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Yes, both I and the owners of the lagoon Beryl will be in Tucson. I am not sure that I will have any of it in my booth but I can no doubt point you to where it is if you drop by.
Here is another pic of the material in one of my "Dreamscape tm cuts.
As to the name "Lagoon" I did not name it so sorry if it reminds you of swamps, I don''t think that is the intention.
Here is another pic of the material in one of my "Dreamscape tm cuts.
As to the name "Lagoon" I did not name it so sorry if it reminds you of swamps, I don''t think that is the intention.
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All,
BUYING ROUGH, THE BIG GAMBOL
Not sure I like the term "middleman," but as the saying goes "so long as you don''t call me late for lunch" I have been buying John''s stones for years and I try to see him the first day in Tucson, it is always a treat. John Dyer is a brilliant lapidary, but though everything is beautifully cut, there is a wide range of quality, color wise, in his stones because john, like all cutters must cut the rough he chooses and he will be the first one to admit that rough does not yield up its secrets gladly (am I right John?).
I recall buying what I thought was a lovely perfect piece of purple Umba River sapphire rough that, when cut, yielded an African Padparadscha. A purple rough that turned pinkish orange, go figure!
I truly enjoy the gambol of buying rough but I usually buy cut stones. They are a known quantity and quality and if you are not buying in large quantity it is a much more intelligent choice. So if this "middleman" can be of any help please let me know. I do try to buy with both eyes open.
BUYING ROUGH, THE BIG GAMBOL
Not sure I like the term "middleman," but as the saying goes "so long as you don''t call me late for lunch" I have been buying John''s stones for years and I try to see him the first day in Tucson, it is always a treat. John Dyer is a brilliant lapidary, but though everything is beautifully cut, there is a wide range of quality, color wise, in his stones because john, like all cutters must cut the rough he chooses and he will be the first one to admit that rough does not yield up its secrets gladly (am I right John?).
I recall buying what I thought was a lovely perfect piece of purple Umba River sapphire rough that, when cut, yielded an African Padparadscha. A purple rough that turned pinkish orange, go figure!
I truly enjoy the gambol of buying rough but I usually buy cut stones. They are a known quantity and quality and if you are not buying in large quantity it is a much more intelligent choice. So if this "middleman" can be of any help please let me know. I do try to buy with both eyes open.
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All,
Opps, I see I misspelled gamble, well sort of, this post is a bit of a gambol.
I know that for most of you, "middleman" is a bad word. Many, if not most of the regular members are are dedicated to scrambling as far up the food chain as possible. Nothing wrong with that, good strategy! I share your dedication. Some of you have been successful mostly by dedicating yourselves to learning about gems. If I didn''t believe in that I would not have written Secrets.
For some, however, I wonder, I really do! I wince when I see some of the "colored stone eye candy" images from Fleabay and others. Everyone jumps in with oohs and ahs and I bite my tongue.
The gem trade is one of the last bastions of laissez faire capitalism, it is a tough place to get an education. If you are not willing to take the time, be patient and educate yourselves, some of the middlemen on Pricescope may provide your best option. If recent history has taught us anything, it is that it is easy to be taken. Look at Madoff, sub-prime mortgages and remember Enron! Some pretty smart folks took a bath with those guys.
A good deal on a bad stone is no deal at all. Be careful out there and Happy New Year
Opps, I see I misspelled gamble, well sort of, this post is a bit of a gambol.
I know that for most of you, "middleman" is a bad word. Many, if not most of the regular members are are dedicated to scrambling as far up the food chain as possible. Nothing wrong with that, good strategy! I share your dedication. Some of you have been successful mostly by dedicating yourselves to learning about gems. If I didn''t believe in that I would not have written Secrets.
For some, however, I wonder, I really do! I wince when I see some of the "colored stone eye candy" images from Fleabay and others. Everyone jumps in with oohs and ahs and I bite my tongue.
The gem trade is one of the last bastions of laissez faire capitalism, it is a tough place to get an education. If you are not willing to take the time, be patient and educate yourselves, some of the middlemen on Pricescope may provide your best option. If recent history has taught us anything, it is that it is easy to be taken. Look at Madoff, sub-prime mortgages and remember Enron! Some pretty smart folks took a bath with those guys.
A good deal on a bad stone is no deal at all. Be careful out there and Happy New Year
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Date: 1/2/2009 10:12:07 AM
Author: John Dyer
Yes, both I and the owners of the lagoon Beryl will be in Tucson. I am not sure that I will have any of it in my booth but I can no doubt point you to where it is if you drop by.
