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Kindly asking for some help with an e-ring modification!

sapphiredream

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I am posting to kindly ask for some help/opinions with a modification I need to bring to my e-ring. I apologize if this is not the best place to post this but I received some recommendations that I might get most answers here.

This is, in fact, my sort of "everything" ring - a mixture of engagement, graduation from grad school, cocktail ring and all sorts of things - so it has quite the sentimental value for me.


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Briefly: I need to change the center stone.

When I had it custom made well over a decade ago , I decided to go with a rather inexpensive semi-precious stone because that's all we could do at the time. My husband and I knew we would change it at some point down the road.
I just knew I wanted a hefty, statement, custom ring - with diamond baguettes on the sides.
It weighs 12 grams and it is set in white gold with a yellow gold crown.
At the time, the ring itself/the overall look was more important to me than having an expensive, precious stone in the middle. This is because I never wanted the small, dainty, solitaire engagement ring.

So I chose a 9 by 12 mm yellow beryl - which you see above. At the time I thought it was a good idea.
It's a decent semi-precious stone - but not the most spectacular cut. A bit flat.
As for the color...I definitely should have known better.

Over the years I had 2 attempts to change it but they never materialized. It was never a priority although I could see I was not wearing the ring enough because of the center stone.
The yellow has a tint of green or very light brown in certain light. This has often made me avoid it, except when I would wear just the right colors to tolerate this rather unfriendly yellow.
The stone is also making my complexion a tad green-ish. :(

So I am now finally READY - after more than 12 years ! - to save my poor e-ring from irrelevance.
I still love its overall look, the heft, the gravitas, the larger size...especially now in my 40's.
But the center stone MUST go - once and for all.

What I do want is a NICE SAPPHIRE in the middle. Vibrant, royal cornflower-to-navy blue.
Trouble is a stone of this size in a natural sapphire that would also be very well cut for plenty of sparkle and with the right color...would be ...well, still a fortune! So more rain on the parade.

In consultation with my current jeweler (not the one who made the ring originally), we decided for a Chatham, lab-created sapphire. He showed me one in a ring he made and it is definitely gorgeous.

My question is:

1. Should I simply replace the yellow beryl with a Chatham sapphire of the same size and call it a day?

or

2. Get a Chatham sapphire slightly smaller than the beryl and surround it with a thin halo of very, very tiny diamonds? This would mean the entire top/crown would come off and be replaced.
Could this look work fine with the rest of the ring as it is ? (the existing baguettes, the sides, the overall shape of the ring?...)

The reason why we considered option #2 is not only because I think some kind of border/frame/halo tends to set off sapphires really nicely...but also because my jeweler said most lab-created sapphires will be darker by the time they reach the size my beryl has (for option 1).

He brought in two lab-created sapphires for me to look at - but these were NOT Chatham.
While I am sure they would have looked clearly better than the current clumsy beryl...they were a bit too dark for my taste.
I found myself going back to the Chatham he had in the ring he made - I kept wanting that one.

So now he will bring in a few Chatham stones for me to look at - but the budget went up.
He also said we could try a slightly smaller stone than my beryl but then it would need a halo - so the top would change from what it is now.

I looked on the Internet to find something remotely similar to what this ring could become if the jeweler changed the top...but I can't quite find anything that would be close. Here are some options - but these would probably differ quite a bit from what my ring would be with a halo top:

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Kind of? Sort of?...

Potential fears:

a. Could it get too busy-looking? Too much? Too chaotic or out-of-sync?
I am referring to mine - not the ones above; these look fantastic as they were designed to be like this from the beginning.
I love the vintage look the halo brings...much more than the barren, stark, lonely look of a large solitaire sapphire ring like this:
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...which is about what mine would be without the halo, right? (Option 1).

b. With the halo top, could it end up looking like the top and the rest of the ring don't match or don't belong together? Do side baguettes go together with a hallo top?
Could it be visible that the ring was modified or was not meant to be like this from the beginning?

c. Any other considerations I may be missing?

I am now waiting for my jeweler to bring in the Chatham stones - and if one feels right ...we will take it from there with the design.

Thank you so much in advance for any advice or opinions - I really appreciate it!

