is it safe?

[sylvesterii]

here is another (small) photo. I think i like this stone better than the previous one. it seems to have a bit more life to it.

 

[pricescope]

I guess there is no easy way, sorry.

All i did was reduced size of the first demantoid photo, matched backgrounds and pasted in one pic.

My choice would be just ask Wink at this time.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 12/13/2005 12:45:39 PM
Author: sylvesterii

How about this, is this one too ''busy'' would the rose gold inlay with engraving be too much with the platinum ...

How big is the ring? You mentioned 30 pts stones ... and that should be about 4mm each. The ones in the ring picture look allot smaller. What is the ring size and how wide will it be?

I like multicolor metal inlays and engravig allot. definitely not ''too much'' for me because the ring is not a huge object and ends up as a small dress detail after all.

 

[valeria101]

Trying to think through eh 100 little details - that it should be a guy''s ring, not too futuristic, band-like, not too busy, protective for at least one of two 4mm rounds etc... the one below looks like a neat choice. If the overlay holding the stone would spin over the background - even better. If the underside would be Ti (black?) with a bushed finish on the overlay I''d love it even more. I wonder if a shop doing Ti rings would not also have the right equipment to cut out ''slots'' for the stones in a more interesting pattern (i.e like this distant cousin - thinking of a background for a spinning band not unlike that ring).

One of the more interesting guy''s rings I cam across (not to many, the folk I get to meet is quite conservative) had four little stones (tiny sapphires of different shades) set N-S-E-V. Probably fun to turn around with the different colors turning up alternatively.

 

[sylvesterii]

yeah, 4mm for each stone.

i was hoping it would be max 8mm wide

My ring size is a 10, and my wedding band is 7mm wide, and that is fine on my hand.

You are pretty spot on for what I am looking.

That would be SWEET if it could spin...black titanium. hm. that sounds really cool. never come across that.

 

[valeria101]

Someone at Absolute Titanium must have been reading my mind. Well... almost.

ring before and after inlaying.


It would take something smarter than Paint to make this look round (w/o to much grief). I was curious about the scale and made this in a minute to figure that part out:

 

[valeria101]

This one just turned out - it must be the picture to blame (partially), but it definitely looks intriguing and probably more practical to make:

I know absolutely nothing of the site where it comes from (Google images direct). Can't see where the secind stone would go in logically - but the final version could always have the 'stacked' look.

The grains in the carved rail reminds me of another designer whose work I like allot and uses this extensively - Zoltan David. Only his patented beaded inlays are smaller, lace-like designs and he does not use Ti as far as I know.

 

[Hest88]

Sylvesterii, I don''t know if my experience will help, but demantoids are pretty difficult to photograph. Wink''s photos are really different from Pala''s photos. Pala has an incredible photographic technique, with stones lit from beneath instead of just from above. The photos are accurate as far as color, but in a super-idealized environment--if that makes sense. When I was choosing my larger demantoid early this year I ended up looking at 3 different stones. Wink actually brought in 3-4 additional ones that he evaluated and talked over with me that didn''t work well enough to bother sending to me. So, you can see how difficult it is to judge these stones without seeing them in person.

One of the stones I brought in has a hue that''s only slightly darker than the pict of the one you like:

In real life, with my limited photographic skills, this was the color in real light. It''s the one on the left.

Incidentally, as further comparison, the one on the right is the stone I use as my avatar.

I do think the easiest way to go is just to have Wink talk to Pala about bringing in a stone or two that looks closest to the med-bright color you want. It''s also hard to tell how fiery a stone might be from the picture, if fire is important to you, so you''ve really got to see it in person. Josh at Pala can probably help, and then Wink can help evaluate it further.

Good luck and I can''t wait to see what you end up getting!

 

[sylvesterii]

well,
to make things more interesting, it sounds like the demantoid that I seem to like more has a single thread inclusion in it, while the one with a little less brilliance has a stunning horsetail. see below...now what to do? How important is that full horsetail, even if it does interfere with the overall performance of the stone? I hope wink doesn''t mind that I am posting these pics to here, they are just such good shots, it is great to get others opinions on them.

 

[Hest88]

The importance of a horsetail really comes down to what you want. Personally, if you''re buying a small stone where the horsetail is not going to be visible under normal circumstances I''m not sure if it''s that important given the overall look of your ring. The horsetail in my larger stone is easily visible--which gives me a thrill every time I look it. The inclusions in my smaller stone--a 6.2mm--are obvious when I''m peering at it, but once set in a ring I seriously doubt the inclusions are going to be noticable unless I''m louping them all the time. As a result, I''m glad I went for color and brilliance over the niceness of a horsetail.

 

[sylvesterii]

Date: 12/28/2005 11:51:02 AM
Author: Hest88
The importance of a horsetail really comes down to what you want. Personally, if you''re buying a small stone where the horsetail is not going to be visible under normal circumstances I''m not sure if it''s that important given the overall look of your ring. The horsetail in my larger stone is easily visible--which gives me a thrill every time I look it. The inclusions in my smaller stone--a 6.2mm--are obvious when I''m peering at it, but once set in a ring I seriously doubt the inclusions are going to be noticable unless I''m louping them all the time. As a result, I''m glad I went for color and brilliance over the niceness of a horsetail.

