Khalil Mahmoud

[Ella]

Folks, stop with the political posts. And yes, debating Israel vs. Palestine is highly political. Stop. It's not the topic of this thread.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Missy. This thread is not about Gaza. Not about Hamas.


The facts being presented here are about America.
You can not see beyond very strong- justifiable hate.
But hate it is.

Its causing so many of us to ignore the draconian policies being put in place.
Ignore the similarities to authoritarian regimes like Hungary.
Ignore a global trade was started by the US and based entirely on lies and misinformation. Do not look at your stock portfolio. Don’t look at the fact that the US is now a dangerous country to visit- tourism numbers plummeting.
It’s impossible for you to have a discussion about US policies without constantly changing the subject to fit your narrative about Israel. Completely impossible.
I wish you the very best.
Based on facts and actions being carried out by the policies being enacted, many of feel the reality HERE in the USA is about to bite us all in the ass.

 

[missy]

@Rockdiamond

David, this thread is about Khalid Mahmoud. A person who supports terrorists and terror. In Israel.

How do we talk about him and the reason this administration wants him deported without discussing Gaza and Israel?

In addition I was just responding to your questions and answering them. That's the way conversation works.
Ebb and flow. If one must stay within a narrow topic without expanding upon explanations and rational that makes for a very limited conversation.

Maybe that is all you want. Stick to the topic without fully exploring all the issues.
Touch upon things very superficially.
That was never something I was good doing
I am not one for superficial conversation usually

I am happy to stop answering any of your questions as I do not want to cause you (or anyone else) further distress

Just know when you are "discussing" topics with all who agree there really is no discussion/debate going on if you kwim.
If you want to preach to the choir go ahead. Knock yourself out
As you wrote before free speech only when you agree with it

I wish you and your family all the best too. I mean that

 

[Ella]

The topic at hand is not a debate about Gaza or Israel, it is about due process in the United States. Bring the discussion up a level so it does not devolve into political debate.

No politics or political discussions.

 

[Tigerlilyrosepetal]

Yes blame me for your behavior
Not surprising at all
That’s the MO of anti semitic rhetoric

@missy, I’m really sorry for all the posts on here. It’s quite sad.

@Rockdiamond

David, this thread is about Khalid Mahmoud. A person who supports terrorists and terror. In Israel.

How do we talk about him and the reason this administration wants him deported without discussing Gaza and Israel?

In addition I was just responding to your questions and answering them. That's the way conversation works.
Ebb and flow. If one must stay within a narrow topic without expanding upon explanations and rational that makes for a very limited conversation.

Maybe that is all you want. Stick to the topic without fully exploring all the issues.
Touch upon things very superficially.
That was never something I was good doing
I am not one for superficial conversation usually

I am happy to stop answering any of your questions as I do not want to cause you (or anyone else) further distress

Just know when you are "discussing" topics with all who agree there really is no discussion/debate going on if you kwim.
If you want to preach to the choir go ahead. Knock yourself out
As you wrote before free speech only when you agree with it

I wish you and your family all the best too. I mean that

@missy, I want you to know that I’m sorry for some of the comments on here, as when I read them, they come off as harsh and unfeeling. I’m with you in your thinking and want you to know that you are a marvelous advocate. You are not alone.

As an aside, just noticing that there are so many contentious posts as of late, like this one that @Mreader started. Why is this? I also thought it was super ironic that there was another post the other day by @Mreader, in which she claimed not to be aggressive; lamenting that she was not aggressive enough. I don’t know. It seems that there’s a lot of fire in people’s comments in this post and others which some may interpret as aggression well enough.
Just saying.
Wondering how we come to a point of lowering the temperature? Is that even possible?

 

[Mreader]

@missy, I’m really sorry for all the posts on here. It’s quite sad.


@missy, I want you to know that I’m sorry for some of the comments on here, as when I read them, they come off as harsh and unfeeling. I’m with you in your thinking and want you to know that you are a marvelous advocate. You are not alone.

As an aside, just noticing that there are so many contentious posts as of late, like this one that @Mreader started. Why is this? I also thought it was super ironic that there was another post the other day by @Mreader, in which she claimed not to be aggressive; lamenting that she was not aggressive enough. I don’t know. It seems that there’s a lot of fire in people’s comments in this post and others which some may interpret as aggression well enough.
Just saying.
Wondering how we come to a point of lowering the temperature? Is that even possible?

What’s ironic @Tigerlilyrosepetal is that you talk about lowering the temperature yet you provoke me by referencing another thread in which I have had a difficult situation to contend with. And you are the one who attacked Daisy in a different thread, which does the very opposite of lowering the temperature. I really don’t appreciate it. I’ve been respectful to everyone in this thread.

 

[Tigerlilyrosepetal]

What’s ironic @Tigerlilyrosepetal is that you talk about lowering the temperature yet you provoke me by referencing another thread in which I have had a difficult situation to contend with. And you are the one who attacked Daisy in a different thread, which does the very opposite of lowering the temperature. I really don’t appreciate it. I’ve been respectful to everyone in this thread.

