Letter from a concerned and turned off PS member - now a Permanently turned off PSer

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM
Author: zhuzhu
What I find a little troubling is this:

None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?

Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.

I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.

But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.

I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:06:36 AM
Author: VRBeauty
I've enjoyed much of the ATW discussion during this election cycle. I found a lot of the discussion thought-provoking, and there were many times when I learned from what others had to say, or considered my own opinions in a different light.

I am a liberal from a deeply religious family. I found it very offensive when people were labeled as bigots because of positions they took that were based on their religious beliefs, especially when that label was put on some of our more considerate and thoughtful (albeit conservative

) ATW participants.

The discussion on most politically-oriented forums is blatantly one-sided and dismissive of opposing opinions; ruled pretty much by mob mentality. Most of the time I don't think that was the case in ATW...maybe that was because my viewpoint was aligned with the majority of the posters? But there were times when this became a very inhospitable place. If I was part of that, I'm sorry.

As for 'staying out of the kitchen,' I suppose that is one option. As I said, I'm a liberal and I found lots of posters with similar viewpoints here. But... if ATW was just a bunch of like-minded people patting themselves on the back for their 'open-mindedness,' it wouldn't be much of a discussion and there wouldn't be much reason to drop by.

As another liberal from a deeply religious family, I know the basis for certain viewpoints all too well, as I held them myself before I started thinking for myself. (Disclaimer: this is not a personal attack. I'm talking to you. You, over there, who feels like I'm attacking you!) However, I believe that the attempt to limit the rights of others by anyone, regardless of religious background and/or affiliation, is bigotry, and when asked, I will say so.

I certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone by saying so, but it is my opinion, and since most people here seem to agree that we should respect opinions different from our own, I don't see why my opinion should be any different.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:06:36 AM

Author: VRBeauty

The discussion on most politically-oriented forums is blatantly one-sided and dismissive of opposing opinions; ruled pretty much by mob mentality. Most of the time I don''t think that was the case in ATW...maybe that was because my viewpoint was aligned with the majority of the posters? But there were times when this became a very inhospitable place. If I was part of that, I''m sorry.

I am not saying your part of it because I don''t recall a time when you were...

But if you check this poll you will see that over 200 people voted republican in the poll.

Just a handful less than the liberals.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ps-election-poll.93913/

Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

The ATW forum is dominated by liberals who create a hostile environment to the point that conservatives do not want to post here.

Every conservative that had posted in this thread has been jumped on by 3 or 4 liberal troublemakers at the min.

Then when one don''t want to play the game with them because it is useless you get called names.

No thanks.

Your post is a bit contradictory, Strm. If there are so many Republicans, i would think it would be relatively easy to have both sides equally represented on ATW. I think the loss of Repubs on the board has less to do with the Dems and more to do with the fact that the Republicans started losing the election. It''s not much fun to debate when your side isn''t winning.

So I don''t really think it''s entirely reasonable to blame the fact that Repubs don''t post on the Democrats! It''s a bit of a circular argument. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? (Why do I feel like Ira for saying that?)

 

[FrekeChild]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM
Author: strmrdr
I am not saying your part of it because I don''t recall a time when you were...
But if you check this poll you will see that over 200 people voted republican in the poll.
Just a handful less than the liberals.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ps-election-poll.93913/
Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.
The ATW forum is dominated by liberals who create a hostile environment to the point that conservatives do not want to post here.
Every conservative that had posted in this thread has been jumped on by 3 or 4 liberal troublemakers at the min.
Then when one don''t want to play the game with them because it is useless you get called names.
No thanks.

I would like to point out that on polls, you can vote more than once.

There are tons of threads started by Republicans, you can look to beebrisk, starsapphire and oshinbreez for many of them.

And Ali created those threads for players on BOTH teams. Nothing was in protection of one over the other.

 

[TravelingGal]

Oh, and to the original poster: I am sorry to see you go. Love your ring, always have.

And it''s too bad you didn''t hear back from Ali or Andrey (check your junk mail though...I found a PS response back to me there once). I do think it''s too bad this had to be posted here and cause more negativity, flaming and bad feelings. If you felt so strongly about it, I would have just said it to them and left it at that.

Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - "Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

 

[Linda W]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM

Author: zhuzhu

What I find a little troubling is this:


None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?


Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.


I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.


But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.


I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.

This is all I will say.


Linda

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM
Author: strmrdr
Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight
Nine

Plenty more but I'm bored with counting already. BTW, most of these are from the last week. And you started at least one of them yourself. World's smallest violin.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM

Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM


Author: zhuzhu


What I find a little troubling is this:



None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?



Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.



I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.



But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.



I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.


This is all I will say.



Linda

That thread made me cry several times. Tried talking about the issue to DH Friday night and cried again.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM

Author: strmrdr

Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight
Nine

Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already. BTW, most of these are from the last week. And you started at least one of them yourself. World''s smallest violin.

Thanks deco-I was too lazy to do that! But I am still laughing at your smallest violin!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM

Author: zhuzhu

What I find a little troubling is this:


None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?


Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.


I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.


But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.


I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.

This is all I will say.


Linda

Linda, I am hoping you misunderstood my posts.

That thread was about prop 8. At least it was titled so from my memory. I contributed my opinions and where I have come from with my views.

I also stated emphatically that not everything I said was my personal opinion, nor did I agree with it. In fact, a lot of I don''t agree with. I said that the two sides have a LOOONG way of seeing eye to eye because there is a core fundamental that the Christian right has. I did not say I currently LEAN to the Christian right.

I apologized to Wishful if I hurt her feelings. I also asked her to stay (my last post before I left for my trip and I don''t know what happened to the thread after that). I don''t think it was terrible of me to say WHY I did not vote for OR against prop 8. If anything I wanted to say that even people with religious backgrounds are open to change. Did you read my last post to her?

I am also sorry if upset you. I really don''t think I said anything to personally insult Wishful, but I am cognizant of the fact that it was a highly charged thread and to her a highly personal one, and can understand if I came through insensitive.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM

Author: strmrdr

Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

One

Two

Three

Four

Five

Six

Seven

Eight

Nine


Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already. BTW, most of these are from the last week. And you started at least one of them yourself. World''s smallest violin.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point.
The poster got jumped on.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - 'Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about "goodbye" threads. I don't get it.

 

[Linda W]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:41:57 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM

Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM


Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM



Author: zhuzhu



What I find a little troubling is this:




None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?




Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.




I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.




But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.




I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.



This is all I will say.




Linda

That thread made me cry several times. Tried talking about the issue to DH Friday night and cried again.

So did I Moon. My husband was reading the thread with me and just stood there shaking his head in disbelief. We realized people have different opinions but....... it was how they said it to WishfulThinking.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:41:57 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM

Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM


Author: zhuzhu


What I find a little troubling is this:



None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?



Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.



I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.



But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.



I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.


This is all I will say.



Linda

That thread made me cry several times. Tried talking about the issue to DH Friday night and cried again.

I''m sorry to hear that as well.

Ladies for whatever reason, the state of California PASSED that prop by 52%. A noted improvement over the prop in 2000 (Note, I said IMPROVEMENT). However, the MAJORITY still passed it. I believe that conversation and discussion with all parties will go a long way to giving proponents of gay marriage their victory. I''ve always been open to have DISCUSSION here on PS.

Should it have happened right after it passed and Wishful was upset? Probably not. But the thread was there. Everyone was ranting, raving, angry, etc. I understand the reasons for those emotions. I got into the discussion, (because at the time it was not just a thread for wishful, but a discussion of the prop itself).

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:57 AM
Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:41:57 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM

Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM


Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM



Author: zhuzhu



What I find a little troubling is this:




None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?




Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.




I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.




But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.




I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.



This is all I will say.




Linda

That thread made me cry several times. Tried talking about the issue to DH Friday night and cried again.

So did I Moon. My husband was reading the thread with me and just stood there shaking his head in disbelief. We realized people have different opinions but....... it was how they said it to WishfulThinking.

