Roe v. Wade.

[redwood66]

Statistics from Rainn (Rape Abuse Incest National Network)

Out of every 1,000 women who are raped, 995.4 perpetrators will walk free.

230 will be reported to the police.

46 will lead to an arrest.

9 cases get referred to prosecutors.

5 cases will lead to a felony conviction

4.6 rapists will be incarcerated.


@Redwood, Do you sincerely believe that a pregnancy after a rape is very rare?

I don't believe I said anything about rape. I have stated what my stance it about abortion - I'm not against it but there needs to be time limits, with restrictions for medical needs and rape/incest only. I'm not alone.

America’s Abortion Quandary

A majority of Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, but many are open to restrictions; many opponents of legal abortion say it should be legal in some circumstances.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[redwood66]

I don't think we should be wishing anyone dead in this thread.

 

[fel]

The supreme court's Dobbs decision will result in a lot of women dead, just on the maternal mortality rate alone, not taking into account botched abortions and suicide.

 

[whitewave]

I probably shouldn’t laugh but… FFS.

Go ahead and laugh. Louisiana is always messy.

 

[Calliecake]

The horrible part, I think, @Venti25, is that it isn't even about control alone. It's about meanness. It's about vindictiveness. It's about blame and shame. AND control.

It's cruelty signed into law.

Perfectly said @mrs-b.

 

[whitewave]

Ok. All 3 clinics in Louisiana are back tomorrow: Shreveport, Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

 

[digital_bling]

Ladies, there is no such thing as "fighting dirty" when your autonomy and life is at stake.
There is only fighting.
We're going IN.

 

[digital_bling]

I'm not going to be silent about this. If this topic is considered political than that is a corruption of the issue. This is basic human rights. I will no be silenced and have yet another right taken for the sake of polite discourse. Here, or anywhere.

I'm beyond disgusted, I am afraid for women everywhere.
The hypocrisy of the supposed 'sanctity of life' while stripping basic autonomy from half the population isn't freedom. It's actual tyranny. All of this is going on while rape is being rationalized and the fruits of that crime being called an 'opportunity' for the woman raped by some judge. Endlessly vile statements imposed by people who will not have to deal with the reality of it. Wanting to implement criminal punishment on women, not the men who impregnate them, women.

The hypocrisy of the statistical fact that more Christian women receive abortions than any other group, some while picketing the front of the clinic in the morning and coming in the side door that afternoon for a procedure.

“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly personal decision that many women a…

joycearthur.com

7 in 10 Women Who Have Had an Abortion Identify as a Christian - Lifeway Research

As the U.S. Supreme Court weighs the future of Roe v. Wade, many pastors may be surprised to learn how many churchgoers have had an abortion.

research.lifeway.com

The hypocrisy of forcing birth and care onto poor women while simultaneously whittling away any safety net that might have made for healthy supported outcomes for families. To use this supposed sacred life as a punishment to the woman. The pat refusal to take on responsibility for a decision that was forced by them onto another.

This is hypocrisy grown monstrous. The evil that grows from it is exponential.

It's slavery.

 

[Lookinagain]

Yes, Brown v Board of Ed overturned Plessy. States' rights were at issue, because Southern states argued that they should have the right to segregate based on race in their own states. The same right wingers who dog whistle about states' rights were behind the decision striking down New York's gun law, which has resulted in expanding concealed carry.

I guess some arguments are more convenient when you use them to push your own agenda, and ignore them when someone's contrary agenda is in play.

 

[Gussie]

so they are either both state's rights cases, or both constitutional amendment cases, which was my point. I didn't follow the distinction @smitcompton was making calling one a state's rights issue and the other a second amendment issue.

The reasoning (not an endorsement) - The 2nd Amendment is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, so it's not a state issue. Abortion isn't mentioned in the original constitution so it is left to the states by the 10th Amendment.

