Khalil Mahmoud

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Thank you.
I am skeptical of point 1.
The people responsible for these policies…. They have goals. They are using this issue ( antisemitism) to generate division.
I ask again - where were they when the Tiki torches came out???

Missy- we’ve had discussions where you’ve said I’m unrealistic with regards to good faith, and human nature. Do you really believe that any amount of protests or screaming would cause the savages holding the hostages to release them???
The more we scream, the better they like it.


Ask the AP if they agree. Gulf of Mexico
Oops. That’s not allowed.
They used that incident to lay down a marker. Give a message.

If the Gulf of "Mexico" is a huge concern, what about changing the name of the gulf back to the original name before "Mexico" renamed it?

The AP? I can't ask them because they are leaning so far I can't begin to get near them, lol.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Don't out words in my mouth
I am and always have been pro free speech
Pro human rights
Pro research
Including stem cell research

Though yes I am 100% for de-funding colleges and the administration who don't protect student rights
ALL students. Not just the non jewish students

How about wipe all terrorist groups off the face of this earth?
I am all for that
How about you?

We know you are sensible and of course, exaggeration is one of the tools used quite often to disarm conversations rather than discuss facts.

 

[Rockdiamond]

I am and always have been pro free speech

Except if you don’t like the speech.

Though yes I am 100% for de-funding colleges and the administration who don't protect student rights
ALL students. Not just the non jewish students

So because the administration of Columbia weren’t able to properly regulate the demonstrations on campus, the government should pull cancer research funding???
We’re talking about Columbia University- one of the top schools in the country.
The entire situation will and is causing very smart people- scientists, engineers, researchers, doctors- to have second thoughts about even coming to the US. The fallout will be felt for years

The AP? I can't ask them because they are leaning so far I can't begin to get near them, lol.

exaggeration is one of the tools used quite often to disarm conversations rather than discuss facts.

When presented with facts earlier in this thread you claimed it was AI
I’m asking earnestly- where do you get your news?

 

[missy]

Except if you don’t like the speech.

Again don’t make up your own facts. Don’t put words in my mouth. Or I’m happy to discontinue discussing anything with you. If that’s what you want I’m fine with it

You are the one manipulating and twisting things to fit your agenda David. Not me. I’m all for freedom and against those who want to take our freedom away ie terrorist groups and terrorist supporters

 

[missy]

We know you are sensible and of course, exaggeration is one of the tools used quite often to disarm conversations rather than discuss facts.

Thanks Sunrise. You’re on point as usual. One of their often used tactics. It would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic

 

[Rockdiamond]

Missy. We both love Israel. We see drastically different paths to work towards any sort of solution. Or there isn’t one and we just need to kill each other forever.
But - I say this with respect and affection- this one issue distorts your stated viewpoint on ….. everything.
My opinion on the policies of the government of Israel is extremely critical. Am I antisemitic? Supporting terror?
But again- this isn’t about Israel. It’s about the policies of the US government.
If you think the people currently in power love Israel the way you and I do- you’re sadly mistaken.
Their plans call for defunding Israel too.

 

[Matata]

How about wipe all terrorist groups off the face of this earth?
I am all for that
How about you?

That would take the extinction of all humans. If there were only 2 humans on earth at this moment and their survival mutually dependent, one would still find a reason to kill the other. (My cynicism runs high since Jan.)

 

[missy]

That would take the extinction of all humans. If there were only 2 humans on earth at this moment and their survival mutually dependent, one would still find a reason to kill the other. (My cynicism runs high since Jan.)

This world would be way better off without humans

My cynicism is also at an all time high. No faith in “humanity “

 

[Lookinagain]

If the Gulf of "Mexico" is a huge concern, what about changing the name of the gulf back to the original name before "Mexico" renamed it?

I’m pretty sure Spain renamed it when all the surrounding land masses were part of Mexico.

 

[missy]

Missy. We both love Israel. We see drastically different paths to work towards any sort of solution. Or there isn’t one and we just need to kill each other forever.
But - I say this with respect and affection- this one issue distorts your stated viewpoint on ….. everything.
My opinion on the policies of the government of Israel is extremely critical. Am I antisemitic? Supporting terror?
But again- this isn’t about Israel. It’s about the policies of the US government.
If you think the people currently in power love Israel the way you and I do- you’re sadly mistaken.
Their plans call for defunding Israel too.

I’m not a fan of Netanyahu as you already know. We’ve discussed this offline. That doesn’t make either of us anti semitic. Though as we both know anti semitic Jews do exist.

However you and I both strongly agree Israel has *every right* to exist. These past 18 plus months have driven that point home like no other experience since the holocaust.

Neither party loves Israel but one is doing more for them than the other. We always choose the lesser of two evils. Every single election. Make no mistake those who must remain unmentioned (politicians ) do what’s best for them. Always have. Always will. I’m very matter of fact about that. I have no illusions about their grandeur or I should say lack of

 

[missy]

Update
Judge rules Mahmoud Khalil can be deported

“

Make no mistake — Mahmoud Khalil wasn't arrested for exercising free speech; he was exploiting it.


