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My Dream Ring: 8.1mm European Cut Diamond

Oh Dreamer I am very late to this party, but I'm grinning like a loon reading this (just saw the same in my email, guess it says something that I check PS before I check my email ..)


George is fabulous!!!!! And positively monstrous on your finger - the chunky faceting makes it *look* even bigger, I think!! (of course I mean that in the sweetest and blingiest way :halo: )
:appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl:

The perfect ending to a very long journey. I remember you talking about how much you liked Demelza's stone's faceting at your GTG and George is spot on for everything you said you liked! That collage earlier in this thread is pretty much exactly what I envision when I think "transitional" :love:

Gotta say, it's been really interesting following your trek. Precision-cut MRB to all manner of OECs in rapid succession :cheeky: to right down the middle... George is a really interesting compromise, actually. Enough precision that you don't have to worry about that sort of asymmetry driving you nuts long-term, I should think more than enough precision and symmetry to be at least somewhat predictable in terms of what sort of light play you're going to get (my OECs drive me a bit batty that way, I never know what to expect from them and I don't consider that a good thing!), gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous faceting - I think I could stare at the those facets turning on and off all day...

Your comments on fire vs. facet pattern & "brightness" are interesting. You've alluded to it before but I don't think you've ever come out and stated it as such - but now, after so many experiences with so many stones, no more guessing re priorities and preference :sun: I would LOVE to spend a few hours with it and an MRB of similar specs! I'll be interested to see what you think in a couple of weeks - I imagine you'll have *something* to add, or add to :bigsmile:

So, I am curious. It sounds like this is your favourite "flavour" of round? Which do you think is more likely to be a general crowd-pleaser, if either? I've never seen a (nicely proportioned) tranny that big IRL, I'm wondering if what I *think* I *should* see IRL is close what you actually see!
:love: :love: :love:


Edited - I'm reading through the thread*
 
Have you had it sized down yet??
 
I saw that diamond on ebay as well. You really have a good eye that you were able to determine from her pictures what a beautiful diamond it actually was. And it is absolutely beautiful, Dreamer.
 
Congrats, Dreamer. That's a beautiful diamond!
 
WOW, dreamer, that is absolutely GORGEOUS!! :love: A million congrats to you on acquiring that beauty, wear it in the best of health! :appl:

My OEC has a similar patterning to yours, and it definitely shows distinct arrows. It's like the best of both worlds!

I never tried to get a precise photo of the arrows, but you can see them pretty well here: ----
 
Dreamer_D, your posts have always been educational and I love reading them. Your posts about OECs have made me appreciate their chunky facets and charms. BUT....this diamond has made me a convert! Your diamond is AH-MAZ-ING!! You practically found the needle in the haystack! I'm happy to see that you have found THE ONE and I hope enjoy George for a long time.

PS: I'm not due for an upgrade any time soon but when I am, I hope you're still in this forum and will need your help!
 
omygad.. the faceting is INCREDIBLE. It reminds me of the AVRs. You seriously need to host an old cut guide!
 
Dreamer_D|1342413642|3234619 said:
LJL|1342405282|3234555 said:
I was off PS for a couple days and just saw this - and I died inside a little bit. How perfect is that stone? :love: :love: :love: :love: I dont have a lot of words, but that emoticon really sums it up.

So jealous ... will totally be calling for your help on RT in a couple weeks to help me find a stone thats half as beautiful as yours!

I assume "died a little " is a good thing, like the French say? 8)

And call away! I am happy to help!

YES ITS GOOD! Add me to the list of people who will take it off your hands! :bigsmile:

Do you have any pictures from the listing so those of us who didnt see it can see how they compare to the ones you posted?
 
Dreamer.. just reading the last few pages, you noted you wondered if your stone is not really just a MRB with shorter LGF...

When I saw your stone pictures, the first thing I said to myself: it's a MRB FIC! I wouldn't term it an OEC, maybe super super late transitional.

But whatever one calls it, it's flashy and chunky and beautiful ...just the way an old stone should be.
 
Dreamer_D|1342413571|3234617 said:
Anyways, all of this is to say that I am Smeagol to this ring and it is my Preciousssssssssss.

Wait a few years and I will be a full on Golem.

LOL! Hey dreamer--nice to see you found your HG! It's a gorgeous stone that marries (from what I've gleaned) your love of character and precision. And the size! Well. I agree--social norms be damned! I can relate to not living a big-diamond lifestyle, but having a big--well, big for me, diamond! It's right at home on your hand. It's interesting, I was flipping through Gilbertson's book just now--after I saw your pics, and your stone has an early Tolk ideal look. (I'm on pages 122-123--check out fig. 5-3) Now, that's not saying a ton, as the range was wide, but I would like to think of your stone as an early ideal with a firm place on the timeline. The pav/crown combo is right up my alley for this type--bet it faces up uber white in addition to being quite firey. (my flatter-top trannies (lol) are similar)
Kudos--nice job.

eta: sorry can't help myself, but I am picturing this stone in a killer 3 stone. I'm projecting here, but gaw, that would be insane. Anyway, love it as is.
 