 

[Lookinagain]

The reasoning (not an endorsement) - The 2nd Amendment is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, so it's not a state issue. Abortion isn't mentioned in the original constitution so it is left to the states by the 10th Amendment.

But we were talking about Brown, so the 14th, equal protection clause. Not abortion. VS. the NY gun law.

 

[Gussie]

But we were talking about Brown, so the 14th, equal protection clause. Not abortion. VS. the NY gun law.

Oops, I didn't read all of the previous posts. Hangs head in shame...

 

[yssie]

My friend had one of the diamonds removed, and forever wore her ring with 4 diamonds and one empty hole [..]

My capacity to participate in this thread has dropped to zero the past couple of days, typing my thoughts and feelings out is exhausting. But I'm still reading and I'm still thinking and I'm still feeling. And I just read this and I'm trying to not cry. Thank you for sharing this memory mrs-b.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Concise and to the point.

 

[kenny]

My capacity to participate in this thread has dropped to zero the past couple of days, typing my thoughts and feelings out is exhausting. But I'm still reading and I'm still thinking and I'm still feeling. And I just read this and I'm trying to not cry. Thank you for sharing this memory mrs-b.

+1

This thread, and the gay ones.
It's all so depressing.

Orange is the new blue.

 

[airplay355]

I’m an embryologist and probably won’t be able to work in any of these states anymore. The dummies who write up these anti abortion laws also end up screwing with infertility medicine with their fairy tale bible version of biology. Crap like, “life begins at fertilization…” and such. How about an abnormally fertilized embryo with extra genome copies that won’t ever survive? Is it murder if I lose an embryo or if one doesn’t survive a procedure? How about embryos that stop growing but are still alive, gotta keep those and use them too? Did your IVF cycle generate 15 useable embryos, now you’ve got to get ready to have 15 kids? It’s already been illegal to discard embryos in LA, so I can only imagine what else the swamp states will come up with.

Not nearly as bad as some of the other problems this will create. I just wanted to point out that these laws force people to have children when they don’t want to and by limiting access to infertility care, prevent people from having children when they want to.

I’m lucky to currently live in the northeast, but I previously lived in the south and was considering moving to Texas. After this, I think I’ll stay put.

 

[yssie]

Legal abortion almost instantly came to an end in the state where I live on Friday with the activation of the state's "trigger law" that banned the procedure minutes after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned its federal constitutionality. This “trigger law” was put in back in 2019; just after the Orange Guy got his second Supreme Court justice seated. So, it seems that some of the Red States had foresight (that they didn’t have before) that this moment would come.

Comment from “our” governor:
"Thanks to decades of conservative leaders, the state has become one of the most pro-life states in the nation, and our Administration has always fought for the life of every unborn child. Today, our efforts have produced what generations of our citizens have worked and PRAYED for: Today, we have won our fight to protect innocent life."

I may live in the state, but his comments do NOT reflect my feelings. I am sick. Yesterday, I had human rights and the ability to make decisions concerning my own body. Today, as a woman, I am considered “less than a man”. I am also being controlled against my will.

To quote one of my friends, “This is just another giant step away from democracy and one toward theocratic authoritarianism. The “Handmaiden’s Tale” may be becoming more real than merely creepy fiction.”

Meanwhile, the state’s House Minority Leader (Democrat) made a statement that:
"Republicans will not stop with abortion. They will begin stripping away access to birth control and contraception, in vitro fertilization and marriage equality. With Roe overturned, the state now requires people to remain pregnant against their will, treating them as little more than fetal incubators with no rights or role in the decision, even in cases of rape and incest.”

