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ksinger

ksinger

Ideal_Rock
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OK, I finally have a reason to be in here. Yay! It's been a good long while...

OK...I've got the bug for another rock. And this one I want to be as big as possible, so I'm trying to do this on a strict budget.

I currently own an .81 J VS2, GIA EX H&A, that also falls into the AGS 000 range. A gorgeous stone with oodles of fire and brilliance. I have NO intention of getting rid of it, or considering this an upgrade. This is just MORE! :naughty: Color I do not care about, truly. Cut and light and eye-clean only. (I am assured it is eyeclean)

That said, should this stone tempt me, knowing what I'm used to? Will I be disappointed at a large difference between this stone and my own small kicker, or will I be bowled over. Understand, the price on this is quite good IMO, so I'm weighing the price against what I might lose by getting a stone just outside the ideal/EX range. (I have my concerns for the level of green in the ASET, but I'm no ASET expert by any stretch) I will more than entertain the opinions of those for whom assessing diamonds is a passion. And all comments will be greatly appreciated.

Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.29 - 7.35 x 4.52 mm
Carat Weight: 1.50 carat
Color Grade: Q to R Range
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Very Good
Proportions:
Depth: 61.7%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 42.5%
Star length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Strong Blue

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Can you post an Ideal Scope image? That is more important for an RB than an ASET.

Is it from a trusted vendor and will you see it in person?

The angles are not great, but whether that will matter to you or not depends a little on the ideal scope and also your own preferences. I think this is one I personally would want to see to make sure I was happy with its performance in light of the size/budget desires/constraints.

I can tell you for sure, the size difference will be HUGE.
 
Sorry...I just got ahead of myself.

It IS from a trusted vendor, but I can't easily GO there to look so.....

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Umm, Dreamer D - why do you think the numbers aren't that great? I mean that question in the most humble way because to me, it looks pretty good.

Unless I've done something wrong, the stone scores 0.8 on HCA. The lower girdle facet of 80% should give a lot of sparkle to this stone, if I'm not mistaken.

Q-R though? I have no idea what this would look like, and with strong fluorescence? Hmm.
 
40.6 PA is at the borderline when you can start having troubles with obstruction issue, taking into account the averaging and rounding of numbers by GIA.

The IS and ASET image looks like the stone is tilted to one side when the image is taken. The vendor should be able to retake the images? I think I know who the vendor is.
 
Stone-cold11 said:
40.6 PA is at the borderline when you can start having troubles with obstruction issue, taking into account the averaging and rounding of numbers by GIA.

The IS and ASET image looks like the stone is tilted to one side when the image is taken. The vendor should be able to retake the images? I think I know who the vendor is.
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I'm sure they would retake the images if I asked. And I don't know why I'm being so coy: the vender is Excel. They say it's a fireball, and eyeclean...
 
Stone-cold11 said:
40.6 PA is at the borderline when you can start having troubles with obstruction issue, taking into account the averaging and rounding of numbers by GIA.
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So would the IS image look more pink than red under the table with the "obstruction issue"? I guess I'm not totally clear about this. I'm learning.....
 
Black. Obstruction is black, normally just limited to the arrows, in the IS view, normal viewing distance of about 1 feet away. With obstruction issue, the star facet beside the arrow head becomes black too, paddles instead of arrow heads, and the arrow shaft become thicker, meaning the lower half/lower girdle facets starts to go black too, at normal viewing distance. This translate to a darker stone at normal viewing distance.

For this stone, probably due to the tilt but could be the result of the cut, 4 and 10 o'clock arrow heads are showing paddles, the arrow shafts in this 2 directions are also thicker. Slight paddles are also showing in other arrow heads.
 
I'm a fan of some green in the aset, it IMO causes a bit more variance in the patterning you see, pulls colors from the environment and not just from overhead. I think it's going to be awesome - you have a perfect stone, this doesn't need to be perfect, but it's going to be warm and huge and have qualities your other stone can't touch, I'd go for it.
 
Sorry, I accidentally looked at the PA % as being the angle :errrr: Looking at the IS images I think the slight paddles are from tilt in the image since it is not all around. I also think it is minor even if it is from the cut (not the image taking). I doubt you would notice much effect IRL.

I think given all the information -- the IS image, the angles, the vendor's comment, this could be a nice option!

Since you *do* own a super-duper-looper and like it, I would consider having it sent to you loose first so you can play with it a bit and make sure you love it, then send it back to them for setting if you choose to go for it. I bet you will love it. The size alone is going to make it perform very differently than you present .80ct, and that size difference variance will outweigh any non-perfect cut variance IMO.
 
Do you have a picture of the stone? I am very curious about the color, I cannot at all picture it. I'd also be curious if the tint is yellow, brown, or grey dominant. Usually it is yellow, bu the other are nice possibilities. I am a big fan of greyish tint myself.
 
Dreamer_D said:
Sorry, I accidentally looked at the PA % as being the angle :errrr: Looking at the IS images I think the slight paddles are from tilt in the image since it is not all around. I also think it is minor even if it is from the cut (not the image taking). I doubt you would notice much effect IRL.

I think given all the information -- the IS image, the angles, the vendor's comment, this could be a nice option!

Since you *do* own a super-duper-looper and like it, I would consider having it sent to you loose first so you can play with it a bit and make sure you love it, then send it back to them for setting if you choose to go for it. I bet you will love it. The size alone is going to make it perform very differently than you present .80ct, and that size difference variance will outweigh any non-perfect cut variance IMO.
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Ditto. I'm no expert, but since the color difference is going to be pretty big, I would definitely want to take a look at it in person and make a decision from there.

