The new Twitter, under Musk

[Gloria27]

See, this is what I'm talking about as one example:
This is just not true:
For example Moderna was proven to cause heart issues in young men and got banned.

It wasn't banned, there were rare occurrences of what was mild myocarditis that self resolved and the chance of having much more serious myocarditis is much higher with actual Covid infection.
For male children in particular the likelihood of myocarditis is 6 times higher with just Covid infection itself.
Vaccines actually have been found to help mitigate that. It was found that benefits far outweighed the rare occurrence and risk.

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

Risk of Myocarditis from COVID-19 Infection in People Under Age 20: A Population-Based Analysis - PubMed

Myocarditis (or pericarditis or myopericarditis) from primary COVID19 infection occurred at a rate as high as 450 per million in young males. Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

newsGP - Vaccine and infection myocarditis risks contrasted

A new Immunisation Coalition chart illustrates the much higher myocarditis risks following COVID-19 infection compared to vaccination.

www1.racgp.org.au

New study updates evidence on rare heart condition after covid vaccination - BMJ Group

Number of cases low and predominantly mild Young males at highest risk shortly after second dose, suggesting longer dosing intervals might be beneficial Findings must be considered alongside overall benefits of vaccination A study published by The BMJ today provides an up to date summary of...

www.bmj.com

It's much more irresponsible and dangerous to leave the kids unprotected when all information is looked at equally.
People hear one thing, they don't know what it means and they don't know how to find out otherwise and voila, the fearmongering worked. It's more dangerous for those kids. It pisses me off because it's hard to combat all the misinfo. Lies and bullshit spread much faster. Those kids and their families pay an extremely high price. For whom, truly? That's the question.

The rest of what you've been told is misinterpreted too.

It was suspended, not banned (same difference) and it was Sweden not USA but still, there was a correlation and they stopped using it.

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

www.reuters.com

Study based on almost 200k people:
"We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection"

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I have not been told anything, I can look stuff up by myself.

Apologies to the other folks, I've infected this topic too...

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

It was suspended, not banned (same difference) and it was Sweden not USA but still, there was a correlation.

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

www.reuters.com

Study based on almost 200k people:
"We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection"

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I have not been told anything, I can look stuff up by myself.

No, not the same. At all.
The rest of the planet thinks vaccines are a better bet.

Sweden does recommend vaccines in 12 and over.
There are real questions as to whether Sweden made the correct decisions on their Covid response. They're questioning now if they made the right moves.
Many in Sweden itself disagreed with their method and it wasn't without cost.
Many of their elderly died, to be frank. They cocked this up a bit. They admit to this. It wasn't the best approach. They're learning the hard way.
Swedes also complied at a rate of 80% with health recommendations such as masking and social distancing. They follow and trust authority. Something that didn't happen in the US.

Corona Commission: Sweden's Covid response was flawed but allowed freedoms - Radio Sweden

The government should have taken clearer leadership in Sweden's response to the coronavirus pandemic. That's the conclusion of a major investigation into ...

sverigesradio.se

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Snip:
The country's cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response.

The other studies I linked were based on millions of doses, there is also ample information about children in particular.

Well, there is danger in that as I said, if you don't have a real grasp of what you're looking at. Picking random outliers isn't a good idea either. Bad sources are another. They're outliers for a reason. In science, you throw those out. Surface skimming doesn't give a full picture and is usually wrong when not taking factors into consideration.

That's how it is for most, that's why there are experts.

I hope you keep researching and learning, it's important. If you have questions, many are answered in the Covid threads.
I only caution you to be careful how you do it.


Stay safe.

 

[Gloria27]

No, not the same. At all.
The rest of the planet thinks vaccines are a better bet.

Sweden does recommend vaccines in 12 and over.
There are real questions as to whether Sweden made the correct decisions on their Covid response. They're questioning now if they made the right moves.
Many in Sweden itself disagreed with their method and it wasn't without cost.
Many of their elderly died, to be frank. They cocked this up a bit. They admit to this. It wasn't the best approach. They're learning the hard way.
Swedes also complied at a rate of 80% with health recommendations such as masking and social distancing. They follow and trust authority. Something that didn't happen in the US.

Corona Commission: Sweden's Covid response was flawed but allowed freedoms - Radio Sweden

The government should have taken clearer leadership in Sweden's response to the coronavirus pandemic. That's the conclusion of a major investigation into ...

sverigesradio.se

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Snip:
The country's cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response.

The other studies I linked were based on millions of doses, there is also ample information about children in particular.

Well, there is danger in that as I said, if you don't have a real grasp of what you're looking at. Picking random outliers isn't a good idea either. Bad sources are another. They're outliers for a reason. In science, you throw those out. Surface skimming doesn't give a full picture and is usually wrong when not taking factors into consideration.