This second statement reflects what many in the state feel and fear. Not everyone in Red States (especially in the larger cities) are anti-women’s rights/ anti-abortion. Unfortunately, a large percentage of the more rural residents (based on what their religion tells them to think) probably are anti-abortion & more. That is then reflected in the state’s overall political leanings. Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering, votes (other than “Right Wing”) votes will make little or no difference in most of this state. I can vote to keep women’s rights, etc. But the other side is stronger. Plus, those in power have successfully jockeyed voting districts to make sure their POV remains dominant. My voting voice gets lost in the wind; just as my right to control my own body in this state now also has. Because of the newest gerrymandering (to stay in place for the next 10 years) the very limited “liberal strongholds” (small as they may be) have been chopped to pieces to make sure than the couple of Democrats currently in Congress will not be able to win re-election in this state.

Nevertheless, because I am a child of America (I have multiple ancestors who fought for America’s freedom in the Revolutionary War), I do still vote. My female ancestors fought to get the right for me to do so. I had a great grandmother who was an activist who fought (and helped win) both a women’s right to vote and to use contraception. That was over 100 years ago. Now, deep down, I’m suddenly wondering if my voting rights (restricted as they may be in this state) could be eventually totally taken away from me, too because I am a woman. Almost 50 years ago, the Supreme Court gave women the right to control their own bodies and health. Supposedly, that was a done deal and could never be taken away. With the control of my own body now being abruptly stripped away in 2022, paranoia concerning keeping other basic US citizen rights for women was bound to creep in… The current talk of this state’s government making contraception illegal seems to be taking women back to the early 1900’s. What next?

Currently, the State Legislature here intends to pass a law to totally stop their female residents from ever having abortions in another state. The first-of-its-kind proposal would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a woman have an abortion — from the out-of-state physician who performs the procedure to whoever helps transport a person across state lines to a clinic. Plus, anyone else in between who remotely tries to helping a woman. Even someone out-of-state who funds her travel or anything. This all isn’t merely out of a concern for the unborn. This is a power grab for total control over women based on their sex. Some have compared this new anti-abortion add-on legislation to the state’s old 1840's "Runaway Slave" law. With new laws effecting abortion and a woman’s right to control her own body, the parallel of controlling a “slave” is moving to the forefront. This all says that women in this state are seen as less than full, free human beings. It’s crazy town. Now that Row v. Wade has been dismantled by a very biased Supreme Court, I’m sure the state will be moving quickly along with their additional legislation against women. This assault against womanhood is on a fast downward spiral.

Ironically, from the beginning of the COVID pandemic, this state has very strongly and vocally promoted “freedom of choice”. But that has been freedom of choice to ignore the pandemic. Not a freedom of choice for women as human beings. Even if those more vulnerable to a dire outcome from COVID might die from someone else’s “freedom” to spread the virus, the state was totally okay with that idea. In that case, all life wasn’t considered “precious”. “My body; my right” was the war cry to avoid vaccinations and masks. That war cry did nothing to protect women and their unborn babies from the risks of COVID. If anything, it may have endangered them more. From the beginning, the governor has been a just good ole boy telling “his” folks just what they want to hear… Direct quote: “You don’t need no dang mask if you don’t want to wear one.” So, there has never been a state mask ordinance to help prevent deaths during the worst of the pandemic. In fact, the state’s AG was (and still is) suing and suing again local health departments, schools, and city governments over local mask wearing ordinances that were put in place to protect the lives of their local citizens. Of course, those protective ordinances no longer exist. However, IMO, suing (to stop those who are trying to save human lives) is just the opposite of believing that all human life (starting at sperm meets egg) is precious and needs to be protected. BTW, the state has a very low vaccination rate: one of the lowest in the Nation. The state governor claims personal freedom trumps (no pun intended) all else. Personal freedom (for those who support the political in-crowd) has been the only important thing being promoted by our state government during a life stealing pandemic. Varying actions that could harm others seemed to be okay in the eyes of the state in this praise of “personal freedom.”

Although it infuriates me, I won’t get really started on how (repeatedly after many, major, new mass shootings making the news) this state’s politicians have routinely immediately raffled off AK 15 assault rifles to prove how much this state’s politicians believe in “personal freedom”. These politicians and their devote followers have indicated that the mass murder of human beings (including children) should not deny anyone their personal freedoms & their gun rights.

