Find your diamond
Find your jewelry
shape
carat
color
clarity

Is anyone else feeling sick about what’s happening in the world?

I completely agree that Putin should be stopped, personally stopped. It is horrifying to see what is happening in Ukraine and my prayers are with them.

I have always thought that any leader should consider if he/she would send their own child into battle. So many of the recent conflicts that US troops were involved in would have been avoided if our leaders would have been required to send their own kids as well as enlisted troops. Definitely an oversimplification, but I don't think leaders always truly consider this. I am extremely grateful for our armed forces and believe that we should value them enough to send "boots on the ground" as an absolute last resort. Not to even mention, the threat of WWIII is real.
 
Gussie said:
I completely agree that Putin should be stopped, personally stopped. It is horrifying to see what is happening in Ukraine and my prayers are with them.

I have always thought that any leader should consider if he/she would send their own child into battle. So many of the recent conflicts that US troops were involved in would have been avoided if our leaders would have been required to send their own kids as well as enlisted troops. Definitely an oversimplification, but I don't think leaders always truly consider this. I am extremely grateful for our armed forces and believe that we should value them enough to send "boots on the ground" as an absolute last resort. Not to even mention, the threat of WWIII is real.
Click to expand...

What’s that quote. The rich start wars. The poor pay the ultimate price for them. :(
 
Putin is completely ridiculous and I can't believe the nonsense coming out of his mouth:

Putin wants ‘normalization’ of global relations, saying there is ‘no need’ for sanctions on Russia​


By Robyn Dixon
and
Timothy Bella

Today at 11:05 a.m. EST

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin called Friday for the “normalization” of relations with other states, saying Moscow has “absolutely no ill intentions with regard to our neighbors.”

Speaking via video link at a ceremony raising the Russian flag on a Kaliningrad ferry, Putin called for global coordination, even as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine entered its second week.

“I think that everyone should think about normalizing relations and cooperating normally,” he said.
He said Russia saw no need to aggravate tensions with other countries, claiming that Moscow’s actions in Ukraine came only “in response to unfriendly actions toward Russia.”

Complete article here:

 
Matata said:
Morals and world government often times have a passing acquaintance. Our greater duty is to ensure we don't start WWIII unless there is no other option. The Ukrainian conflict is garnering the feels because it is benefitting from broad global media coverage. It has been dubbed the Tik Tok war because of the live updates taking place on that and other social media apps. Elsewhere there is plenty of genocide going on in the world for far longer than the war in Ukraine and for which more people have died and are dying and for which we all have a moral responsibility to lend assistance and for which we are doing as much as we can yet it amounts to little. Remember the Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and other Turkic Muslims in China; Rohingya in Myanmar; Nuer and other ethic groups in South Sudan; Yazidis in Iraq and Syria; Darfuris in Sudan; more in Ethiopia and the Central African Republic.
Click to expand...

This opinion piece explains the realpolitik philosophy at play that Matata described.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/opinions/realpolitik-putin-ukraine-mabry/index.html
 
FL_runner said:
" [Putin] has “absolutely no ill intentions with regard to our neighbors.”
Click to expand...

So I can break in, rob and kill my next door neighbors because "I have absolutely no ill intentions with regard to my neighbors." :rolleyes: :doh:

Riiiiight! Love that, Vlad!
What a guy! :nono:
 
Last edited:
Folks a reminder that we don’t allow politics here, and especially don’t allow discussion about how someone should be assassinated. Please keep the rules in mind as you post so you can continue to discuss current events.
 
It is truly heartbreaking and gives me the sads. Continued prayers for all involved and especially those in harm's way.
 
It's just going to hell in a hand basket. I'm so conflicted about the valid points made about all the suffering/killing in Africa and how it isn't acknowledged or that refugees aren't welcome from there vs Ukraine. I guess conflicted isn't the right word. It really upsets me, but I don't know what to do about it. It's just totally messed-up.:cry2:
And I just paid $5.25/gal for gas. :angryfire: Gas companies are seeing record profits, so WTH? I'm sure they get away with it because of certain donations.
Then there's all this outlawing of helping trans youth. It makes me sick. I had a stomach ache all of last night.