PS: Someone where I posted originally suggested that I start all over, from scratch. I cannot do this as I want to make something out of this original e-ring which I want to continue to wear. I don't want to make a new one - the setting of the one I have would be a major waste. Pus the sentimental value.
I just need to get rid of that yellow stone somehow.
 
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I'd post this in the Colored Stones thread or maybe RockyTalky (but I think that is just for diamonds). SMTB is for finished pieces.

I know it is sentimental to you so you could, possibly, have your current setting melted down and used for a new setting... just a thought.
 
I would personally not add a halo to your existing ring, the two just would not mesh. Either just replace the center or go with a completely different ring all together (halo setting) but don’t try and mesh the two together.

I am guessing that after so long wearing a stone you didn’t really like means that even getting a new center stone won’t fully make you happy (all those feelings are already tied to the current ring) my vote would be to find a new ring with a gorgeous blue sapphire and a delicate halo.
 
I would personally not add a halo to your existing ring, the two just would not mesh. Either just replace the center or go with a completely different ring all together (halo setting) but don’t try and mesh the two together.

I am guessing that after so long wearing a stone you didn’t really like means that even getting a new center stone won’t fully make you happy (all those feelings are already tied to the current ring) my vote would be to find a new ring with a gorgeous blue sapphire and a delicate halo.

KK,

As I mentioned earlier, I cannot commit to a whole new ring.
I need to make this one work because I do love its overall look - the ring itself. I just don't like the stone. In that case, you are suggesting option 1. Just try to find a stone of the same size as the beryl and change it - no halo.
Thank you.
 
Rocky Talky is the correct place to discuss settings and stones. Show Me the Bling is for showing off new jewelry pieces.

I personally don't care for simulants, but it would be very hard to replace a stone of that size with a high quality sapphire. So basically, you can have an inexpensive gemstone cut periodically to fit it when the facets abrade, or you can certainly go with a simulant if you are comfortable with that. If it were me, I'd do one or the other because both options should be inexpensive and use the ring as a right hand ring and get a smaller fine quality sapphire (or diamond) ring for the engagement ring hand.
 
Rocky Talky is the correct place to discuss settings and stones. Show Me the Bling is for showing off new jewelry pieces.

I personally don't care for simulants, but it would be very hard to replace a stone of that size with a high quality sapphire. So basically, you can have an inexpensive gemstone cut periodically to fit it when the facets abrade, or you can certainly go with a simulant if you are comfortable with that. If it were me, I'd do one or the other because both options should be inexpensive and use the ring as a right hand ring and get a smaller fine quality sapphire (or diamond) ring for the engagement ring hand.

Diamond seeker,

Thank you for your post! It is my understanding that Rocky Talky is for diamonds only and since this is already a finished ring, I thought it might fit best here.

You are correct that at this size, a nice natural sapphire would be out of the question for a mortal.
At this point, I have read a bit about Chatham lab-created sapphires and I also saw one in person and I am perfectly fine with NOT thinking of it as a simulant. If it has all the qualities of a natural sapphire (chemical composition, etc) I don't care that the process happened in a lab as opposed to underground over millions of years. I just want a beautiful ring, great to look at overall - not certification of stone purity. I do understand this is important for many people, collectors, etc. (rightly so) - it just isn't for me.

My concern is with the final look/design of the ring.
Could a halo top be made to tie in with this ring, the way it is now?.
A few here said "no" and advised me to just change the stone and leave it exactly as is.

The reason why I don't want to do another ring from scratch is because this is not what this project is about. If I do another ring (which maybe I will, some day), there are some problems:

1. That will NOT be my original, engagement ring. That will be another project - something else...and I don't even like to own THAT many rings to begin with. I want one that I wear all the time and makes a statement.

2. An engagement ring with a really nice natural sapphire would have to be a ring much smaller and daintier than I like to wear, due to cost.

3. I am a sucker for tradition, sentimental values, keeping old things (what you already have), wearing family heir-looms, etc. This is my original ring and I want to make THIS ONE work - especially that it is made with lots of gold from various smaller pieces from my family. So briefly, I don't want to create something completely new.

4. If I do make another ring, which will hopefully be very beautiful, it means I will want to wear it often...which also means this one will end up a complete waste, just sitting there in the box, never used (especially not with this stone). Wearing two statement rings, each one on a hand is a bit too much for me.
Also, there's a lot of gold in this ring at 12 grams and it also has some nice diamond baguettes on the side. Just get rid of all this for a new one?