So, I don’t understand what “pro-life” really means here beyond the control of women to be forced breeders. This state government has proven again and again how little they really care about protecting existing human life in general. The only concerns seem to be unborn fetuses because that gets them bonus points from those with a one issue voting agenda. With women being stripped of their constitutional right to control their own bodies, there is now an increased risk that the very lives of more pregnant women could be significantly endangered or even lost. With no exceptions for rape or incest in the abortion ban, violence being used to impregnant a woman is being rewarded. This all seems so anti-woman.

Although the AG and the Governor are celebrating the new anti-woman law, many women here are outraged and in shock. Not every woman in a Red State goes along with the Pro-Life Movement (meaning anti-abortion). But that doesn’t matter. This state’s government “believes the concept of women's freedom and autonomy should be frozen in time, back to when women were their husbands' property, with few rights of their own." So repressing women is becoming the law of the land.

This state has a death penalty. The state will kill a human. These exact same politicians (approving and overseeing human life execution) also insist that “unborn life” must be protected (from the moment of conception or even before) because “all life is precious”. I have no strong feelings about the death penalty for those who commit really horrendous crimes. My only point is that this state government really does not consider all life sacred. They will themselves kill. But these same politicians have set arbitrary laws that cells coming together to start to form a fetus must be protected from its host who may herself be harmed (physically or emotionally) by these cells’ continued development. This is blatant control of a segment of the population; not really a concern for “all” life.

For many in this state, women’s lives have never mattered. With those, women have been traditionally considered less than men. This opinion has been shared by many women themselves. When we first moved here, such attitudes shocked me. It felt like stepping into a backwards time warp. But as long as the US Constitution protected women and our human rights, assorted, odd, anti-woman opinions coming from some locals could be ignored. I just avoided those people. Their views didn’t affect anything for or about me.

Now, everything has been changed. When you look more deeply, all this hullaballoo about saving unborn lives may NOT be because an undeveloped fetus represents a potentially future child. From the way I see it, a rabid obsession with preventing abortions may be more a way to keep women in their proper historical place as “less than” … Plus, it may also be the result of generations of brainwashing. This is the same as with any and most all “anti-someone else” sentiments & fears.

Some anti-abortion enthusiasts have been even willing to kill (abortion doctors, whoever) to promote their anti-abortion case. That has never made sense to me. Killing another human is not just about protecting “some fertilized cells that might become a life”. It is more about exerting personal power. Now, thanks to the 2022 SCOTUS, those folks seem to have the power. What will they want next?

If nothing else, an abortion ban is a matter of church & state merging and then some very ambitious politicians then feeding off that. We’re no longer living in the America where I grew up. Growing up, I was taught to believe that women have worth. Women are more than just breeding vessels, and we certainly can think for ourselves. Women are every bit the equal of a man. Gone are the days when a man (husband, father, other) needed to and did control everything a woman did or even thought. Or at least, I had believed this before Friday. Now, with the government controlling what a woman does with her own body, I fear for the future.

Someone earlier in this thread suggested to put in “a federal law that requires states that ban abortions to require their residents to adopt 2 children each year up to a maximum of 8 children that are born in that state and given up for adoption.” Although I live in a Red state, I couldn’t cope with having an unwanted child (children) forced on me. That would be cruel and unfair punishment based on where I live; just as is forcing women, who need an abortion (for whatever personal reason) to carry an unwanted fetus to term. Neither situation would benefit a child. No child should be unwanted. But with SCOTUS taking away women’s constitutional rights to control their own bodies, American society is going to be faced with all kinds of new problems; including an increase in unwanted, discarded children that had more value (by the right-to-lifers) as a fetus than as an actual child. What will happen with these children? The politicians don’t seem to care.