When will we treat people like people?????
 
Heartbraking :(

They Died by a Bridge in Ukraine. This Is Their Story.​

Andrew E. Kramer
March 9, 2022, 4:50 p.m.
Andrew E. Kramer

"KYIV, Ukraine — They met in high school but became a couple years later, after meeting again on a dance floor at a Ukrainian nightclub. Married in 2001, they lived in a bedroom community outside Kyiv, in an apartment with their two children and their dogs, Benz and Cake. She was an accountant and he was a computer programmer.
Serhiy and Tetiana Perebyinis owned a Chevrolet minivan. They shared a country home with friends, and Ms. Perebyinis was a dedicated gardener and an avid skier. She had just returned from a ski trip to Georgia.
And then, late last month, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the fighting quickly moved toward Kyiv. It wasn’t long before artillery shells were crashing into their neighborhood. One night, a shell hit their building, prompting Ms. Perebyinis and the children to move to the basement. Finally, with her husband away in eastern Ukraine tending to his ailing mother, Ms. Perebyinis decided it was time to take her children and run.
They didn’t make it. Ms. Perebyinis, 43, and her two children, Mykyta, 18, and Alisa, 9, along with a church volunteer who was helping them, Anatoly Berezhnyi, 26, were killed on Sunday as they dashed across the concrete remnants of a damaged bridge in their town of Irpin, trying to evacuate to Kyiv.



Their luggage — a blue roller suitcase, a gray suitcase and some backpacks — was scattered near their bodies, along with a green carrying case for a small dog that was barking.
They were four people among the many who tried to cross that bridge last weekend, but their deaths resonated far beyond their Ukrainian suburb. A photograph of the family and Mr. Berezhnyi lying bloodied and motionless, taken by a New York Times photographer, Lynsey Addario, encapsulates the indiscriminate slaughter by an invading Russian army that has increasingly targeted heavily populated civilian areas.


Ukrainian soldiers trying to save a man — the only one of four at that moment who still had a pulse — moments after being hit by a mortar while trying to flee Irpin, near Kyiv, on Sunday.



Ukrainian soldiers trying to save a man — the only one of four at that moment who still had a pulse — moments after being hit by a mortar while trying to flee Irpin, near Kyiv, on Sunday.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
The family’s lives and their final hours were described in an interview by Mr. Perebyinis and a godmother, Polina Nedava. Mr. Perebyinis, also 43, said he learned of the death of his family on Twitter, from posts by Ukrainians.
Breaking down in tears for the only time in the interview, Mr. Perebyinis said he told his wife the night before she died that he was sorry he wasn’t with her.



“I told her, ‘Forgive me that I couldn’t defend you,’” he said. “I tried to care for one person, and it meant I cannot protect you.”
“She said, ‘Don’t worry, I will get out.’”
After she didn’t, he said he felt it was important that their deaths had been recorded in photographs and video. “The whole world should know what is happening here,” he said.
The Perebyinis family had already been displaced once by war, in 2014, when they were living in Donetsk in the east and Russia fomented a separatist uprising. They moved to Kyiv to escape the fighting and started rebuilding their lives. When Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine last month, they could hardly believe it was happening again, Mr. Perebyinis said.


Tetiana Perebyinis, 43, and her son Mykyta, 18.



Tetiana Perebyinis, 43, and her son Mykyta, 18.Credit...Serhiy Perebyinis


Alisa Perebyinis, 9.



