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Looking for Emerald Cut diamond - .5 carat - please help

the IGI is not as good as GIA right? and what are windmills in an emerald cut. the H color does scare me.
 
Okay. So about the H, again, there is nothing to be worried about, and JA has a bullet proof return policy. 60 days and they pay return shipping. OK?
 
Post the IGI stone. No their grading is VERY soft. So an F could be a GIA J for all we know.
 
JulieN|1393840792|3626314 said:
I was just using that H as an example. Some things that are not dealbreakers but does raise question marks: IGI report; "Good" symmetry; no windmills which is a matter of taste.

I usually aim for something that looks like these: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/?DefaultOrder&TabSelected=3&advancedParameter=pn&showAdvanced=show&ps=15&DiamondID=243646,233308,178729,234221
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I disagree with you. The 1.01 and the .96 are not going to ASET out well. And the other two, you have to watch how the facets flash.

This one has obstructed facets that do not flash on and off enough. And it might not be eyeclean.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.90-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-233308

This is the only one I think is worth consideration in terms of performance and it might have an issue with the facets right in the center:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.92-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-178729
 
Here's what I look for (these aren't in budget/right size, but they are for reference):
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.51-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-269881
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.70-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-267680
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.21-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-30522
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.21-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-290457
If you watch the facets move they almost all light up consistently and brightly.



Also on the H color, we have a ton of people who have K's. So... here look at the pictures of the K, then you'll realize just how much you don't have to worry about H: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/need-help-with-emerald-cut-upgrade-to-3-to-4ct.199207/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/need-help-with-emerald-cut-upgrade-to-3-to-4ct.199207/[/URL] Mayk posts her K in that thread and links to another on DBL.
 
Most important to remember is that color is graded FACE DOWN. Where there is NO light return. Not face up where there is light return and refraction. You wear diamonds set. FACE UP.

Within one color grade, even the labs can't agree on the color grades of stones and something could be a "high" H or a "low" E. So... no. Not really. Within 2 color grades it is hard. Not impossible. But very hard. And it gets harder once set.
Generally we say to be conservative stay H and above.

This is how I think of it.

Ever gotten one of those HUGE paint fan decks? Where there are literally 100s of colors of whites? And when they are RIGHT next to each other you can TOTALLY tell that one is bluer/colder and one is a bit warmer and which one is one is TOTALLY warmer. One there's one that's slightly greener. One that's slightly pinker? But really. They are all white?

Then you pick one after agonizing over this white or that white and when it's on the walls and people are like: Oh. You painted again. And it's STILL white. Great.

And you're all... BUT it's BLUE white. Or it's a WARM white now. It used to be ____ white. It's TOTALLY different.

It's like that. You are talking about shades of white. D is colder... J is warmer. But it's all white.
 
I get your point gypsy. That's very well put. What about this diamond!? http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.21-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-290457


I don't think it "sparkles" and shows its facets quite as well as your examples gypsy, but it's close. It's at the high end of my budget as well, but I may be able to let this go. Does james allen come down on their prices any? Can I work with them at all or do they not do that?

Also, as far as the ring goes....is good old gold reputable? I know you have all talked about them, but I can't find a better business bureau rating like I can for james allen.
 
thst is a nice EC. I like it.
 
Schroeder, you might ask JA's staff for help choosing ECs that are worth getting ASETs for. Gypsy and I have opposite views of what we predict will ASET well. She worries my picks are over obstructed, which is definitely a possibility; I like to pick ones that have obstruction because I know those facets are not leaking. Remember that obstruction is not constant, it changes depending on the how close the stone is to the viewer, the lighting, and as you move the stone around. Leakage is not static, it changes as you move the stone around. The more samples we can get of videos+ASET images, the better, so that other newbs know what to look for.

This is my process of searching for stones on JA: bright white reflections, with as little greyness, which usually means leakage or lots of green in the ASET. They get a checkmark for comparison viewing.