5. Finally, I will confess I don't like to spend a lot on jewelry. Most of what I wear is from my family.

Also, by the time you get to a very nice Chatham stone...the cost is not that inexpensive, after all - even if that is referred to as a "simulant". I saw such a stone in person, set in a really fine ring ...and it was downright gorgeous; and no, I could not tell for the life of me that this was something "simulated".
It is, of course, much less than a natural sapphire of this size, which would be virtually non-doable for most people.

So....I am trying to decide between option A and option B.
If most people think option B could not possibly end up well, I will have to change gears and tell my jeweler that we MUST find a stone exactly the size of the beryl and just replace - or else.

It is true that I have not seen that many rings with baguettes on the side and a halo-ed center stone. I Googled, Pinterested, etc - not much.
Maybe it is because it gets too busy/frilly/over the top/gaudy?...and people avoid this look?

With option A, the ring would probably end up looking something like this, shape-wise:
(I saw this picture on this forum and the color is indeed spectacular.)

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This is roughly, of course, as the baguettes in my settings sit lengthwise - and this one has actual emerald cut diamonds on the side, not just baguettes. But it does remind me a bit of my ring's overall structure.

Here are some pictures of my current ring on the hand:

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Thank you so much again for any suggestions for finding the best way to save my current ring, without completely replacing it with a brand new project, from scratch. As I said, I DO love the ring - I've just come to hate this stone in the middle due to its cut and color.
 

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I'm sorry @diamondseeker2006 , I totally disagree. An e-ring doesn't have to be a "fine quality" anything as long as the wearer likes it. She "should" spend whatever she wants to update her ring and wear it on whatever finger she wants. There's nothing wrong with wearing an inexpensive gemstone or simulant as an engagement ring, and your advice otherwise comes across as very snobby.

OP, I would definitely not add a halo and find another stone that fits in the existing setting, since you know you like it.
 
What’s your budget to change your ring by replacing the Center stone?
 
In my opinion the best lab grown blue is lab spinel. Also wearable for everyday. But the blue is cobalt and shocking. Not as navy “meh” as I find some lab sapphires to be. Peter Torraca cut this one and I think he still has rough. His cutting fee is a little on true high side though. But in my opinion a superior lab product. It would definitely result in a look like your inspiration photo.
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I'm sorry @diamondseeker2006 , I totally disagree. An e-ring doesn't have to be a "fine quality" anything as long as the wearer likes it. She "should" spend whatever she wants to update her ring and wear it on whatever finger she wants. There's nothing wrong with wearing an inexpensive gemstone or simulant as an engagement ring, and your advice otherwise comes across as very snobby.

OP, I would definitely not add a halo and find another stone that fits in the existing setting, since you know you like it.

liaerfbv,

Thank you for your view - it is much appreciated.
I am grateful for each and every opinion because put together, they really help me gauge the best course of action. I didn't take diamondseeker's suggestion as snobby. Her view was helpful too. Of course, in an ideal world (oh, you have no idea how awesome my ideal world is!!! :-) ), I would certainly go for the most unbelievable natural gem.
But real life has limitations - and you've got to work with what is, deciding what is most important to you. For me, in the end, it is the overall look of the ring as I don't expect people to come verify the authenticity of my stone with a loup.
Sure, discreet speculations as to the credibility of what I wear being "real" - could happen; with a bit of stretch of the imagination, it could pass (ha, ha); but then again, people don't necessarily know I am the frugal type.

Thanks again for the "no halo" vote. They're adding up fast.
 
In my opinion the best lab grown blue is lab spinel. Also wearable for everyday. But the blue is cobalt and shocking. Not as navy “meh” as I find some lab sapphires to be. Peter Torraca cut this one and I think he still has rough. His cutting fee is a little on true high side though. But in my opinion a superior lab product. It would definitely result in a look like your inspiration photo.
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Thank you, Niel. Where can I find more about spinel?
How hard is it on the Mohs' scale? Any way to get in touch with Mr. Torraca?

Yes - that color. Shocking cobalt. Somewhere between cobalt and navy.
I do love the deeper color of sapphires but not so deep that it turns into onyx /black.

Hmm...why is it nothing can be simple?
Well...I guess because I am not in that ideal world of mine I was talking about earlier.

