide two forms of ID, luggage was opened and gone through with everything we brought exposed and we were left to put things back together and catch up with our group. Never thought of discrimination, luck of the draw and perhaps we fit a certain profile of criminals... young, beautiful and rich, lol.

I can't believe you are even questioning this!
Apparently, she was at work.

From the CNN article:
"a Navajo woman who said she was questioned by ICE and asked to show proof that she was Native after her workplace was raided Wednesday morning.

The woman says she was at her work site in Scottsdale, Arizona, when she and seven other Indigenous citizens were lined up behind white vans and questioned for two hours"

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I can't believe you are even questioning this!
Apparently, she was at work.

From the CNN article:
"a Navajo woman who said she was questioned by ICE and asked to show proof that she was Native after her workplace was raided Wednesday morning.

The woman says she was at her work site in Scottsdale, Arizona, when she and seven other Indigenous citizens were lined up behind white vans and questioned for two hours"

I think of Laken Riley and wonder how difficult it will be to track and remove these criminals from our midst. I hate that this situation exists but removing the threats cannot be simple.

 

[stracci2000]

I think of Laken Riley and wonder how difficult it will be to track and remove these criminals from our midst. I hate that this situation exists but removing the threats cannot be simple.

Why are you laughing? This is not funny.
Explain yourself, please.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Why are you laughing? This is not funny.
Explain yourself, please.

Oh, good grief! That emoji followed when I hit reply to your statement, I did not add it to that statement.

If you have noticed, no one is laughing at the situation we are in at this point in history.. especially Laken's family and those others so terribly affected.

 

[pearlsngems]

Laken has nothing to do with Native Americans being stopped.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Oh, the laughing emoji just added itself.

Wow. Okay, go back and read post #7 where I added the laughing emoji after making a self-deprecating remark about myself and my husband.

When I hit reply to your statement it followed. Got it? Just wow, what happened to civil discourse?

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Laken has nothing to do with Native Americans being stopped.

I disagree, she has everything to do with the current activities to find and remove dangerous, threatening criminals from our midst. There is no direct attack against Native Americans, a few are interviewed until they are cleared while these searches are being performed.

 

[pearlsngems]

And I disagree with that. Laken is being used as an excuse for excessively broad actions that injure people wholly uninvolved with her case.
Carry on if you like. I'm out.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

And I disagree with that. Laken is being used as an excuse for excessively broad actions that injure people wholly uninvolved with her case.
Carry on if you like. I'm out.

I respect your opinion even though I disagree. The gangs that are redeveloping in this country along with all the criminals released from prisons in other countries are here.

I think many are very unaware of the security threats we are exposed to at this point. I pray we are able to turn those tables.

 

[ShinyPink]

I feel a warning coming from Mom...

Back to the topic, produce is going to be ridiculously expensive, especially for those whose produce comes from Mexico and Chile, with proposed 25-50% tariffs, besides rounding-up the workers. West coast (at least CA) has a different distribution than east coast. CA is the largest producer but our weather isn't helping things any.

And BTW, releasing a bunch of violent citizens back into our streets doesn't really help the "it's immigrants who are the criminals" rhetoric.

 

[stracci2000]

Wow. Okay, go back and read post #7 where I added the laughing emoji after making a self-deprecating remark about me and my husband.

When I hit reply to your statement it followed. Got it? Just wow, what happened to civil discourse?

Ok, fine.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Ok, fine.

If it helps, I apologize for not noticing the laughing emoji followed my post. I was as surprised as you were after you pointed it out to me.

 

[stracci2000]

If it helps, I apologize for not noticing the laughing emoji followed my post. I was as surprised as you were after you pointed it out to me.

Thanks, I apologize too for the misunderstanding.

 

[kenny]

I feel a warning coming from Mom...
...

I doubt it.
Read @Ella 's post from three days ago in the " PSA---Bird Flu and Cats" thread.
We have much more leeway than before, as long as we follow what she has written.

 

[Rockdiamond]

I'm a New Yorker born and bred. I ride the subways. Seen some crazy a$$ people over the years- on the streets and the subways. But always have been able to safely get where I'm going. I got mugged down the East Village in 1976 or so. The city used to be a lot more dangerous.
I feel very safe in Central Park.
There have been crimes there- but I still feel safe, and spend a lot of time in the park.
Still- many out of town friends and clients have the impression that NYC is some sort of a madhouse.
People get pushed onto the tracks, burned, and the list goes on.
If numbers count for anything, NYC isn't even in the top 24

https://realestate.usnews.com/laces/rankings/most-dangerous-places

It's just so easy to pick the really bad stuff that happens and emphasize it in a way that makes it seem commonplace.
Statistically, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens.
I bet that of all the people who are happy to see deportations.....the vast majority have never had a single problem with an immigrant.
It's so sad to see us ripped apart over sensationalism. It actually prevents working to the real solution.....fixing the immigration system.
Peace. I'm still a child of the '60's

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I'm a child of 60's also and I'm not looking to have everyone shipped back to their country, just the criminal element and those looking to harm our country.

If one's ox isn't being gored, things can and will be ignored. We live approximately 60 miles away from a sanctuary city that has problems. Why is returning the criminal element that was released from prisons in the countries looking to get rid of them an issue?

There is great concern that imprisoning the cartel/gang members here will help them build the sophisticated gang situations here that were originally developed in prisons in those countries.

 

[Rockdiamond]

On a personal level- and it relates to our common love- Diamonds- Immigrants have changed the landscape.
Years ago, the main diamond companies were owned by Americans. Who hired Americans, for fair wages. (**although there were always immigrants in the diamond biz, for the sake or discussion, say they were Americans)
"Fair wages" in the diamond business were pretty darn fair up back in the '70's through the early 2000's.
A high level office worker made something like the equivalent of $75k today. A good salesman could make $300k in today's dollars. The top guys, made 1/2 a mil.
Everything shifted- and now pretty much all the major league players are either retail online behemoths that employ a tiny percentage of the retail sector of 20 years ago- or wholesale Oligarchal sort of behemoths out of India.
The people working for these Indian Diamond companies here in the States are virtually all from India.
The people working for these companies are by and large very nice to work with. But they're not like the diamond workers of old....there's no chance to advance past a relatively low level of subsistence for the bulk of these workers.
Basically, immigrants have taken jobs from Americans
But a bigger picture is that the wealth of the diamond business has been redistributed. The poor guys and gals who are here from India, working for low wages with no hope of advancement are not the bad guys. More like legal slavery.....
And good paying American jobs are but a memory.....
The word "Scapegoat" comes to mind

 

[Karl_K]

There are several legal ways to bring in workers if needed.
But if they did so they have to provide min. wage, water, housing and access to buy food and provide basic medical care.
It is much cheaper to hire people on a street corner, force them to compete for the lowest wage and provide nothing for them.
The lower cost is not passed on it goes in the companies pockets.

The owners should be fined a million dollars a day per illegal they have working for them.
Real fines not PR fines where they say they are fined a million bucks but they negotiated it down to $50.

That would be much better for the workers because they would be legal and very much better for the rule of law.

The government has created a monster and there is no painless way to solve it.