He used the freedoms this country offers to spread Hamas propaganda, incite violence, glorify terrorism, and create an unsafe, threatening atmosphere for Jewish students and others.


Free speech is not a license to promote hate and terror.


Under Form 1-485, permanent residents are required to answer explicitly whether they've:

• Incited violence or supported terrorism
• Been affiliated with groups involved in such activity
• Provided any form of support or aid to those groups or individuals

“

I think he has the right to appeal. So it’s not over

 

[Lookinagain]

Update
Judge rules Mahmoud Khalil can be deported

“

The immigration court judge that she had no authority to question their determination. So it's interesting it seems she decided nothing on the merits. Maybe she did, but I've not found anything about that yet. I'm not saying I know what he is or isn't. This is just a legal observation, but if she didn't decide anything on the merits, I'm not sure that is considered "due process" as I'm guessing that means no case for the defense was presented. I haven't read the SCOTUS decision but I believe they said that although they could use the Alien Enemies Act, that due process still needed to be afforded. So this will be interesting. He also has a federal case pending in NJ.

 

[Lookinagain]

I just read that the immigration process was based on The McCarran-Walter Act, or the Immigration Nationality Act of 1952, and not the Aliens Enemies Act which I thought was being used for these deportations. Maybe that is because it’s an Immigration court which is part of the DOJ and not the regular federal court system.

 

[missy]

I just read that the immigration process was based on The McCarran-Walter Act, or the Immigration Nationality Act of 1952, and not the Aliens Enemies Act which I thought was being used for these deportations. Maybe that is because it’s an Immigration court which is part of the DOJ and not the regular federal court system.

From my understanding one of the reasons is he is considered a threat to the national security of the USA

"The government has said that noncitizens who participate in such demonstrations should be expelled from the country for expressing views that the administration considers to be antisemitic and “pro-Hamas,” referring to the Palestinian militant group that attacked Israel on Oct. 7, 2023."

"This was not mere protest activity, but involved some degree of criminality. The federal government is not prosecuting people for engaging in political speech. The federal government is addressing criminality, violation of school rules and violation of the terms of either green cards or student visas."

"Khalil is a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD)"

"
Hamas propaganda was distributed, including personally by Khalil himself.

This included a document titled "Our Narrative...Operation Al-Aqsa Flood" with the"Hamas Media Office" marking on it."

"
The organization has also hosted events featuring the designated terrorist organization Samidoun and a senior terrorist leader, Khaled Barakat. Events and publications have regularly glorified terrorists, and participants have even encouraged Hamas attacks against peaceful Jewish counter-protesters"

"There was destruction of property and physical assaults"

"
Since October 7, CUAD has been directly involved in numerous illegal and violent actions, including the illegal encampment and the violent takeover of Hamilton Hall.

During the latter, university staff were violently assaulted and kidnapped."

"The agency also accused Khalil of failing to disclose his work with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees and membership in CUAD"


"CUAD posted that it is "fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization" and aligning itself with "militants...who have been on the frontline in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."
It then declared that its members "must be prepared to make...sacrifices in order to achieve liberation in America."

"Comans said the government had “established by clear and convincing evidence that he is removable.”


He has the right to appeal so this is not over yet.

Anyone who is a threat to the national security of our country deserves to be deported. Why come here (and make no mistake it is a privilege to come here) and cause so much trouble? He lied when he applied and he has ties to terrorist organizations. If his actions were against another minority group he and his organization would have been dealt with more promptly and perhaps we wouldn't have the current administration in power.

One of the bigger issues as I see it is our system is not equipped to battle Jihad nor are many other countries systems equipped to handle it. Look at Sweden and the UK. I have friends there and it is not a great situation. But I digress. Khalil Mahmoud has the right to appeal and we will see what happens. But as I have written before IMO supporting terrorists is not acceptable. Not in the USA

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

And what is the excuse for this? They're just deporting students.

Visas revoked for four international students at flagship Montana universities • Daily Montanan

Visas revoked for international students at Montana State University and the University of Montana, MSU and UM confirm.

dailymontanan.com

 

[missy]

And what is the excuse for this? They're just deporting students.

Visas revoked for four international students at flagship Montana universities • Daily Montanan

Visas revoked for international students at Montana State University and the University of Montana, MSU and UM confirm.

dailymontanan.com

I don’t think anyone knows why yet

“The university declined to offer any further information regarding the identity of the students, nor whether they are currently in Montana, citing privacy concerns. ”

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

True. It's still incredibly concerning.

 

[missy]

True. It's still incredibly concerning.

Absolutely and may due process uncover the truth. Either way. Mistakes have been made and may justice be served

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I’m pretty sure Spain renamed it when all the surrounding land masses were part of Mexico.

Probably and thus, that is not it's original name.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Except if you don’t like the speech.


