Posters, I can''t believe I even have to say this.

[Mara]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:12:18 PM
Author: Maisie
TG I do feel that there are cliques here and its a shame.

The funniest quote I heard recently...

Person 1: ''I thought High School was over''
Person 2: ''High School is never over''

I thought ''Really? Gosh that''s not true''...then I thought....''Wow it is true''.

I hated high school. How sad to think that life is really like that! But it is.

I''m not sure what you term a clique. Yes I do ''click'' with people (HA HA I made a funny) but as TG said...she has no problem telling me to step off when she doesn''t agree. Alj is one of my best friends and we have disagreed in forum before and we disagree in person all the time. I used to disagree with Mrs Salvo in the forum quite often, yet I still like and respect her.

Just because two people feel the same way about a topic and actually like each other and other people know that...doesn''t mean that they are grouping together or cliqu''ing against anyone else. Maisie I know that you have good friends here, I don''t care if you decide to speak to support one of your friends posts. Or if you were to dissent, I wouldn''t care either. Big deal. Everyone should say what they think, and I *hope* people can speak for themselves and not be called cliquey.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:10:12 PM
Author: Mara

Date: 2/24/2008 6:04:37 PM
Author: Maisie
You know what I think really puts people off from being honest round here? The little groups who go round backing each other up. No doubt I will get shouted down for saying that.

Ha Ha Maisie...I think it''s rather ironic you say that...hehehe....I''m thankful for the giggle!

I welcome honesty quite frankly, I like it much better than passive-aggressive.

There''s way too much of that in real life!

TG you know you can always tell me that you think I''m being a nutter...with or without a long-winded post. A few succinct words like ''whatever weirdo!'' would make me smile.

It may appear ironic to you mara. I suppose I was trying to back Ellen up. I know she is a big girl and can take care of herself but I sometimes find the way you post to be very harsh. You call yourself straight and thick skinned. But you can''t expect everyone to take your type of brutal honesty easily. I have been here for more than a year now and I can honestly say I never know how to take you.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:17:42 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/24/2008 6:12:18 PM
Author: Maisie
TG I do feel that there are cliques here and its a shame.

Maisie, there are ''cliques'' in every forum. If that means that there are some posters one identifies with more than others, I am OK with that. I think the issue comes in when one clique is a bit more vocal than another. Then everyone cries ''clique! clique!'' not realizing that they are probably part of one as well.

On PS, there are some people who become part of a clique just by the mere fact that they have been around for along time. That''s kind of normal, in my opinion. People will invest more affection in those who they know will not disappear tomorrow.

Personally, I don''t feel part of any clique. Whether or not people perceive me as part of one is another story. I have only met one PSer in real life, and of course that is Mara. I feel a real affection for her because I''ve gotten to know her above and beyond her PS personality and it is far more endearing than people would guess on here. So I guess that colors my view.

Of course, Maisie, I think you''re very endearing, and I''ve never met you.

I hear what you are saying TG, and thankyou that you think I am endearing. Thats a really nice thing to say

 

[Mara]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:18:20 PM
Author: Maisie

Date: 2/24/2008 6:10:12 PM
Author: Mara

Date: 2/24/2008 6:04:37 PM
Author: Maisie
You know what I think really puts people off from being honest round here? The little groups who go round backing each other up. No doubt I will get shouted down for saying that.

Ha Ha Maisie...I think it's rather ironic you say that...hehehe....I'm thankful for the giggle!

I welcome honesty quite frankly, I like it much better than passive-aggressive.

There's way too much of that in real life!

TG you know you can always tell me that you think I'm being a nutter...with or without a long-winded post. A few succinct words like 'whatever weirdo!' would make me smile.

It may appear ironic to you mara. I suppose I was trying to back Ellen up. I know she is a big girl and can take care of herself but I sometimes find the way you post to be very harsh. You call yourself straight and thick skinned. But you can't expect everyone to take your type of brutal honesty easily. I have been here for more than a year now and I can honestly say I never know how to take you.

That's cool...I'm fine with that. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me question anything. It's just like real life.

The funny thing to me is that my 'brutal honesty' is actually quite toned down from previous years....this is me mellowing with age. Hahahha!!

 

[Maisie]

I don''t know whether you have toned your posts down, or just worked out how to word them so it could almost look like you are being nice.

 

[Mara]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:23:24 PM
Author: Maisie
I don''t know whether you have toned your posts down, or just worked out how to word them so it could almost look like you are being nice.

Oh ho!! Brutal honesty in all it''s glory...!! I love it.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:21:29 PM
Author: Mara

That''s cool...I''m fine with that. It doesn''t hurt my feelings or make me question anything. It''s just like real life.

The funny thing to me is that my ''brutal honesty'' is actually quite toned down from previous years....this is me mellowing with age. Hahahha!!

Honestly, she ain''t kidding. I lurked in 2003-2004. Back then there weren''t too many consumers on here, and I remember thinking, who IS this woman? She is just waaaay too opinionated! I never thought I would meet her and have her say to me that PSers would have no idea that I''m b*tchier in real life than SHE is.

Sadly, it''s true. Hehehe.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:18:20 PM
Author: Maisie

It may appear ironic to you mara. I suppose I was trying to back Ellen up. I know she is a big girl and can take care of herself but I sometimes find the way you post to be very harsh. You call yourself straight and thick skinned. But you can''t expect everyone to take your type of brutal honesty easily. I have been here for more than a year now and I can honestly say I never know how to take you.