Thank you again!
 
I agree with the others about not adding a halo. I think a skillful jeweler could do it but it would eat up a good chunk of your budget and there's no guarantee you'll like what you'll get at the end - it just sounds risky.

If it were me I'd look for the stone I liked best for the budget and there's nothing wrong with a nice lab stone imho, I'm partial to the light and medium blues myself, there are some beautiful "cultured" stones out there. :kiss2:

Here's one that looks pretty dreamy:
https://shop.kenanddanadesign.com/p...ent-rings-blue-sapphire-alamina-blue-sapphire
 
I agree with the others about not adding a halo. I think a skillful jeweler could do it but it would eat up a good chunk of your budget and there's no guarantee you'll like what you'll get at the end - it just sounds risky.

If it were me I'd look for the stone I liked best for the budget and there's nothing wrong with a nice lab stone imho, I'm partial to the light and medium blues myself, there are some beautiful "cultured" stones out there. :kiss2:

Here's one that looks pretty dreamy:
https://shop.kenanddanadesign.com/p...ent-rings-blue-sapphire-alamina-blue-sapphire

Yes - that's beautiful. Something like that.

The trick is to find just a 81/2 by 12 mm stone. How is easy is THAT?
Or should I get in touch with a cutter to have him work a stone from rough just for my ring?
Kind of like tail wagging dog.

My jeweler is currently looking for already cut stones to fit in my ring but I will have to tell him to give up the slightly-smaller sized ones because it looks like I shouldn't even attempt the halo.

He does seem like a fine jeweler and the ring with a delicate halo I saw that he made was indeed very refined (nothing bulky or clunky about it even though the ring overall was substantial).
But you are right, a halo could still be risky with my existing ring.

Complicated (sigh).
 
I'm sure someone here has some insight on how to source it - seems like there must be someone who can cut this for you or cut a larger stone to the right proportions. Looking forward to seeing the finished product!
 
I would imagine he can cut you a precision stone within your budget the exact size you would need. However best to ask him. I’ve linked his website below. He’s amazing.
I think spinel is 8. On this forum three colored stones are recommended for daily wear: spinel, chrysoberyl (alexandite) and corundum (sapphire/ruby)

http://www.torraca.net/
 
I would shop around for a cutter who works with synthetics, as your jeweler may be looking for awhile if hes trying to find already cut stones. You seem to lean towards a halo. If you go that route, can I suggest that you mirror your side stones with a baguette halo? I think the emerald cut image style (but scrap the milgrain) would suit best as there is the repetition of angles and the smooth metal inner bezel ties in with the bar set diamonds on the side. Sorry if the pics come out huge, I still can't figure out how to resize anything.

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I would imagine he can cut you a precision stone within your budget the exact size you would need. However best to ask him. I’ve linked his website below. He’s amazing.
I think spinel is 8. On this forum three colored stones are recommended for daily wear: spinel, chrysoberyl (alexandite) and corundum (sapphire/ruby)

http://www.torraca.net/

Can the spinel give lots of sparkle or is this strictly a function of the cut?
 
I think a Chatham sapphire the same size would be lovely!
 
I think a Chatham sapphire the same size would be lovely!

This is what my jeweler is looking for now - we will see how he can find a nice color Chatham in JUST the right size.
If not, it looks like I may have to go with looking for a cutter and getting the stone done from scratch...which means it won't' be ready by Christmas...which means my husband will have nothing to place under the tree because this is what I chose for my Christmas present this year.
 
Have you priced out keeping your original ring and adding a sapphire halo? I know you said you need to work with what you have, but I am wondering if between a custom cut and the fee to set the stone it might be more economical to have a new ring and then you have the original and the new and can enjoy both? If that’s not an option, I agree with the no halo, just custom cut something the same size for sure!
 
737,
Since I had my ring custom made over a decade ago, I HAVE started to like the more recent halo models quite a bit.
They are significantly different from the halos I remember seeing at the time I had my e-ring made.
I don't know...I remember thinking those were a bit too frilly, heavy or even dated in a frumpy kind of way (when not very finely made). Maybe most were just not very well executed and looked like rather clumsy imitations of the Diana e-riing (now Kate Middleton - which may be part of the reason why the classic oval sapphire with a halo may have made a serious come-back).
I am VERY traditional and classic in my tastes, in general...and I do love the Diana ring; but "dated in a frumpy kind of way" is not my idea of "traditional".