Linda, since you seem to be very pointed in your opinions on this, I''d really like to know what it was that particularly bothered you.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:54 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM

Author: TravelingGal

Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - ''Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about ''goodbye'' threads. I don''t get it.

+1! Betcha no one ever thought I''d agree with lucky AND TGal in an ATW thread!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:55:40 AM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:54 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM

Author: TravelingGal

Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - ''Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about ''goodbye'' threads. I don''t get it.

+1! Betcha no one ever thought I''d agree with lucky AND TGal in an ATW thread!

T2of2, I actually agree with a lot of what you (and the dems) say. I really should have registered independent. I voted Kerry in 2004.

 

[FrekeChild]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:55:40 AM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:54 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - ''Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about ''goodbye'' threads. I don''t get it.

+1! Betcha no one ever thought I''d agree with lucky AND TGal in an ATW thread!

+1 more!

And TGal, I heard that there was a thread posted by you the other day to me, and I wanted to thank you for watching my back. I really appreciate it.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:56:33 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/10/2008 12:55:40 AM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:54 AM

Author: luckystar112

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM

Author: TravelingGal
Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - ''Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about ''goodbye'' threads. I don''t get it.

+1! Betcha no one ever thought I''d agree with lucky AND TGal in an ATW thread!

T2of2, I actually agree with a lot of what you (and the dems) say. I really should have registered independent. I voted Kerry in 2004.

Hahaha-come to the dark side, TGal! Or the slightly dark side if you must remain an independent!

I guess that''s why I think you''re the most reasonable Republican I (don''t really in real life) know!

P.S. Lucky, you know you want to join TGal!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:58:54 AM
Author: FrekeChild

Date: 11/10/2008 12:55:40 AM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:54 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:11 AM
Author: TravelingGal
Personally, I am finding these GBCPS (as coined by Purrfect - ''Good Bye Cruel PriceScope) posts really do more harm than good. I respect those who no longer want to post for whatever reason, but why stir the pot before leaving? Is there no integrity in leaving quietly? Or do you need the attention and people begging you not to leave? Or maybe you want to say the last word and run? There have been a few of these kinds of posts lately and I guess having been here long enough, at the end of the day, I just shrug. People come and go on PS - no need for drama.

I feel the same way about ''goodbye'' threads. I don''t get it.

+1! Betcha no one ever thought I''d agree with lucky AND TGal in an ATW thread!

+1 more!

And TGal, I heard that there was a thread posted by you the other day to me, and I wanted to thank you for watching my back. I really appreciate it.

No problem Freke. PS has a disproportionate amount of really beautiful ladies (actually all I''ve seen are lovely) and adorable babies. It just unnerved me to see it all out there. We may be all nuts here on ATW, but I''m pretty sure that there are some really scary people out there we don''t know about.

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:21 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM
Author: strmrdr
Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point. The poster got jumped on.

What you said was there weren''t any ... but I guess your point has changed. Maybe you can define "jumped on" in a way that doesn''t describe almost every one of your own posts towards fellow posters? A true pot-kettle-black situation.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:00:50 AM
Author: thing2of2


Hahaha-come to the dark side, TGal! Or the slightly dark side if you must remain an independent!

I guess that''s why I think you''re the most reasonable Republican I (don''t really in real life) know!

P.S. Lucky, you know you want to join TGal!

Thanks t2of2.

I feel badly if I upset anyone (vs offending anyone, because aren''t I always offensive?

) I do believe firmly in having discussion and stepping away when needed. I take a break myself from ATW from time to time, but come back when I am up for a good read. I lurked far more on the dems thread (and participated, even, I think) because it''s far more interesting to me to read opinions different from my own. How else is one suppose to learn and expand their horizons?

 

[Linda W]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:51:44 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:57 AM

Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:41:57 AM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 11/10/2008 12:36:31 AM


Author: Linda W

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:03 AM



Author: TravelingGal

Date: 11/9/2008 6:37:54 PM




Author: zhuzhu




What I find a little troubling is this:





None of us posters pay a fee to participate in this forum (that I know of). We are not members because we ''pay for Pricescope service'', we are guests. How can we expect our host/hostess to behave according to what WE wish, and even point fingers at them when it is us who generated some ''controversial topics'' to begin with?