That's how it is for most, that's why there are experts.

I hope you keep researching and learning, it's important. If you have questions, many are answered in the Covid threads.
I only caution you to be careful how you do it.


Stay safe.

I will never stop researching and learning in this life.
I am also happy with my choices so far

See you on the other topics, this convo was not bad at all! (not sarcasm I'm saying it was good)

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Elon's proving how brilliant he is by fundamentally misunderstanding free speech while whining that Apple is jumping ship from his platform. That'll work aces, little buddy.
Twitter is roasting him for it.

 

[Gloria27]

No, not the same. At all.
The rest of the planet thinks vaccines are a better bet.

Sweden does recommend vaccines in 12 and over.
There are real questions as to whether Sweden made the correct decisions on their Covid response. They're questioning now if they made the right moves.
Many in Sweden itself disagreed with their method and it wasn't without cost.
Many of their elderly died, to be frank. They cocked this up a bit. They admit to this. It wasn't the best approach. They're learning the hard way.
Swedes also complied at a rate of 80% with health recommendations such as masking and social distancing. They follow and trust authority. Something that didn't happen in the US.

Corona Commission: Sweden's Covid response was flawed but allowed freedoms - Radio Sweden

The government should have taken clearer leadership in Sweden's response to the coronavirus pandemic. That's the conclusion of a major investigation into ...

sverigesradio.se

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Snip:
The country's cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response.

The other studies I linked were based on millions of doses, there is also ample information about children in particular.

Well, there is danger in that as I said, if you don't have a real grasp of what you're looking at. Picking random outliers isn't a good idea either. Bad sources are another. They're outliers for a reason. In science, you throw those out. Surface skimming doesn't give a full picture and is usually wrong when not taking factors into consideration.

That's how it is for most, that's why there are experts.

I hope you keep researching and learning, it's important. If you have questions, many are answered in the Covid threads.
I only caution you to be careful how you do it.


Stay safe.

Had a little nap then went over the data like a good citizen and what you are saying it's not correct. There is enough data from multiple mainstream souces to do the math, Swedens deaths were not on par with USA, were a lot less.

Deaths rates are also dependant on the type of care received in the hospital, the availability of treatments etc. There is massive difference even between EU countries if you compare the poorer countries from Eastern Europe to the Western ones.

It wasn't just Sweden that halted the use of Mordena in that age group, it was a bunch of EU countries actually: Sweden, Germany, France, Finland and Iceland.

Like my dermatologist said, don't buy products made outside the EU, especially USA, they approve all kinds of substances that have been long banned in the EU. I trust that the EU scientists know what they are saying, I mean 5 countries can't be wrong and the correlation between heart issues and the jab is real.

 

[Gloria27]

Elon's proving how brilliant he is by fundamentally misunderstanding free speech while whining that Apple is jumping ship from his platform. That'll work aces, little buddy.
Twitter is roasting him for it.

Tesla phones next?

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Tesla phones next?

Not by Elon.
Maybe Virgin will do it like they did with the Hyperloop, half the cost and it will actually work.

Had a little nap then went over the data like a good citizen and what you are saying it's not correct. There is enough data from multiple mainstream souces to do the math, Swedens deaths were not on par with USA, were a lot less.

Deaths rates are also dependant on the type of care received in the hospital, the availability of treatments etc. There is massive difference even between EU countries if you compare the poorer countries from Eastern Europe to the Western ones.

It wasn't just Sweden that halted the use of Mordena in that age group, it was a bunch of EU countries actually: Sweden, Germany, France, Finland and Iceland.

Like my dermatologist said, don't buy products made outside the EU, especially USA, they approve all kinds of substances that have been long banned in the EU. I trust that the EU scientists know what they are saying, I mean 5 countries can't be wrong and the correlation between heart issues and the jab is real.

I didn't say it, Sweden did.
I don't happen to agree with the decisions for under 12's at this time in this handful of countries. They are still vaccinating those at risk under 12, however. Also, their reasoning for not doing it isn't because their primary worry is about self resolving short term side effects. There are many factors. They are taking a gamble against mutation and adult percentage of vaccinated population/compliance to public health protocol- all of which are much higher than the US. Each country has said they will vaccinate their total child populations in event of mutation into more severe disease. Stay tuned.

The reason Sweden isn't vaccinating kids 5–11 against Covid, explained

Vaccine guidelines vary between countries. That's normal.

www.motherjones.com

Interim statement on COVID-19 vaccination for children

This document was first published on 24 November 2021 and was updated on 11 August 2022. WHO, with the support of the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization and its COVID-19 Vaccines Working Group, is reviewing the emerging evidence on the need for and timing of vaccinating...

www.who.int

COVID jabs for kids: they’re safe and they work — so why is uptake so patchy?