Superb, that's an undeniable winner, Dreamer! Your search definitely paid off! Love the setting too. :love:
 
She is :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

Plus I love her name! :bigsmile:

I have enjoyed every step of your journey. Thank you for indulging us.

Now, what is the next project? RHR :Up_to_something: :wink2: :tongue:

:wavey:
 
I'm soooo late in posting here, but oh my gosh, what a beauuuutiful stone! :love: :appl: I just knew you were gonna drink the big diamond koolaide after you and Demelza's GTG. :lickout: Woot! Hoot! :appl:
 
I had a fun visit today to my jeweler and learned a fair bit about George and my setting.

They all ooohed and aaahed about George and lit up like Christmas trees when I brought her in! That was neat. They all agreed she was exceptionally well cut and a gorgeous make. And they loved the setting.

Turns out the setting is an original antique and an exceptionally well made one at that. The mount is hand made, hand carved and forged and assembled. It was really cool to take it to my jeweler -- who specialize in hand forging jewelery -- and see their reactions! They were all oooohing and aaahing and gathering around to admire the workmanship. The metalsmith explained to me how the basket gallery would have been made, and how they would have assembled the piece. They remarked at what excellent condition the ring is in, how it was likely not worn much. The wheat engraving is immaculate still. Basically, it is a really special setting that my jeweler said would likely cost about $3000+ to recreate. I was unsure how I felt about the mount before that, but learning how it was made and how old it must be, and how the artist who created it must have been a real master... it made me appreciate it much more and I will be happy to keep it and wear it!

The downside is that at some point the ring was resized using white gold not platinum :nono: Likely to save money. And the prongs had been redone in a sloppy and messy way. The prongs were large and globby and protrude up above the plane of the bezel. They should be very small and delicate and slightly triangular, and should be flat to the bezel or even slightly recessed. The milgrain was also worn off the bezel, probably when the stone was reset with globby prongs.

Anyways, they suggested that we unset George, resize the ring and reset her and redo the prongs and milgrain. I was hesitant, but they showed me what they would do and samples of their milgrain and I agreed. At the same time we will send George off to EGL for a lab report -- even thought my jeweler said "An EGL report, its like toilet paper.. that's how good it is" :lol: But he understood why I wanted it when I explained about old cuts and the norms. I don't plan to sell George, but for insurance its nice to have something objective like a lab report. Plus they have a sarin and I would like to know her stats.

So it should all be done in about 10 days! I'll of course be back with more pictures! In the meantime please cross your fingers for a good outcome on the work they are doing on the setting. They seem very much to love and appreciate the mount and want to fix it right, so hopefully they will follow through.

Oh, and George weighs 1.89ct, is 8mm in diameter, a good solid SI1, maybe VS2, and likely a J-K color :halo: The color was a shock to us all since when mounted the Jeweler thought she was a solid I color. So Coati you are right, she faces up really really white! Oh, and the girdle is bruted and very thin, like Tolkowski would have liked ;))

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george1_009.jpg
 
As long as this is not the jeweler who did a crap job with the prongs setting some earrings for you, I imagine it will be fine. And I agree...small, triangular prongs will look better. ;))
 
YUM!! I love the pics you just posted!
 
ditto loving the new pics..!! It looks more like a transitional there than a MRB, chameleon baby.

Can't wait to see the finished product. I just love truly vintage pieces, there's something so cool about thinking about all the history behind something.
 
It looks like I am late to chime in on your new find Dreamer but I LOVE it! It seems to be a big beauty. The faceting is splendid. I hope the repair work turns out well for you and keep it in it's original home.

Wear it in the best of health and happiness lady.
 
Ooh, George is gorgeous! And big! You always find such lovely stones. *admits to some jealousy*
 
That's great news!
 
coatimundi|1342479849|3235034 said:
Dreamer_D|1342413571|3234617 said:
Anyways, all of this is to say that I am Smeagol to this ring and it is my Preciousssssssssss.

Wait a few years and I will be a full on Golem.