Pricescope is the host of this forum, therefor it has the right to deny anyone''s posting here without ANY REASON should they want to. How they chose to moderate this forum is UP TO THEM. At the same time, any members who wish to leave is completely up to their free will as well. I really do not understand what all the complaining is about?

I made my last post to Wishful before I left on a trip on Friday. I haven''t seen that thread since then (and I understand it was deleted). On the drive home today, I caught up a bit on PS on my blackberry (I was a passenger obviously) and came back to the mess that is this thread.





I am sure I could say a lot regarding the place of politics, religion and hot topics on PS, but realized - I just don''t really care to at the moment.





But Zhuzhu''s post stood out for me. I have been constantly amazed at how many members forget we are guests on someone else''s forum. Some people seem to feel entitled to say what they want to say when they want to say it here on Pricescope. It''s like going over to someone''s home, gorging on their bountiful generosity, throwing your feet up on the table, burping, picking your nose, swearing, telling the host that her house isn''t decorated the way she would like, and telling the rest of her dinner guests that they''re all idiots.





I don''t blame Irina and Leonid for running for the hills!

T-Gal: Is that why you were so hurtful to WishfulThinking? Yes, we are each entitled to our views and opinions I respect that. Not everyone agrees with eachother, but posters should be kind and respectful...... but when you went on and on hurting her, well that was above and beyond anything I have every read in my life. I have to tell you, as much as I like you, and I really do.... your posts to her, made me burst out crying.




This is all I will say.





Linda

That thread made me cry several times. Tried talking about the issue to DH Friday night and cried again.

So did I Moon. My husband was reading the thread with me and just stood there shaking his head in disbelief. We realized people have different opinions but....... it was how they said it to WishfulThinking.

Linda, since you seem to be very pointed in your opinions on this, I''d really like to know what it was that particularly bothered you.

T-Gal, it was just that whole stupid thread and I am so glad it was deleted. I really don''t want to go over everything.

One part that just tore my heart out for Wishful was when you were referring to the way gays think. Not you, but generalizing somewhat. " gay''s don''t think they are morally wrong". May not be your definite quote here.''
Wishfuls quote" I can''t be morally wrong, I am just a person, just a person". For some reason, Those sentences made me burst out crying. (I don''t even get PMS anymore either!!!!!!!) The whole thread was just heartbreaking. Other posters ripped her apart and she said she won''t be back. She hasn''t posted since.

Here this little 22 year old girl, was so happy getting married, they bought their dresses and rings, etc. and got blasted in that thread.

Growing up in the Bay Area and working and retiring from my job in San Francisco I have known and worked with a lot of gays and Lesbians. I feel as my husband does, they have rights also, but that is our opinion.

I love ya T-Gal and I don''t want any ill feelings between us.

 

[Demelza]

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:21 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM

Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM


Author: strmrdr


Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

One


Two


Three


Four


Five


Six


Seven


Eight


Nine



Plenty more but I'm bored with counting already. BTW, most of these are from the last week. And you started at least one of them yourself. World's smallest violin.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point.

The poster got jumped on.

I checked out each one of those links and see it differently. In each case, the poster brought up an issue and people weighed in. To the extent there was any snarkiness, it went both ways. It's true that there were more people than not who disagreed with the various issues brought up by the OPs, but you certainly can't fault anyone for that. I guess I'm just not understanding what your complaint is.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:04:02 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:21 AM

Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM

Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM

Author: strmrdr

Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point. The poster got jumped on.

What you said was there weren''t any ... but I guess your point has changed. Maybe you can define ''jumped on'' in a way that doesn''t describe almost every one of your own posts towards fellow posters? A true pot-kettle-black situation.

They aren''t conservative threads they are liberals beating up on conservative threads.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:05:13 AM
Author: Linda W




T-Gal, it was just that whole stupid thread and I am so glad it was deleted. I really don''t want to go over everything.