Alisa Perebyinis, 9.Credit...Serhiy Perebyinis
Ms. Perebyinis’ employer, SE Ranking, a software company with offices in California and London, had encouraged employees to leave Ukraine immediately once the fighting started. It had even rented rooms for them in Poland, Mr. Perebyinis said. But his wife delayed her departure because of uncertainty over how to evacuate her mother, who has Alzheimer’s disease.
A colleague at work, Anastasia Avetysian, said that SE Ranking had provided emergency funds for employees to evacuate and that Ms. Perebyinis, as the chief accountant in Ukraine, had been busy in her final days disbursing them.
“We were all in touch with her,” Ms. Avetysian said in a telephone interview. “Even when she was hiding in the basement, she was optimistic and joking in our group chat that the company would now need to do a special operation to get them out, like ‘Saving Private Ryan.’”



But behind the jokes was a period of waiting and intense worrying, Mr. Perebyinis said. His son, Mykyta, started sleeping during the day and staying up all night, keeping a vigil over his mother and sister. When there were sounds of fighting, he woke them up and all three would move into a corridor, away from the windows. “My son was under a lot of stress,” Mr. Perebyinis said.



The family’s apartment building, damaged by Russian shelling earlier this month.

The family’s apartment building, damaged by Russian shelling earlier this month.Credit...Serhiy Perebyinis


Mykyta and Alisa sleeping in the hallway of their home, away from the sounds of fighting.

Image

Mykyta and Alisa sleeping in the hallway of their home, away from the sounds of fighting.Credit...Serhiy Perebyinis
Last Saturday, after two days in the basement, they made a first attempt at evacuating. But as they were packing up their minivan, a tank rolled by on the street outside. They decided to wait.
The next day they were up and moving by about 7 a.m. Tetiana Perebyinis had discussed the plan in minute detail with her husband. She and her two children and her mother and father, who lived nearby, would join a church group and try to evacuate toward Kyiv, and then get somewhere safe from there.
They drove as far as they could in Irpin, but then Ms. Perebyinis was forced to abandon the minivan. They set out on foot toward a damaged bridge over the Irpin River.
To escape, they were forced to cross a hundred yards or so of exposed street on one side of the bridge. As Russian forces fired into the area, many tried to seek cover behind a brick wall.
Mr. Berezhnyis, the church volunteer, who had earlier evacuated his own family but had returned to help others, was with Ms. Perebyinis and her children when they began to dash toward the other side.

​

​

​

Through the night, Mr. Perebyinis had tried to monitor his wife’s location using a locator app on their phones. But it showed nothing: the family was in a basement, without cell reception.


Tetiana Perebyinis.




Pieces of shrapnel collected from the scene of the mortar attack in Irpin.

Pieces of shrapnel collected from the scene of the mortar attack in Irpin.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
Around dawn, he said, he saw one ping, showing them at their home address. But nothing showed them moving. Cellphone coverage had become too spotty in the town.

​

​

The next ping of a location on Mr. Perebyinis’ phone came around 10 Sunday morning. It was at Clinical Hospital No. 7 in Kyiv. Something had gone wrong.​

He called his wife’s number. It was ringing, but nobody answered. He called his children’s phone numbers, with the same result.
A half-hour or so later, he saw a post on Twitter saying a family had been killed in a mortar strike on the evacuation route out of Irpin. A short time later, another Twitter post appeared, with a picture. “I recognized the luggage and that is how I knew,” he said.
When the mortar shell hit, the family and Mr. Berezhnyi were about 12 yards away from the crater left by the mortar. They had no chance. The explosion sent out a spray of hundreds of jagged, metallic shrapnel shards. Their bodies slumped onto the muddy street beside a monument to World War II dead from Irpin. A plaque on the monument read: “Eternal memory to those who fell for the fatherland in the Great Patriotic War.”