I display the stones in the 15 per page view, and drag/rotate the stones around, and I'm looking for the angle that maximizes when the long (N/S) facets "flash" on, which is not the same as table glare. I stop the rotation and compare the the flashes; stones with fewer flashes get deleted from the comparison. I check for obstruction by looking mostly at the short E/W sides, facets that are persistently dark through many degrees of rotation get deleted. Also, bright sparkly windmill areas are usually a good sign for me.

This process is my own, and I have no idea if it is any better than throwing a bunch of emeralds down the stairs and picking the ones that are oriented towards Mecca.
 
but the facets that look black when looking right at them means they're is no leakage there and the light is caught in the stone right? what r windmills? still haven't figured that out either. u want the facets to be flashing on symmetrically across the stone as u rotate it right?

r obstructions inclusions?

can anyone tell me if good old gold is truly reputable? and is there anything else i should b concerned with or request with respect to the small diamonds or any other features on the ring I posted earlier? I may order that last ring I posted from JA and the ring from good old gold if they can price matc me.

will I have to pay tax on these since theyre internet purchases?


funny comment on mecca btw lol
 
Have you gone on goodoldgold.com and watched their youtube videos? You really should, specifically look at the differences in emerald cuts. Your questions on what you are looking for will be answered (and I am sure Julie and Gypsy will respond to your questions above as well bc they are experts in EC as well). Re: is GOG really as good as everyone says? Yes-look at some of the testimonials on here under the tab TESTIMONIALS- SO helpful to me, along with the input of PS helpers! GOG is absolutely awesome.

Oh and whether you choose JA or GOG, either will be tax free if they are shipped out of the state they are in -where are you?

I actually was in the same spot as you in Jan - once I contacted GOG- my prayers were answered. They are extremely honest. As a matter of fact, they helped me choose between several diamonds and selected one that was 1.34 that was under my budget because it faced up larger and had more beauty than the 1.50 carat that were in the final two. I really cannot say enough about them (though I just did a review on them in testimonials if you want to see).

Good luck-looking forward to your final selection!
 
Windmills are that fan/triangle area along the diagonal.

GOG is very good, I like their videos. The videos help you get a much better feeling of the stone that JA's videos, or other vendors pictures. This is their page on contrast and obstruction: http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/NewCutGrading/Contrast/
It talks about contrast due to leakage; a certain amount of leakage under the table can be a desirable appearance for some people.

Inclusions are things like crystals, clouds, feathers, cavities, knots, etc. that are in the diamond crystal.
 
JulieN|1393903323|3626984 said:
This process is my own, and I have no idea if it is any better than throwing a bunch of emeralds down the stairs and picking the ones that are oriented towards Mecca.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Awesome.

I just use the search parameters to narrow in on budget and clarity (above VS2), then adjust the search results for 15 views per page and largest carat weight first. Then I go through every stone individually. Some I can disqualify from just the still image. Others I look at the videos a couple times, slowing things down and speeding them up. I don't really care much about the windmills as long as they are dark. I care primarily about the facets closest to the girdle to see if the stone will have edge to edge brightness. Then I focus on the facets under the table to make sure they are as bright as can be and that they flash on and off and don't just stay in an off position when moving. Then I look at the crown height to make sure it is not flat. And then finally I'll look at the stats to see if there are any flags.

You wear stones on your hand so they are constantly moving. So I just make sure that the stone I pick are going to have edge to edge brightness and bright facets under the table so they do not look dead, and that the crown height is high enough to provide fire.
 
All,
I may have posted all these diamonds already. In fact, I believe I did. However, I wanted to gather them all together for a final vote. The first 3 have ASETs coming from JA. They should be here tomorrow. The last one (posted yesterday) does not have an ASET as I already used my 3 free ones by the time I saw this beauty.

