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Markings on Art Deco ring?

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Ceilimom said:
You know, I was thinking of asking David Klass about recreating something like this ring. It's my impression that this vendor is a bit pricey and not very flexible. I've sent questions on some of their other rings and shied away after their response.
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I would LOVE to see David’s version of this ring!
 
SallyB said:
I would LOVE to see David’s version of this ring!
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As my name suggests, I'm a devotee of the Grymera from Victor Canera. I'd reach out and see what he'd quote you for a similar ring. It would be more than $4k including the stones, I believe, but see what he's quoting, sometimes I'm surprised by how worthwhile the prices are. If you look on the detail on the Grymera, it has more delicate "cuffs" than the Erstwhile piece, and an actual triwire shank. I think he could do something more like the line/bar you have.
 
I totally agree with @Nikki1415 , the gap between the emeralds are really distracting.
But also, the milgrain part of the ring seems to be running out of placement too.
There is a possibility that it might have been damaged either by a hard knock or perhaps a drop that caused the emeralds to shift towards the milgrain beadings at the side (which might also explain the gap).

I'd suggest you try looking for an alternative jeweler to get a quote on a piece like this considering the workmanship doesn't look too complicated, I'm sure you'll be able to find better alternatives with the price range you're looking at! :)


I have to say I really adore the overall design though! I love the Art Deco era pieces too!


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LightBright said:
Thank you Fortekitty for the information on newly cut French Cuts (sold at the Miami Show) and RFisher for observing that Argentinian reproduction pieces sometimes don’t have metal marks (but looking authentic).

About four years ago I was in a “antique” jewelry store in Cape May, New Jersey. The jewelry they had was stunning. The quality of the settings was excellent. The stones and designs were absolutely beautiful. Everything looked like the finest antique jewelry to me but even prettier (somehow made for a more modern sensibility). Then I asked the jeweler about authencity and she told me that 75% of her pieces were modern reproductions from Argentina. It was shocking, and it had fooled me (without a loupe).

I mention this to anyone who wants a truly antique piece because more and more I am seeing phenomenal reproductions with designs surpassing even high quality jewelers, being sold as authentic period pieces.

Regarding the ring posted here, I feel like it is a reproduction. It looks like a cast piece, rather than a hand forged piece, and there is no significant wear. It’s also a gorgeous design, with a modern sensibility (a little more streamlined). Plus, I’ve never seen anything like it in antique form.

A few weeks ago I posted in response to a poster who wanted advice on a couple of diamond solitaire rings being sold by Erstwhile Jewelry as authentic period pieces. The stones looked authentic to me, but the settings were NOT, IMO. Hearing Fortekitty’s observation about newly cut French Cuts being sold at Miami and... No, I’ve NEVER seen an antique platinum piece without a metal mark unless it was reshanked. This ring is just not an authentic period piece, IMO.

FYI - 1.20 carats of AUTHENTIC, ANTIQUE, LARGE French Cuts is well worth low $3,000 for people looking for true antique pieces. They are that rare.

IMO, if you love the ring, I think low $3,000s is a decent price. A retail custom designed setting (platinum/Ruthenium metal only) will cost you at least $1,500. EG you might be able to create a ring for that amount with a custom design, but it won’t have the very meticulous design of an Argentinian modern replica setting and you will have to find the repro cut stones (not many jewelers have them).

These are just my opinions. Thank you to all the posters who are illuminating the UBIQUITOUS nature of reproductions being sold as antique. It’s really sad and a little nervous making to realize that my beloved antiques are just not that available any more.
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Thanks, @LightBright. This is a lot of helpful info!
 
VeredynC said:
I totally agree with @Nikki1415 , the gap between the emeralds are really distracting.
But also, the milgrain part of the ring seems to be running out of placement too.
There is a possibility that it might have been damaged either by a hard knock or perhaps a drop that caused the emeralds to shift towards the milgrain beadings at the side (which might also explain the gap).

I'd suggest you try looking for an alternative jeweler to get a quote on a piece like this considering the workmanship doesn't look too complicated, I'm sure you'll be able to find better alternatives with the price range you're looking at! :)


I have to say I really adore the overall design though! I love the Art Deco era pieces too!


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I didn’t notice the milgrain issues. You have a good eye! Thanks, @VeredynC.
 
It’s obviously not an antique. So if you want it, buy it on the merits of it being a very pretty style ring with pretty large French cuts and pretty emeralds. At $3K its a decent price for platinum and 1.20 carats of diamond (if it is actually mined diamond with no grading report you don’t even know that) but not a bargain. I think it is super cute and pretty though.
 
If it's a in-house created piece, it's absurd to not provide proper grading/specs on the stones. They could have very easily weighed them before setting them, even if it wasn't "worth it" to send to GIA or EGL. Shady, shady!
 
SallyB said:
I just noticed the 2 rings at the base of her left and right middle fingers...hmm...

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Wow, good that you caught that. Although the ring is indeed gorgeous, most like it's a reproduced piece & not authentic Art Deco. If it were really an antique piece I doubt there would be a duplicate of the design. :/

Did you manage to get the diamond details or gemstone details yet? Perhaps you could dictate it's worth from there since we know the price is most likely not for its authenticity.
 
VeredynC said:
Wow, good that you caught that. Although the ring is indeed gorgeous, most like it's a reproduced piece & not authentic Art Deco. If it were really an antique piece I doubt there would be a duplicate of the design. :/

Did you manage to get the diamond details or gemstone details yet? Perhaps you could dictate it's worth from there since we know the price is most likely not for its authenticity.
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I emailed asking for more specifics but haven’t heard back yet. But they’re only in the office/showroom once a week now so I’ll give it a couple more days.
 
I guess that has to do with the measures for the coronavirus. The virus is such a bummer. :(

In any case, looking forward to hear more about the specifications of the stones!
 
I had my eye on that one too. It seemed similar to this ring that Berganza is selling (let's not get into how obscene the price is) and I thought how crazy there are 2 similar rings like that.

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I asked Sako to recreate a version for me since they can cut Emeralds in house. It is significantly cheaper than the asking price.

You might ask him but I suspect french cuts are going to pricey at that size (whatever size it is!). If you do buy it and want the gap sorted out he can probably fix that too.
 
CSpan said:
I had my eye on that one too. It seemed similar to this ring that Berganza is selling (let's not get into how obscene the price is) and I thought how crazy there are 2 similar rings like that.

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I asked Sako to recreate a version for me since they can cut Emeralds in house. It is significantly cheaper than the asking price.

You might ask him but I suspect french cuts are going to pricey at that size (whatever size it is!). If you do buy it and want the gap sorted out he can probably fix that too.
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Insane price is right! The Berganza website is fun for browsing, especially because of the videos, but everything seems overpriced to me.

How long before you receive your ring from Sako? I’m really excited to see it @CSpan!
 
SallyB said:
Insane price is right! The Berganza website is fun for browsing, especially because of the videos, but everything seems overpriced to me.

How long before you receive your ring from Sako? I’m really excited to see it @CSpan!
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I suspect that the ring from the vendor you are talking to is a very good repro as well. That's just my personal observation.

A while back on Ivy and Rose they had some loose French cuts. I don't know the quality of those, but I know they had them. It may be worth looking into having them one made and if you are not looking for a genuine antique.
 
The ring from Erstwhile sold, so I don’t have any more info on it.

Thank you everyone for saving me from making what would have likely been an expensive mistake! :)
 
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