So because the administration of Columbia weren’t able to properly regulate the demonstrations on campus, the government should pull cancer research funding???
We’re talking about Columbia University- one of the top schools in the country.
The entire situation will and is causing very smart people- scientists, engineers, researchers, doctors- to have second thoughts about even coming to the US. The fallout will be felt for years





When presented with facts earlier in this thread you claimed it was AI
I’m asking earnestly- where do you get your news?

Columbia received millions of our dollars and wouldn't call in law enforcement, isn't that more the picture? Do you mean those "brilliant" students who have to come to the USA to glean our brilliance and information to run back to their countries and apply them to their government programs?

Are you claiming AI, which has been the most touted new avenue to the world is not what everyone is proclaiming and that their information is false? AI is now the head banner in most research online and if you read their information and then continue to read down all subject bullets provided in that search, there is a pretty accurate information profile. At least you know I didn't make it up off of the top of my head.

 

[Rockdiamond]

@Sunrises Sunsets
I ask again. Respectfully.
Where do you get your news?

ie- I watch CNN, Fox, CBS…
Subscribe to NY Times. Washington Post.

 

[Matata]

Columbia received millions of our dollars and wouldn't call in law enforcement, isn't that more the picture?

What does the amount of money it receives have to do with its relationship to law enforcement?

Do you mean those "brilliant" students who have to come to the USA to glean our brilliance and information to run back to their countries and apply them to their government programs?

Learning is something to be shared isn't it? We have students studying abroad who bring what they've learned back to the US. What's the issue?

 

[missy]

@Sunrises Sunsets
I ask again. Respectfully.
Where do you get your news?

ie- I watch CNN, Fox, CBS…
Subscribe to NY Times. Washington Post.

I like the WSJ but look many sources to try getting a balanced view. It's more challenging now (to get a balanced perspective and to get the "facts") IMO because news sources are more biased today than ever before. IMO

 

[missy]

What does the amount of money it receives have to do with its relationship to law enforcement?

I cannot answer for Sunrise but will say that the universities get billions from foreign sources that influence the way they operate and teach. It is a problem

"

Colleges and Universities Have Received Nearly $60 Billion in Foreign Gifts and Contracts with 10 elite schools raking in a third of the money, raising concerns about national security and a lack of compliance with disclosure laws. Much of these foreign funds can be traced back to countries that have well-established adversarial relationships with the United States or engage in direct or indirect malign activities against our country.

Saudi Arabia, an oil-rich, Muslim nation with longstanding ties to the U.S. despite its human rights record and alleged involvement in the 9/11 attacks, gave $175 million to colleges and universities last year. Another $81 million came in from Hong Kong, where the Chinese Communist Party has repressed civil liberties and taken complete control of the political system.

Colleges and Universities are required to report foreign gifts or contracts valued at $250,000 or more, but many institutions have either failed to comply with the law or dramatically underreported their totals, creating a lack of transparency around foreign funding of American institutions of higher education.

”

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[Matata]

I cannot answer for Sunrise but will say that the universities get billions from foreign sources that influence the way they operate and teach. It is a problem

I may have lost the plot. I thought she was talking about federal funds.

 

[missy]

I may have lost the plot. I thought she was talking about federal funds.

Sorry, My fault.
I just quoted your post replying to her because it made me think of all the foreign funds the universities are getting and how it has influenced them

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

That would take the extinction of all humans. If there were only 2 humans on earth at this moment and their survival mutually dependent, one would still find a reason to kill the other. (My cynicism runs high since Jan.)

I don't believe that for one moment. I meet so many good people in this world and I'm sure you are one of them.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

What does the amount of money it receives have to do with its relationship to law enforcement?



Learning is something to be shared isn't it? We have students studying abroad who bring what they've learned back to the US. What's the issue?

Money has everything to do with it, Matata, when it is being allocated with the intention that students will not be intimidated, threatened, harassed or attacked because of their group affiliation. When that happens we expect law protection for that threat.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

What does the amount of money it receives have to do with its relationship to law enforcement?



Learning is something to be shared isn't it? We have students studying abroad who bring what they've learned back to the US. What's the issue?

I don't think all students from all countries have the same intent in mind. But then again, anything information certain countries want, all they have to do is hack.

 

[Matata]

Money has everything to do with it, Matata, when it is being allocated with the intention that students will not be intimidated, threatened, harassed or attacked because of their group affiliation. When that happens we expect law protection for that threat.

If you're talking about grant money, it is not allocated with that intent. IMO withholding federal grant money as a punitive measure is wrong. There are stipulations in the grant contract that must be followed and when not met, funds can be withdrawn but the reasons are directly related to the purpose of the grant. However, I agree that universities are obligated to ensure that students have safe access to their educational facilities. State Boards of Higher Education/Boards of Trustees are the first step in disciplining universities who fail to do so. I suspect that fear of lawsuits from various groups is one reason universities fail to sometimes act in the best interests of their students. That isn't an excuse for their failure but may be a reason for it.

It's the responsibility of the Boards that govern private and state universities to ensure the schools meet their obligations and should investigate campus violence (in cooperation with law enforcement when necessary) and discipline or remove administrators whose responsibility it is to maintain student safety without (pardon the cliché) throwing the baby out with the bathwater.