1. This one looks like the facets glimmer and shine very nicely, but if you watch the 360 video you can see some obvious inclusions. This one can't be eye clean. Other than the blatantly obvious black spots I love this one. Am I being too particular? Will those inclusions be as visible in real life as they are in the video?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-281136

2. I believe I posted this one before and I was told it was "leaky." If I am not mistaken this is the stone that sparked my journey in education on leaky rocks. I think I can see it now. You can almost see right through this one like glass, and the facets down glimmer as much. It is big though, and the outer edges shine some.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-273647


3. I like this one a lot. The H color is kind of a bummer though. The price is getting up there too.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.10-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-275449

4. This is my favorite I think. It is big, clear, good color, and looks like it glimmers well. http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.21-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-290457

EDIT: Just spoke with JA and changed out an ASET on the leaky rock for #4! Too bad I prolly have to wait another 3 days now!

So, let's tally up the votes one last time and I'll stop bothering you guys! My top two are the last ones on the list.

As for the ring, JA is going to try to redesign and quote the ring for me, but I'm also calling GOG tomorrow to see if they can meet or beat the price. I'm guessing I'll pry just end up ordering the ring from somewhere and the rock from JA. Then I'll have them appraised and set here are a place in town.
 
Have them inquire if the F SI1 is eye clean first before they bother getting it into the office.
 
JulieN|1393990185|3627692 said:
Have them inquire if the F SI1 is eye clean first before they bother getting it into the office.
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Yup.
 
I love the 1.2 I color.

And I think it's a lovely stone.

I don't get why you are unhappy with H color in the other stone if you are okay with the I color in this one though.

Can you cancel the F ASET? Just ask them now to substitute the I for you.
 
The 1.21 I is my personal fave. SI stones in emerald cuts often have visible inclusions, I would be surprised if that one is truly eye clean- definitely ask. Good luck, you are almost there!!
 
manor set backs. I can nit believe I did not notice that stone's I color after looking at it so long. it really glimmers wonderfully too. :-( what a bummer. I have to contact JA again now. this is getting tiring looking so hard for this dsmn stone.

gypsy, before u gave me this link https://www.jrjewelers.com/index.php/designer-jewelry/artcarved-bridal/artcarved-engagement-rings/marla-artcarved-diamond-engagement-ring.html.... and u told me to c if good old gold could match the price. why though? y not just order this ring without the diamond right from the link u gave me? r they not reputable?



Here is a new list of 3. If you guys let me know what you think i'll have them change my ASET diamonds to these ones. I may still have them ASET the H from my list of 3 from last night though.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.03-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-216348

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.02-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-sku-256903

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-270362
 
I think I said Solomon Brother for the setting. And I have never heard of that place and I don't recommend jewelers I've never heard of.

You can't order the setting till you have the EXACT stone you are buying's measurements. Because they will need to order it to those measurements for you.

I would be OK with an I color stone. But it is riskier than you probably feel comfortable with. It is very pretty though. And you could just get it and see what you think in person. They have a 60 day bullet proof return policy AND they pay return shipping.

I don't like this diamond: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-270362

But the other two could be nice.

Here are alternatives:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-233751 (favorite)
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/1.00-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-230047 Not budget friendly and I like the H better.
 
do u feel theyll b able to accurately reproduce and price match the ring for me?
 
Both Good Old Gold and and Solomon Brothers are Artcarved vendors.
So the would not be reproducing anything. They'd be ordering it from the manufacturer. And they will send the manufacturer your stones measurements to make sure the setting fits your stone.

I gave you that link and and told you to ask them to price match so you could get a good price. But through a trusted vendor that is an authorized vendor for that brand.
 
here are the stats. paid 4300 for the rock. 2024 for the ring for a total of $6324. I feel like I got a great ring and stone at a great price!

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Not to be a dick.... but seriosly, no. That table is waaaaaay too big. Not just, oh..... could be a little smaller, but if you like it.... It is too big.
 
I like it. it looks big for a carat and all its figures fsll in the "ideal" category for an emerald cut so I think it is just what the term "ideal" implieas, ideal! :-) :-) I like it and think she will
 
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