I’m absolutely sick over Friday’s Supreme Court’s decision. I’m sick that the state, where I reside, has so quickly passed a law (counter to my personal beliefs) that have made me technically (in the eyes of the law) less than a man. I’m sick that there will be more unwanted children going forward than our society already can handle. I’m sick that too many women will suffer both mentally and physically. I’m sick and fearful about what may be next. There undoubtedly now will be a “next”.

I grew up in & spent my earlier married years in pretty liberal Blue States & never dreamed of the craziness I’ve seen after moving here. But a job transfer got us here. Unfortunately, we now can’t just pick up & leave. But even if we could, all it will take is a Republican Congress (in the future) to pass a law to outlaw abortion in all 50 states and then make all women legally second-class citizens. Then, no woman will have any good, legal options concerning their reproductive rights. So, if you live in a Purple State (or even a Blue one) PLEASE vote for the rights of all of us who believe that women deserve the same human rights of any man. Our bodies belong to us, not to the government.

Unfortunately, I think the price of gas, etc. will probably influence votes more in the midterms than the Supreme Court taking away the right to a safe abortion for the women in over half of the US states. I’m a realist. I’ve also been around a while to know how these things usually go. Most people are one issue voters & (except for the zealous Religious Right), that issue usually lands where $$$ is involved; not ethics or human rights.

Anyhow, for women to lose their constitutional right to control their own bodies, makes women no longer equal to men in America. Women’s freedom to choose — their jobs, names, lifestyles, and health care — have been hard-won in this country. Stripping women of their constitutionally granted, reproductive rights (made into law of the land almost 50 years ago) will once again result in multi-dimensional control of those who aren't men.

I feel sick and so very, very sad. Plus, I am not very optimistic at the moment about the future. I think it’s been about 6 years since I’ve last truly felt optimistic about America’s future. SCOTUS’s now stripping women of one of their Constitutional rights is just another nail in the coffin of America’s democracy. I feel that an extremist court has not only taken away the dignity and rights of American women (which is a major blow for all girls & women of all ages), but the court’s actions will negatively affect America’s future as a whole.

Sorry, this has been so long. I needed to vent. Like for many women here, Friday’s Supreme Court ruling has hit me hard emotionally. In the state, where I live, the withdrawal of women’s right to control their own bodies and futures took effect immediately. There has been no “getting used to the idea” grace period. On Thursday, I had constitutional human rights. On Friday, I became a second-class citizen, who body and actions belong to the state government. All because of my being a woman; plus, where I live. This is insanity. Frighteningly, things can and probably will get worse.

This is an admittedly pathetic response to this heartfelt and poignant post - but starbrite, thank you. And I’m sorry.

 

[Ionysis]

My capacity to participate in this thread has dropped to zero the past couple of days, typing my thoughts and feelings out is exhausting. But I'm still reading and I'm still thinking and I'm still feeling. And I just read this and I'm trying to not cry. Thank you for sharing this memory mrs-b.

Me too.

There but for the grace of god go any of us.

 

[missy]

I shared this a few weeks ago but it is worth sharing again.



This says it all.

 

[HGar]

As an outsider from Australia it is all too horrible to take in.

Part of me wonders what would happen going forward to people who experience my story. In 2004 my husband and I were holidaying on Oahu when I was 19wks 3 days pregnant with our first child. My husband got up early and went surfing with friends whilst I stayed in bed. Approx 2hrs later my water broke and I was rushed to the Women and Childrens Hospital. The staff managed to locate my husband via the surfboard rental company and he rushed to my bedside.

The medical staff told me there was really only 2 options. We could stay in hospital and proceed with the labor however the baby would die either during birth or shortly thereafter. The other choice - have a termination. Faced with a 10hr flight home - possibly having to arrange a funeral was too much and we chose the termination.

We flew home two days later and made a promise that we would return to the US however not until we had completed our family with as many babies as we were to be blessed with. 6 years and three babies later we returned to Oahu - and every day we think of what may have been but thank the big guy upstairs for our blessings.