That is a good point hest, it is rather small, and thus not likely to be eye visible. But I do like to play with my loupe! I suppose the real reason to desire it in a small stone would be to ensure the russian origin of the stone. (although i think somebody mentioned some afghani stones that have horsetails too) I wonder if the single thread in the brighter stone is enough for a gg to consider it not (namibian?) i think the others are from namibia...

 

[Hest88]

I wonder if the single thread in the brighter stone is enough for a gg to consider it not (namibian?)

I''m totally with you on the allure of a Russian vs. a Namibian demantoid. From what I understand, the presence of that strand does distinguish it from the Namibian demantoids but I''m not 100% positive.

 

[MJO]

Date: 12/28/2005 12:09:47 PM
Author: Hest88

I wonder if the single thread in the brighter stone is enough for a gg to consider it not (namibian?)

I''m totally with you on the allure of a Russian vs. a Namibian demantoid. From what I understand, the presence of that strand does distinguish it from the Namibian demantoids but I''m not 100% positive.

Namibian stones do not contain horsetail inclussions and some of the new mine Russian stones don''t either but..........Some Iranian stones do.

Regards,
Maurice

 

[sylvesterii]

well...I''ve decided to go with the single fiber brighter stone. I just let wink know. He in his infinite amount of time did a really great thing for me. took a photo of BOTH the eightstar and the demantoid. here it is!! While the demantoid is 1mm bigger, and in this picture it does look a wee bit larger (if you stare at it and stare at it) I doubt the difference would be noticeable once set. Am i correct in that assumption, since this picture is about 10x its actual size.

now it is just the long wait until i am actually ready to make the ring...

 

[Hest88]

I agree that the size difference is negligible and won''t make a whit of difference in a ring. Congratulations on your new stones and I can''t wait to see the final result!

 

[sylvesterii]

scratch that. wrong picture. that was the 4.2mm .38 demantoid w/ the horsetail. HERE is the 4.1mm .33 demantoid with the single fiber. (which wink did say should be enough to eliminate namibian origin.)

The size difference is even less noticeable, and i think this stone does look better, now that i see both comparison photos back to back.

 

[Hest88]

Ah yes, this is much nicer. The other one is too pale. It looks like a heavily included emerald.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 12/29/2005 2:26:38 PM
Author: sylvesterii

scratch that. wrong picture. that was the 4.2mm .38 demantoid w/ the horsetail. HERE is the 4.1mm .33 demantoid with the single fiber. (which wink did say should be enough to eliminate Namibian origin.)

How nice!

I haven't caught the inclusion debate, but sure enough I would have made the same choice - it makes little sense to choose worse clarity over better when brilliance is the most thought after quality of the stone.

Not that inclusions don't make spectacular shows sometimes... Obviously, this one was meant to show off the radiating mop of brysolite fibers and not much else.

Yours has such nice color... that would be plenty to show where it comes from: if there is Namibian demantoid this green, there can't be much.

 

[sylvesterii]

Well, i found some awesome designs from some finnish designers that I have been playing with thanks to Rezi, who is a PSer from Finland.

The first three that I photoshopped up are from http://www.aurifaber.fi/

The last is from http://www.uniondesign.fi/

In many ways they resemble designs that I had in my mind already. It is so strange. perhaps all this "finlander" talk my dad yaps about is true.

a couple other websites of finnish designs are http://www.lapponia.com/ Rezi mentioned that these are more "traditional" as opposed to modern.

and

and http://www.kalevalakoru.com/ also traditional.

 

[sylvesterii]

#1

 

[sylvesterii]

#2

 

[sylvesterii]

#3

 

[sylvesterii]

#4

 

[portoar]

Love #s 3 and 4. Demantoid garnets are yummy. I wish I had one. I love green gemstones.

 

[valeria101]

Great! - like ''em all... no help

#1 & #2 ... if you feel are not ''girlie'', why not - bypass rings are very flattering (for me, at least, but I am not a guy).

#3 - great, really. For anyone I can think of.

#4 - super (does it look like a precious pod?), but... how do you clean it?



Anyway, it is all a matter of taste - yours, not mine.

I had forgotten this tread, until reading a lab report today I happened to find THIS along with some cute microphotographs of the same kind. Hope you like these things too, especially after acquiring a ''sample''

 

[pricescope]

As Suomi as it gets - from Lapponia

 

[pricescope]

Same base picture, demantoid replaced diamond in "rased bezel".

 

[sylvesterii]

wow, those are cool. They almost look like drift wood.

It never even occurred to me to have a ring that wasn't symetrical all the way around. some areas with more metal, others without. what a concept!

 

[sylvesterii]

on the laponia website they list the metal alloy as this:

Alloy: 585 o/oo
750 o/oo

I am guessing that is the same as when we list 950 plat. as parts per thousand correct?

if my math is right
14K = 583 ( 585, pretty close)
18K = 750

Is this how all european(other than the brits, i assume they are on the "K" plan too) countries talk of the alloys? I am guessing it is.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:07:59 PM
Author: sylvesterii

wow, those are cool. They almost look like drift wood.

Yes, wow!

And a green spring on rough bark looks very much in place.

Just in case you don't want your stones sent to Finland... These Guys make 'twig' jewelry on order. The 'bark' is not quite as prominent, but you could always ask.