I have no idea what your budget is so feel free to ignore, but did you take a look at Infinity Diamond's lower-color stones? They have some beautiful ones if you decide to go with something else - but for example, here's a 1.58 L SI1 - http://highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=497

Also, how are you planning on setting it?
 
Stone-cold11 said:
Black. Obstruction is black, normally just limited to the arrows, in the IS view, normal viewing distance of about 1 feet away. With obstruction issue, the star facet beside the arrow head becomes black too, paddles instead of arrow heads, and the arrow shaft become thicker, meaning the lower half/lower girdle facets starts to go black too, at normal viewing distance. This translate to a darker stone at normal viewing distance.

For this stone, probably due to the tilt but could be the result of the cut, 4 and 10 o'clock arrow heads are showing paddles, the arrow shafts in this 2 directions are also thicker. Slight paddles are also showing in other arrow heads.
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Wow, that sounds horrible. Do you have a picture of this phenomena stone-cold11? Sorry if I'm thread-jacking a bit ksinger!

I think DreamerD brought up an excellent point about the dominant color - yellow, brown, or gray! Gray with blue floro would be interesting.
 
Thanks everyone who replied. I appreciate your time and opinions. It didn't look too too far out of the sweet spot, but I wasn't sure, so thank you.

Regarding the color, I was assured it had no brown, and was just "warm", but I was truly serious when I said color doesn't phase me. I don't think I'd like grey, but yellow or brown are alright by me. I'm a redhead after all and I already own a true yellow diamond.

And I'm all over the map on how to mount it, so right now I have NO idea. I'm considering something James Meyer, but then I love halos too. Too many designs, too few fingers. Besides, if I get it, I'll need to "live" around it until I get the feel for it. We have some find jewelers here that I would trust with it if I decide to have it mounted locally.

I'll be sure and let you all know what I decide!!

Thanks again!
 
Dreamer_D said:
Do you have a picture of the stone? I am very curious about the color, I cannot at all picture it. I'd also be curious if the tint is yellow, brown, or grey dominant. Usually it is yellow, bu the other are nice possibilities. I am a big fan of greyish tint myself.
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There was a picture at 10x, but it didn't show much color, and wasn't the best pic I've ever seen. Maybe it's because it really does face white; it has strong blue flouro after all... In any case, for the moment I'm relying on the other pics and the numbers.
 
ksinger said:
OK, I finally have a reason to be in here. Yay! It's been a good long while...
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Thread Jack....

1892 posts - Finally? you have a reason to be here?

I read that first line and looked at your post count and couldn't help but chuckle! :lol:

good luck with your search!
 
IceExplorer said:
ksinger said:
OK, I finally have a reason to be in here. Yay! It's been a good long while...
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Thread Jack....

1892 posts - Finally? you have a reason to be here?

I read that first line and looked at your post count and couldn't help but chuckle! :lol:

good luck with your search!
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Well, I never said I'd NEVER been in here, just that it'd been a long time, meaning, I haven't indulged in a new rock in a goodly while. ;-)

PS is a big place, with many countries. Some people vagabond around, some chat with everyone, some read on the sly. :)
 
Just FYI - I pulled the trigger. Now I just wait... :naughty: :snore: :naughty:
 
ksinger said:
Just FYI - I pulled the trigger. Now I just wait... :naughty: :snore: :naughty:
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I am so excited to hear what you think when you see it!

I admit, I would love to see a diamond in this color range in real life. I shall live vicariously through you.
 
Well, because the waiting is hard and I can't seem to contemplate anything else and I forgot to post the requested pic, here is the 10x pic of the stone. You can easily see the yellow...

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Well, you can't judge by pics of course, but the color looks very pleasing to my eye! Have you seen pictures of Glitterata's S color stone? It is a very lemony yellow, and your reminds me a little of that.
 
Sorry to drop off the earth guys, after the opinions and help and all. I got the stone and it is just a lovely warm sparkler, and quite as sparkly as my J.

Of course, I go to get pics of it for you guys, and my (increasingly erratic) camera finally decided to truly give up the ghost. I was taking pics of my J first to show as a comparison, and when I got ready to move to the Q, it died. Grrrr!
So now I need to get a new camera before I can resonably post pics. I'll be working on that ASAP.

I am taking the stone to a local appraiser of excellent reputation, on Friday. Hopefully after that I will have a new camera and can post pics. Heck maybe he can take a few for me.

Anyway, hang on. Pics will be forthcoming I promise.
 
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:appl: :appl: :appl: I am so glad you like it! Please do come back with pictures when the camera is cooperating :) :)

how do you plan to set it?
 
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Impatiently waiting for pictures :cheeky: ! The up-close looks really pretty!
 
Great! Can't wait for pictures!

Can you compare the color with your J in words for us? I would love to picture it in my mind...
 
OK...massively overdue I admit, but my camera DID die right when I was starting to take pics, and I had to go out and pick out a new one and all that rot. So now, that that's done, here are the pics of my new 1.5 carat R SI1. I like it bunches. Several of these shots really show that yellow, which as I've said, is no problem for me. :wacko: Some of the shots actually show the inclusions (aren't digital cameras just amazing??) but the stone really IS totally eye-clean...

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And one more....

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