I could not imagine not being able to choose what to do as a visitor faced with that - but even moreso to be a citizen who should be afforded the right to choose is even more heartbreaking.

 

[swingtime]

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[Calliecake]

+1

This thread, and the gay ones.
It's all so depressing.

@kenny, Reading your post mad me so sad. I remember the day Gay Marriage became legal. You and I were joking about, wondering how a certain news station was going to cover the news while their heads were exploding. Now I’m wondering what the hell happened to our country. I’m so glad you live in a blue state. I they go after gay marriage we will fight like hell to fix this. Love always wins.

Thank you so much for your above post @swingtime!

 

[Bonfire]

Republicans have it backwards. We need to regulate weapons, not women.

 

[LightBright]

I've been tempted to make this point. I'm glad you did.

The anti-religious discourse in response to this decision is misplaced. Like in many other parts of the world that are rife with conflict due to religious beliefs, we are under the thumb of fundamentalists and far-right evangelicals. They show up to vote, and will vociferously push their beliefs onto others with a type of fanaticism that the typical Christian simply won't because they don't fancy themselves martyrs.

TL;DR- there are many American Christians who do not buy into this fundamentalist rhetoric and in fact, abhor it.

I'm quite unsettled by the anti-religious remarks from people (here and elsewhere) who I think know better.

At this point, I'm willing to play the numbers.

90% of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks. So to that end, I think abortion on demand up to 12 weeks should be included as an amendment to the Constitution. Let's at least start from the point where the fetus is non-viable, does not feel pain, has not developed independent organs and is 100% dependent on the mother. I think this could garner wide ranging support.

But sadly, I think it's 3rd trimester abortion that needs to be most protected. Nobody goes through 7 months of pregnancy then thinks - "Naaah - I think I'm gonna change my mind...." I once did an in depth numerical (ie case by case, as far as I was able to access - and there's more information about this out there than you might think) breakdown of third trimester abortion in Australia and it came down to one of two things. ALWAYS. Severe deformation/non-viability of the fetus, or threat of death to the mother. Anti abortion proponents almost always say they're against allowing late term abortion because "threat to the mother" is far too broad a term - including depression and "I've decided this might wreck my otherwise perfect life." This was virtually NEVER the case. And - more interestingly - threat to the mother's life was also almost never the reason for a late term abortion. The reason was almost ALWAYS that the baby would be non-viable outside the womb. Overwhelmingly, late term abortion was carried out to spare the baby pain after birth. The whole argument of "We can't allow late term abortion on the basis of threat to the mother because that's too broad a definition and women might be frivolous about it or self indulgent or just plain indecisive and moody and not know their own minds etc etc <insert endless sexist crap talk>" was, in practice, never the case. Some women aborted because they were going to die. But most aborted to save their child pain. Why did they choose late term abortion on this basis? Because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LOVE THE FETUS/BABY THE MOST. They are that child's MOTHER, and they know it's THEM who is responsible to protect that baby - even if it means ending the fetus's life a day, a week, a month early.

But these Supreme Court justices - do you think they've read the numbers? Nope. These policy makers - have they researched the REAL issue - not the nightmare, made up scenario that exists only in their head? No. Do they trust these would-be, heart broken mothers to make a clear minded, compassionate choice? No. Why?

Because we're women. We're 'the other'. Because they think they're the only people who could possibly know best. In the final analysis - because we're not them.

The ego inherent in that belief is just overwhelming.

Anybody who had read the information that's readily available would know that late term abortion is the most heartbreaking and sacred act of all when it comes to abortion. The people who don't know this, don't know it because they don't want to.

To combine this topic with, oddly enough, jewelry....