So at the time I wanted a ring that looked rather understated (but not insignificant - hence the size), elegant and clean. The rather large center stone and baguettes on the side in a hefty setting seemed to provide just that. I still love this look very much, which is the reason why I want to save this ring from this unfortunate "yellow-brownish-ness"; but I would lie if I said I don't like the newer halo models.

The recent designs don't have anything frumpy or frilly about them. I love the way they rely on extremely tiny/delicate diamonds to create a gorgeous, fine border that sets the stone off amazingly.
I saw one such ring created by my jeweler (with the Chatham stone I mentioned) and I definitely wouldn't say no to such a piece.

That being said...my ring was not designed for that type of look - and many seemed to have confirmed that already.

The only way it MIGHT work (with a big question mark) is exactly with what you suggested: to include baguettes in the halo too. Maybe alternate rounds with a few very thin baguettes. I have seen that type of ring and they do look quite intricate and attractive - PROVIDED they are finely executed.
I think that any kind of complicated design that is less than DIVINELY made, risks looking...welll...not so fine.

Question now is which one would be harder: for the jeweler to NOT make a mess of the ring by adding a halo or to find a perfectly calibrated stone and just replace the yellow?

In all honesty - I thought that this would be much easier, especially if I was willing to go to the simulant route; but it doesn't look like it.
I thought my jeweler would bring in a few beautiful Chathams, I would pick one, he would take the yellow off and would replace with the blue - problem solved.

I wish.
 
Have you priced out keeping your original ring and adding a sapphire halo? I know you said you need to work with what you have, but I am wondering if between a custom cut and the fee to set the stone it might be more economical to have a new ring and then you have the original and the new and can enjoy both? If that’s not an option, I agree with the no halo, just custom cut something the same size for sure!

Greargirly,

I haven't exactly but based on what I spoke with my jeweler, a new project would be clearly more.
But even if it wasn't - the question would still remain as to what to do with THIS ring.
It would STILL be a very nice and hefty ring with a yellow, unwearable stone which therefore won't get worn - especially when competing with the new baby in town which, for all intents and purposes, would be a sparkly darling. So then, what did I achieve? :-)
Just collecting more rings?

I am not a big fan of changing lots of rings - especially those with stones.
I have a few others in gold which I wear on my other hand - but I feel like an e-ring with a main stone must be a sort of unique diva, without having to compete with others.

I also love signature pieces and if I had it my way - I would only own one SPECTACULAR ring that everyone would know me by and which I would wear day in and day out.
That would be some insanely gorgeous natural sapphire (large size without bordering "gaudy") in some insanely gorgeous setting :-).
I am not a diamond person - at least not for the center stone - not even under unlimited budget conditions.
 
In my opinion the best lab grown blue is lab spinel. Also wearable for everyday. But the blue is cobalt and shocking. Not as navy “meh” as I find some lab sapphires to be. Peter Torraca cut this one and I think he still has rough. His cutting fee is a little on true high side though. But in my opinion a superior lab product. It would definitely result in a look like your inspiration photo.
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Niel,

Just for clarification purposes: is the ring in this picture a lab-created/synthetic spinel?
Do you think Peter might still have rough of the same kind your stone was made from - so I cann ask him about it?

The color is indeed amazing, assuming there are no light/computer enhancements of any type.

Thanks again!
 
Niel,

Just for clarification purposes: is the ring in this picture a lab-created/synthetic spinel?
Do you think Peter might still have rough of the same kind your stone was made from - so I cann ask him about it?

The color is indeed amazing, assuming there are no light/computer enhancements of any type.

Thanks again!

Yes this is a lab created blue spinel Peter cut. He had to order her that rough so I suspect he may still have some. There is no modifications this is how blue it looks.

A other example of him cutting some
https://instagram.com/p/BLg7E8vhJGE/
 
Since your name is SapphireDream, I think your best bet is to spend the $1500 on the best Chatham stone you can find!!! Good luck!!
 
Thank you all so much - if my jeweler finds some good stones, I will come back and post some picture here for your "judging". :-)
 
1500 probably won't get you a diamond halo and a 8.5x12mm stone. I really love the color of that spinel!
 
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