Here is another pic of the material in one of my ''Dreamscape tm cuts.
As to the name ''Lagoon'' I did not name it so sorry if it reminds you of swamps, I don''t think that is the intention.
I love the hue, and the name is lovely--a cool blue lagoon.
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Cool cutting, it reminds me of an ice cube!! That would be some gorgeous lemonade!!Date: 1/2/2009 10:12:07 AM
Author: John Dyer
Yes, both I and the owners of the lagoon Beryl will be in Tucson. I am not sure that I will have any of it in my booth but I can no doubt point you to where it is if you drop by.
Here is another pic of the material in one of my ''Dreamscape tm cuts.
As to the name ''Lagoon'' I did not name it so sorry if it reminds you of swamps, I don''t think that is the intention.
Don''t apologize, I often wonder where they come up with the names for things. At least it''s not swamp beryl. Ha!!!
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Hello all, sorry for having been AWOL but this is a very busy time of year for me.
In Answer to some of the questions that have been asked:
Harriet, I exhibit at the Pueblo Gem Show before and after the main shows open and then at the GJX during the period when the main shows are open. Our other booths will still have inventory during this period but the bulk of the larger merchandise will be at the GJX. For further info regarding our shows including maps and floorplans check out our site and click on the shows button.
In answer to a previous question regarding the quality of rough I use. I try to use the highest quality of rough that I can find for several reasons. This is because I have a reputation to maintain, people prefer buying high grade material so it is easier to sell, and last but probably most important, low grade rough takes just as much work if not more to cu. So my labor in low grade material does not go as far and is not as well repaid as when I cut high quality material.
This having been said there are some unpleasant surprises at times as Richard mentioned. That is why those who buy the finished gem have an advantage, you get to choose the best of the best AND a gem that goes with your aesthetic taste. So when you buy cut gems it is far more of a "Gambol" than a "Gamble".
"Some of the cuts remind me of sweets, or something I would find at an exhibition of an interplanetary voyage or an archaeological dig."
This is why I call these unusual combination cuts "Dreamscapes tm" first I dream them up and then other people dream up all kinds of different things that they see in them. Lots of fun is had by all. Speaking of dreamscapes tm, Richard had a really nice amethyst of mine and probably still does unless he sold it. I think he did some kind of writeup on the design process of something.
Jelly, no I do not cut diamonds. That takes different equipment and is not as open to creativity so I do not foresee doing this in the near future either. Sorry! (I am glad you liked the ZigZag tm cut. It uses a grooving technique to give brilliance to a long shape that would otherwise be uninteresting in a standard emerald cut. It is one of my trademark cuts.)
In Answer to some of the questions that have been asked:
Harriet, I exhibit at the Pueblo Gem Show before and after the main shows open and then at the GJX during the period when the main shows are open. Our other booths will still have inventory during this period but the bulk of the larger merchandise will be at the GJX. For further info regarding our shows including maps and floorplans check out our site and click on the shows button.
In answer to a previous question regarding the quality of rough I use. I try to use the highest quality of rough that I can find for several reasons. This is because I have a reputation to maintain, people prefer buying high grade material so it is easier to sell, and last but probably most important, low grade rough takes just as much work if not more to cu. So my labor in low grade material does not go as far and is not as well repaid as when I cut high quality material.
This having been said there are some unpleasant surprises at times as Richard mentioned. That is why those who buy the finished gem have an advantage, you get to choose the best of the best AND a gem that goes with your aesthetic taste. So when you buy cut gems it is far more of a "Gambol" than a "Gamble".
"Some of the cuts remind me of sweets, or something I would find at an exhibition of an interplanetary voyage or an archaeological dig."
This is why I call these unusual combination cuts "Dreamscapes tm" first I dream them up and then other people dream up all kinds of different things that they see in them. Lots of fun is had by all. Speaking of dreamscapes tm, Richard had a really nice amethyst of mine and probably still does unless he sold it. I think he did some kind of writeup on the design process of something.
Jelly, no I do not cut diamonds. That takes different equipment and is not as open to creativity so I do not foresee doing this in the near future either. Sorry! (I am glad you liked the ZigZag tm cut. It uses a grooving technique to give brilliance to a long shape that would otherwise be uninteresting in a standard emerald cut. It is one of my trademark cuts.)
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