I used to know a woman who carried a baby that was found to have trisomy 21 aka Downs Syndrome. The baby she carried had a severe form which included a large hole in the heart, no eyes and no nose. Other organs, like the liver and kidneys, were also under-developed. Brain damage was assumed due to malformation of the skull. She chose to have a late term abortion to save the baby the agony of child birth and immediate death once outside the womb. The baby went from floating in the dim warm fluids of its mother's belly, to being anesthetized and ultimately delivered calmly and respectfully, still born at 7 months.

Her husband bought my friend a 5 stone diamond ring after her baby died, representing her and her husband and their three children. My friend had one of the diamonds removed, and forever wore her ring with 4 diamonds and one empty hole, which she said always represented the hole left in her life by the passing of her baby. To the best of my knowledge, over 10 years later, she still wears her ring and actively grieves for her lost baby. But she does not regret her decision.

This is one story of many. None of them are frivolous. All of them are heartbreaking. And every single one should be the choice of the mother - the person who cares the most.

Thank you for sharing this. I also hesitate to put time limits on a medical procedure that could be necessary at any time. I think a universal stop gap measure like you suggest is so important to establish right now eg: emergency measures for all citizens, and your story perfectly illustrates why I also feel ultimately the timing decision should be made by the pregnant individual in consult with their doctor.

 

[OreoRosies86]

So for those arguing that there should be restriction for abortions except for rape, incest, medical reasons, what does the process involve for a woman who has been raped? She has to go to the police? She has to prove the rape in court? What if she was raped by her husband? Is that a grounds for refusing her an abortion? I mean does anyone think about it at all or is it just “Ah yes, well, rape we can forgive her for because she wasn’t just being an irresponsible hussy.”

My god I get so depressed when the misogyny call comes from inside the house.

 

[mrs-b]

Republicans have it backwards. We need to regulate weapons, not women.

I saw a great meme this morning, @Bonfire.

"I'm going to have my vagina turned into a gun so I can have some civil liberties."

ETA. Let's be honest, "uterus" would actually be more accurate than "vagina" here, but I like the use of "vagina" because I want to shove the part of my body that makes sooo many people uncomfortable in all their faces. Metaphorically speaking.

#ragingfeministwiththeemphasisonrage

 

[Bonfire]

I saw a great meme this morning, @Bonfire.

"I'm going to have my vagina turned into a gun so I can have some civil liberties."

ETA. Let's be honest, "uterus" would actually be more accurate than "vagina" here, but I like the use of "vagina" because I want to shove the part of my body that makes sooo many people uncomfortable in all their faces. Metaphorically speaking.

#ragingfeministwiththeemphasisonrage

Brilliant mrs-b!
We already know the metaphor for a gun don’t we

 

[Gloria27]

I shared this a few weeks ago but it is worth sharing again.



This says it all.

Please post it on the COVID thread too.
Mandates rob people of choice.

 

[fel]

Please post it on the COVID thread too.
Mandates rob people of choice.

Wow, so you think wearing a mask for a few hours is equivalent to having carry a fetus for 9 months and all the health risk that entails, going through the pain of childbirth, paying for hospital bills potentially in the 10's of thousands of dollars, and then raising a child for the next 18 years and the expense associated with that. Yeah I guess they are just about the same.... NOT.

*Speaking as someone who is not at all comfortable in masks owing to asthma, and still used one for many circumstances in my chosen profession over the last 2.5 years to abide by the building rules.

 

[redwood66]

Wow, so you think wearing a mask for a few hours is equivalent to having carry a fetus for 9 months and all the health risk that entails, going through the pain of childbirth, paying for hospital bills potentially in the 10's of thousands of dollars, and then raising a child for the next 18 years and the expense associated with that. Yeah I guess they are just about the same.... NOT.

*Speaking as someone who is not at all comfortable in masks owing to asthma, and still used one for many circumstances in my chosen profession over the last 2.5 years to abide by the building rules.

So bodily autonomy goes out the window when you think it's not that big of an inconvenience? It's not about equivalence.