Ms. Perebyinis’s parents were behind the mother and children and were unharmed. They are now staying with Ms. Nedava, the godmother. The following day, a snowstorm blew over Kyiv. The suitcases, one of which had been knocked open by the explosion or later opened by passers-by, lay covered in snow on the street beside blood stains. It held only clothes: a pink child’s tank top, sweatpants, yellow and blue child-size socks, apparently for Alisa.
When asked to describe his wife, Mr. Perebyinis slumped in his chair. Ms. Nedava offered that she had a “light” spirit, was often joking and cheered up a room.
Over their long marriage, Mr. Perebyinis added, “We refurbished three apartments and never argued once.”
Mr. Berezhnyi had moved his wife to western Ukraine but had returned to Irpin to help with the evacuation organized by his church, the Irpin Bible Church, the pastor, Mykola Romaniuk, said in a telephone interview.
When the mortar strike began, with shells landing first a few hundred yards away, Mr. Romaniuk said other church volunteers saw Mr. Berezhnyi run to help Ms. Perebyinis. “He took her suitcase and they started running,” he said.


Mr. Perebyinis with the bloodied and torn clothes of his wife, recovered from the scene where she and their children died.


Mr. Perebyinis with the bloodied and torn clothes of his wife, recovered from the scene where she and their children died.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
Mr. Berezhnyi, Pastor Romaniuk said, was quiet and generous. “He was the kind of friend who is ready to help with no words needed,” he said. “I do not know how God can forgive such crimes.”



In mid-February, before the war started, Mr. Perebyinis had traveled to his hometown, Donetsk, in rebel-held eastern Ukraine, to care for his mother, who was sick with Covid-19. After hostilities began, the crossing point closed and Mr. Perebyinis was trapped in the East.
To return to Kyiv from separatist-controlled eastern Ukraine after the death of his family, Mr. Perebyinis traveled into Russia and flew to the city of Kaliningrad, to cross a land border into Poland. At the Russia-Poland border, he said, Russian guards questioned him, took his fingerprints and seemed ready to arrest him for unclear reasons, though he was eventually allowed to travel on.
He said he told them: “My whole family died in what you call a special operation and we call a war. You can do what you want with me. I have nothing left to lose.’’
Maria Varenikova contributed reporting from Lviv, Ukraine.
The Crisis in Ukraine
Andrew E. Kramer is a reporter based in the Moscow bureau. He was part of a team that won the 2017 Pulitzer Prize in International Reporting for a series on Russia’s covert projection of power. @AndrewKramerNYT
A version of this article appears in print on March 10, 2022, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: Love, Duty, Flight and Death: A Ukraine Family’s War Story .

"
 
After donating money and lots of things that were missing at the border I was called yesterday because the refugees now start coming into France in bigger numbers. And they need help.

They fortunately have the right to travel within Europe and Poland is completely overwhelmed. They are absolutely doing the best anyone could and it's moving to see the solidarity there, but we're dealing with the biggest refugee numbers in Europe since WW2.

So my friend calls me and says two moms have arrived in Paris with their 3&15 y/o children.
A hotel offered them to stay free of charge but they literally only have the clothes on their bodies .
We were able to provide clothes for them and their children, some toys and sanitary items. And homemade Cookies! I dropped everything off. Very very chilling to meet them. They were lovely, but in spite of state aids (they will get housing and money as asylum seekers) they have just NOTHING in between. CC s not working, having to stay in a country where the cost if living is 2-3 X what it is in your own country lets your emergency cash melt FAST. Both worried sick for their husbands.

Sorry for the rant, but we'll be in there for a long time and those people just did nothing wrong. They didn't vote for the wrong guy, didn't stay silent in front of a dictator... Were attacked and had to run for their lives. Now in a tiny hotel room, fearing for the life of their husbands & relatives, trying to put on a brave face for the children.


It's hard to bear.
 
Matata said:
I think the world owes both of us a debt of gratitude that we are not the ones who will resolve the problem. I would have nuked Russia on day 1 and you would have hugged them to death :mrgreen:
Click to expand...

❤️ you so much @Matata :bigsmile: ❤️
 
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
GET 3 FREE HCA RESULTS JOIN THE FORUM. ASK FOR HELP
Jewelry Blog
PriceScope-Concierge-Ad
Find prime cuts.
Top