One part that just tore my heart out for Wishful was when you were referring to the way gays think. Not you, but generalizing somewhat. '' gay''s don''t think they are morally wrong''. May not be your definite quote here.''
Wishfuls quote'' I can''t be morally wrong, I am just a person, just a person''. For some reason, Those sentences made me burst out crying. (I don''t even get PMS anymore either!!!!!!!) The whole thread was just heartbreaking. Other posters ripped her apart and she said she won''t be back. She hasn''t posted since.

Here this little 22 year old girl, was so happy getting married, they bought their dresses and rings, etc. and got blasted in that thread.

Growing up in the Bay Area and working and retiring from my job in San Francisco I have known and worked with a lot of gays and Lesbians. I feel as my husband does, they have rights also, but that is our opinion.

I love ya T-Gal and I don''t want any ill feelings between us.

Linda, I adore you and there could never be any ill feelings between us (at least on my end). Your presence on the mommy thread is a constant joy for me.

Honestly, her comment broke my heart too. Made me tear up. When she said it, I realized I put my foot my my mouth.

And I do think you misread what I said (thank goodness).

I did not say gays do not think they are morally wrong. I was TRYING to explain WHY many of the religious right have not gotten to the point where they can support gay marriage yet. I do think many have gay friends. Many support equal rights. But somewhere, deeply entrenched in the doctrine of what they believe is that homosexuality is morally wrong. I stated in that post that it''s not what *I* believe.

It was my lame a** way of trying to answer how *anyone* could possibly vote in favor of prop 8, because it was a question that was rampantly because asked, albeit rhetorically, that evening. It was not the right place for me to try and play devil''s advocate on a thread that was so charged and when Wishful was so obviously distraught. I have been known to have brain farts and say things at inopportune moments.

For that, I sincerely apologize.

 

[Demelza]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:12:03 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 1:04:02 AM

Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:21 AM


Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM


Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM


Author: strmrdr


Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point. The poster got jumped on.

What you said was there weren''t any ... but I guess your point has changed. Maybe you can define ''jumped on'' in a way that doesn''t describe almost every one of your own posts towards fellow posters? A true pot-kettle-black situation.

They aren''t conservative threads they are liberals beating up on conservative threads.

Can you explain the difference? They were threads started by conservatives to discuss certain issues. Many people weighed in, some agreed with the OP, and many didn''t. I thought the "distribution of wealth" thread was actually quite interesting and productive.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:12:03 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 1:04:02 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:46:21 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/10/2008 12:40:17 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 12:25:02 AM
Author: strmrdr
Where are the republican threads? There is just one and the mods had to protect it under threat to keep it from getting over run.

Plenty more but I''m bored with counting already.

I just read checked the first few and every one of them I checked proved my point. The poster got jumped on.

What you said was there weren''t any ... but I guess your point has changed. Maybe you can define ''jumped on'' in a way that doesn''t describe almost every one of your own posts towards fellow posters? A true pot-kettle-black situation.

They aren''t conservative threads they are liberals beating up on conservative threads.

Oh cry me a river, Strm! I thought Democrats were supposed to be the whiny ones!

If you were so worried about it, why didn''t you join in and defend your fellow Republicans? And believe it or not, I agree with you on many issues regarding states'' rights, the role of the gov''t, etc., with the major exception being Palin''s qualifications!

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:12:03 AM
Author: strmrdr
They aren't conservative threads they are liberals beating up on conservative threads.

I'm sure conservatives could have sat around for hours and hours enjoying a quiet, thoughtful discussion on "Farakahn Hearts Obama". Shame those liberals had to bust in and "debate".

If "beating up" is what liberals do to conservatives. What is it exactly that conservatives do to liberals?

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 11/10/2008 1:22:26 AM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 11/10/2008 1:12:03 AM
Author: strmrdr
They aren''t conservative threads they are liberals beating up on conservative threads.

I''m sure conservatives could have sat around for hours and hours enjoying a quiet, thoughtful discussion on ''Farakahn Hearts Obama''. Shame those liberals had to bust in and ''debate''.

If ''beating up'' is what liberals do to conservatives. What is it exactly that conservatives do to liberals?

Beatin'' down girl, Beatin'' DOWN!