@Mreader I’m truly sorry for your difficult situation that you are dealing with. I wanted to show that by our comments collectively in these hot topic posts and in defending our beliefs/commenting, its perception can come off accusatory and aggressive to those thinking differently. Again, I’m sorry that you are having a tough time.

 

[Matata]

Wondering how we come to a point of lowering the temperature? Is that even possible?

One thing people can do is stay out of threads that upset them. When people read or participate in a discussion that upsets them, the onus is on them to opt out and the consequences for not doing so fall squarely on the shoulders of the people who choose to expose themselves to things that upset them.

Just sayin'.

 

[Lookinagain]

How do we talk about him and the reason this administration wants him deported without discussing Gaza and Israel?

In my opinion, the way this is done is discuss what due process is or isn't. Not which particular person is entitled to it and which isn't, and why. It's a concept of the law, so whatever the law is, it applies in a particular situation, regardless of the person. Otherwise, you just can't have the discussion without it devolving into politics.

 

[Rockdiamond]

How do we talk about him and the reason this administration wants him deported without discussing Gaza and Israel?

Easy. Limit the discussion to US policy.
Freedom of speech has limits- we can all agree.
The classic of yelling “fire” in a crowded theater…. Clearly doesn’t qualify.
Given the political climate in our country, there are very few places where a civil discussion can be had. FB, twitter- devolve into name calling, and personal insults.
This forum is really unique in this sense. We have freedom to speak, within limits.
We are bound by a respect for each other and this place- so we’re glad to comply
Colleges, and universities should be places where free exchange of ideas occur.
There are going to be ideas some of us don’t like.
Have there been protests and demonstrations that have gone to far? Obviously.
But the fact remains that although we respect Ella- so we do not discuss the hot topic of Middle East conflict- the subject needs to be discussed if any solutions can be found.
That’s where this discussion is centered.
Again- American policy now- if the US government uses draconian measures to stifle this debate on college campuses, we all lose. It seems they won’t stop with this single issue. All free speech is at risk.
If the guy was violent he should have been arrested at the time- or even subsequently, but for an actual crime.
What we’re seeing- and not just in this case- the government is saying it’s a crime to say certain things.
TV networks are being sued.
Because the government doesn’t like critical reporting.
To me, the point of the thread- they are using a scapegoat to stir up resentment.
These reek of authoritarian policies. Force progressive people to defend a heinous character in defense of the First Amendment.
The people making these policies are clearly concerned with domestic issues over what’s going on in the Middle East.
They are throwing down a gauntlet by disregarding due process and our courts. Don’t like it? Too bad.
How to bring down the temperature of this sort of discussion?
Sadly it seems that the policies and enforcement actions are designed to keep us all at each other’s throats
I wish this discussion could change the course. To many of us, the USA we know and loved is gone.

 

[missy]

@missy, I want you to know that I’m sorry for some of the comments on here, as when I read them, they come off as harsh and unfeeling. I’m with you in your thinking and want you to know that you are a marvelous advocate. You are not alone.

Thank you dear Tigerlily. Your supportive and very kind words are much appreciated. And have touched my heart.

And I do know I am not alone. It's funny because in the last few days I have received over a half dozen supportive and sweet emails from members (who are mostly no longer posting on PS). Some members I never communicated with offline before. And also I have received IG messages from PSers. All so kind and supportive and basically feeling similarly to what you wrote. And they all wrote I am not alone and how they appreciate me standing up and speaking out.

Reading what they wrote brought tears to my eyes. And shows us that while few of us who feel the way we do about this topic post on PS they are reading and they do see a bias and the double standard. All of the emails/messages I received said something about that. We cannot talk about that topic here but it reinforces how I was/am feeling about certain things said. Yes we do know it when we see it.

I am OK though so please do not worry. If I wasn't I wouldn't continue sharing another point of view here. My heart goes out to PSers who are feeling pretty bad about things at the moment. I feel their distress and it makes me sad. And I also realize some people are very self unaware. And perhaps that is why some of what they write comes across very harshly. I am not angry with them. I feel badly for how they are feeling.

Of course I prefer not dealing with conflict (who.likes it) but I never shy away from the truth and justice. It is a big deal to me when things are unfair and it is part of my DNA to speak out against injustices all over. I don't reserve my outrage for just one injustice but I rally against them all. And yes huge injustices have been happening to a certain people since October 7th 2023. I will never forget the hostages and never stop asking for their release. Asking to release innocent people should never be viewed as a political issue. It is a HUMAN rights issue. Just like what we are talking about in this thread.

I also agree with you It is sad we cannot disagree and calmly discuss our differences. And the reasons behind why we feel the way we do. We cannot share the entire story because the rules are the rules. But that does us a disservice because it really is a one sided conversation in many respects. And one of the reasons many no longer post here.

OK so now this thread is about due process. Not about what Mahmoud is accused of and not about the hate he is spewing against a certain race. Fine. I will abide by the rules. And once again here is my thought about due process. I am for it. Got that? I am for due process. Once due process is done I am also 100% for deporting ALL those who support terror and the destruction of our western values.