LOL! Hey dreamer--nice to see you found your HG! It's a gorgeous stone that marries (from what I've gleaned) your love of character and precision. And the size! Well. I agree--social norms be damned! I can relate to not living a big-diamond lifestyle, but having a big--well, big for me, diamond! It's right at home on your hand. It's interesting, I was flipping through Gilbertson's book just now--after I saw your pics, and your stone has an early Tolk ideal look. (I'm on pages 122-123--check out fig. 5-3) Now, that's not saying a ton, as the range was wide, but I would like to think of your stone as an early ideal with a firm place on the timeline. The pav/crown combo is right up my alley for this type--bet it faces up uber white in addition to being quite firey. (my flatter-top trannies (lol) are similar)
Kudos--nice job.

eta: sorry can't help myself, but I am picturing this stone in a killer 3 stone. I'm projecting here, but gaw, that would be insane. Anyway, love it as is.

First, I read that section in Gilbertson's book and I think you may be right! A later figure shows images of a modern stone cut to Tolkowski's parameters and it is identical to my own (but for the table I suspect, mine is a little smalelr): 53 table, 60 depth, 50%+ LGF, medium culet, knife edge/very thin girdle, and about a 15% crown height. Really cool! And all those subtle differences from an MRB add up, the look is very different.

Someone needs to cut these :devil: I think AVRs are very close, but not quite the same.

Oh, and second, how the heck would I match the cut on this stone in a three stone?? Do not even get me started!!
 
Dreamer_D|1342549606|3235578 said:
coatimundi|1342479849|3235034 said:
Dreamer_D|1342413571|3234617 said:
Anyways, all of this is to say that I am Smeagol to this ring and it is my Preciousssssssssss.

Wait a few years and I will be a full on Golem.

LOL! Hey dreamer--nice to see you found your HG! It's a gorgeous stone that marries (from what I've gleaned) your love of character and precision. And the size! Well. I agree--social norms be damned! I can relate to not living a big-diamond lifestyle, but having a big--well, big for me, diamond! It's right at home on your hand. It's interesting, I was flipping through Gilbertson's book just now--after I saw your pics, and your stone has an early Tolk ideal look. (I'm on pages 122-123--check out fig. 5-3) Now, that's not saying a ton, as the range was wide, but I would like to think of your stone as an early ideal with a firm place on the timeline. The pav/crown combo is right up my alley for this type--bet it faces up uber white in addition to being quite firey. (my flatter-top trannies (lol) are similar)
Kudos--nice job.

eta: sorry can't help myself, but I am picturing this stone in a killer 3 stone. I'm projecting here, but gaw, that would be insane. Anyway, love it as is.

First, I read that section in Gilbertson's book and I think you may be right! A later figure shows images of a modern stone cut to Tolkowski's parameters and it is identical to my own (but for the table I suspect, mine is a little smalelr): 53 table, 60 depth, 50%+ LGF, medium culet, knife edge/very thin girdle, and about a 15% crown height. Really cool! And all those subtle differences from an MRB add up, the look is very different.

Someone needs to cut these :devil: I think AVRs are very close, but not quite the same.

Oh, and second, how the heck would I match the cut on this stone in a three stone?? Do not even get me started!!

Yep--I saw that image and thought the same (the one on p. 124. a1--right?), and yeah, your stone's table is smaller by a bit. I'll be curious to see the sarin report. And, it is very cool! The AVRs are somewhat similar, and I have seen other transitionals--as we call them--which are even closer to the AVR style. See, all the old cut nuts need to get this book, so we can start a "Date My Stone" thread--for kicks. I know it's not the same as stone in hand, but it would be a fun, virtual geek-out. I go back and forth on my stones date-wise.

Oh and if anyone can find a pair to flank this stone for a 3-stone...let's just say, I'm confident in your skillz. ;)) But again, it's perfect as is, so looking forward to seeing the tweaks.
 
I'm so happy that you found your dream ring dreamer! George is gorgeous!! :love: :love: You had mentioned in another thread that you had sent something off to Mike so I was thinking you were finally setting your three stone, so this is a beautiful surprise! It looks fantastic on you and I'm sure her little 'pick me up' will be very successful, sound like you have a great jeweler!
 
Dreamer, it's amazing! I'm so thrilled for you! I might need your help finding some stones for a couple of projects I have in mind. You have outdone yourself! :love: :love:
 
Dreamer, I'm glad that you're keeping the setting. I think George and the setting compliment each other. I can't wait to see the updates.

PS--is there a folder for OEC's like they have for 1-2 ct and 2-3 ct centerstones?
 
eh613c|1342566768|3235728 said:
Dreamer, I'm glad that you're keeping the setting. I think George and the setting compliment each other. I can't wait to see the updates.

PS--is there a folder for OEC's like they have for 1-2 ct and 2-3 ct centerstones?

I think I might have seen one but what a great idea... sometimes I just want an OEC beauty fix!!!
 
I'm glad the prongs are getting redone; they were distracting. Can't wait to see!!!!! :appl:
 
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