Aw Maise, you are a sweetheart, you know that? I knew you were, and I really, really do appreciate it.

 

[Maisie]

Ah well..... I think I have probably said more than enough

 

[Mara]

Date: 2/24/2008 6:25:24 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 2/24/2008 6:21:29 PM
Author: Mara

That''s cool...I''m fine with that. It doesn''t hurt my feelings or make me question anything. It''s just like real life.

The funny thing to me is that my ''brutal honesty'' is actually quite toned down from previous years....this is me mellowing with age. Hahahha!!

Honestly, she ain''t kidding. I lurked in 2003-2004. Back then there weren''t too many consumers on here, and I remember thinking, who IS this woman? She is just waaaay too opinionated! I never thought I would meet her and have her say to me that PSers would have no idea that I''m b*tchier in real life than SHE is.

Sadly, it''s true. Hehehe.

Ha Ha but that''s why I love you.

It''s not often that I am in awe of other people''s quick-thinking minds in a verbal sense.

 

[diamondfan]

Hey, feeling some guilt here because I took a point and made it a bit my own. I was going with the premise of thanks and seeing it broadly...not expecting a poster to check threads a lot and be sure to thank each and every reply (and I do not think Ellen meant that either btw)...but also feeling that there is the case where someone comes here and is so self invested that over time it creates a reputation. Of course, anyone who does not mind it or does not feel the same, great. Not sure I should have even alluded to it.

It was something that had been on my mind, and as I said, my immediate solution at the time, rather than avoid PS, was to ignore the threads. And mostly, it does work....mostly.

I reworded my post the first time I replied because I had written SOME, and I thought, you know, it is really just one person, and if I say some it is not being fair. And I could have just agreed and said nothing, but, I really wrestled with it. I am pretty even keeled and I really do not get irked that easily, but through the course of things I just found it making me nutty. Did not say anything at all at the time, though I did stop replying. Figured I could just avoid getting irked if I did not even get involved. Does that limit me a bit where certain threads are concerned? Yes, but there is a lot to keep me busy here for sure! So I rationalized it like, hey, in life, some people rub you the wrong way, and that is it. If in life I was around someone like that, I would just avoid them as much as I could. I can stop getting sucked in. But someone can feel free to smack me, because literally I have no issues with almost the entirety of this board, agree, not agree, etc, I am just interested by all that goes on here.

 

[TravelingGal]

Well diamondfan, you obviously skipped MY posts because you missed where I promoted to Goddess over Gal. Hmph.

Actually, I think I got demoted to Thankless Gnome.

Anyway, like people have said DF, if something bothers you or me or anyone, the great thing about a forum is that we can choose to ignore. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[diamondfan]

I did see you got promoted, I asked how you did so and was bowing down in awe!

I just did not want to start any frenzy. I went the route of ignoring, which works well most of the time...and maybe was just being a touch snarky (moi?!) and feeling like putting it out there for all the annoyance I experienced at the time. Not TOO mature, but hey, we sometimes have to get our licks in where we can!

I just did not want anyone on this thread to feel concern. I might be too cowardly to actually address it head on, but I would NOT be nice or reply to someone that rubbed me the wrong way! Everyone on this thread thus far is great in mho.

 

[Mara]

Well I think that F&I would call dead horse at this point (or a page ago!!)...but just wanted to say that DF I think it's really admirable that you can come in here and say...hey you know I feel a little guilty because I know that I said XYZ...rather than saying something else. Of course NONE of us are perfect, and we all are guilty of a little snark from time to time. And trust me, I am not typically the one to call anyone out on behavior, because I know a lot of people think that I can be mean sometimes (when in reality I just am brutally honest as Maisie was so kind to point out...and I know not everyone relates).

Overall I think PS is a wonderful place filled with mostly wonderful people and it is really fabulous that way. Which is also why I was thinking...seriously knowing what I do about the internet forums and life in general, people on PS *are* so great about being nice to each other and ignoring what you don't like for the most part...I was not sure what the deal was with this thread. But as has been pointed out, obviously a ton of PS'ers liked being reminded to be nicer..I'm just that black sheep which is cool cuz I like black.

Plus as someone who has put a ton of time in here and gotten a lot of non-thanks in return over the years, it just doesn't affect me because I know that even though many times people don't say it, they are thinking it but they mentally have moved on.

So for me at this point now that this has been hashed out to it's death...the real question now is.....tonite is my last night of freedom before Greg comes home from his guys ski trip to Utah. Should I eat a real dinner...thinking all white meat burrito from our local cali-mex taqueria. Or should I just go to the local creamery and get what I really want, a banana split with hot fudge and 3 scoops of ice cream?

Decisions decisions.

 

[diamondfan]

you have to ask?

ICE CREAM. With extra cool whip!!!!

 

[TravelingGal]

People rub me the wrong way on PS from time to time. And then the same person rubs me totally the right way another day. That''s why I hope no one ever takes it personally if I disagree with them. It''s not that I don''t like them...it''s just that I disagree on THAT POINT.

Mara, you have to ask? Banana split. Duh.

And a slight hijack...if anyone every finds themself single and want to scope out hot men, go on a ski vacation by yourself (or with a couple of other gals). I''ve gone on some solo ski trips to Utah and will never forget when I went into a bar and found myself the ONLY WOMAN in the ENTIRE bar for a good chunk of time. Men will go on two types of trips with other men only - skiing and fishing. Women will rarely go skiing with women alone. The ratio is waaaaaaaaay in a woman''s favor on the slopes....

 

[Ali]

Enough said