Some countries are now offering COVID vaccines for children as young as six months. Nature looks at how effective they are and why more kids haven’t had them.

www.nature.com

I can't keep you from taking a gamble, that is your decision. I would point out that America is not this small group of highly compliant countries.
I personally have vaccinated mine. With all of the information gathered I find it not worth the risk to leave them unprotected.
My only goal in this thread is to stop misinformation and clarify reasoning. I dearly hope your rationalization holds. I also hope that if a new mutation crops up, which could happen in our large country with lower vaccination and noncompliance to public safety measures, or spreads to higher compliant countries, that you have the correct information to do what's best for your children and for yourself.

This pandemic has been estimated to have killed has killed 15 million so far worldwide. It isn't over.

15 million people have died in the pandemic, WHO says

The World Health Organization’s long-awaited estimate of excess COVID deaths is in line with other studies.

www.nature.com

As always, stay safe.

 

[Gloria27]

Not by Elon.
Maybe Virgin will do it like they did with the Hyperloop, half the cost and it will actually work.


I didn't say it, Sweden did.
I don't happen to agree with the decisions for under 12's at this time in this handful of countries. They are still vaccinating those at risk under 12, however. Also, their reasoning for not doing it isn't because their primary worry is about self resolving short term side effects. There are many factors. They are taking a gamble against mutation and adult percentage of vaccinated population/compliance to public health protocol- all of which are much higher than the US. Each country has said they will vaccinate their total child populations in event of mutation into more severe disease. Stay tuned.

The reason Sweden isn't vaccinating kids 5–11 against Covid, explained

Vaccine guidelines vary between countries. That's normal.

www.motherjones.com

Interim statement on COVID-19 vaccination for children

This document was first published on 24 November 2021 and was updated on 11 August 2022. WHO, with the support of the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization and its COVID-19 Vaccines Working Group, is reviewing the emerging evidence on the need for and timing of vaccinating...

www.who.int

COVID jabs for kids: they’re safe and they work — so why is uptake so patchy?

Some countries are now offering COVID vaccines for children as young as six months. Nature looks at how effective they are and why more kids haven’t had them.

www.nature.com

I can't keep you from taking a gamble, that is your decision. I would point out that America is not this small group of highly compliant countries.
I personally have vaccinated mine. With all of the information gathered I find it not worth the risk to leave them unprotected.
My only goal in this thread is to stop misinformation and clarify reasoning. I dearly hope your rationalization holds. I also hope that if a new mutation crops up, which could happen in our large country with lower vaccination and noncompliance to public safety measures, or spreads to higher compliant countries, that you have the correct information to do what's best for your children and for yourself.

This pandemic has been estimated to have killed has killed 15 million so far worldwide. It isn't over.

15 million people have died in the pandemic, WHO says

The World Health Organization’s long-awaited estimate of excess COVID deaths is in line with other studies.

www.nature.com

As always, stay safe.

This is all I ever wanted, to be able to take this decision and it happened by pure luck when they backed out of mandates (UK politicians scandal, they were not following basic guidance while people died alone in hospitals and care homes).

Btw, mutations happen for a million reasons like: depending on who they infect (we are all very different immunologically and in some the virus will mutate) or when the virus tries to escape current means of treatment (like bacteria), so stop blaming the unvaxxed, just stop.

Oh and viruses tend to become less deadly as they mutate, I'm happy to have gotten Omicron instead of Alpha and this is thanks to myself for keeping myself safe for as long as possible (before getting it from the vaxxed).

 

[Demon]

Not by Elon.
Maybe Virgin will do it like they did with the Hyperloop, half the cost and it will actually work.


I didn't say it, Sweden did.
I don't happen to agree with the decisions for under 12's at this time in this handful of countries. They are still vaccinating those at risk under 12, however. Also, their reasoning for not doing it isn't because their primary worry is about self resolving short term side effects. There are many factors. They are taking a gamble against mutation and adult percentage of vaccinated population/compliance to public health protocol- all of which are much higher than the US. Each country has said they will vaccinate their total child populations in event of mutation into more severe disease. Stay tuned.

The reason Sweden isn't vaccinating kids 5–11 against Covid, explained

Vaccine guidelines vary between countries. That's normal.

www.motherjones.com

Interim statement on COVID-19 vaccination for children

This document was first published on 24 November 2021 and was updated on 11 August 2022. WHO, with the support of the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization and its COVID-19 Vaccines Working Group, is reviewing the emerging evidence on the need for and timing of vaccinating...

www.who.int

COVID jabs for kids: they’re safe and they work — so why is uptake so patchy?

Some countries are now offering COVID vaccines for children as young as six months. Nature looks at how effective they are and why more kids haven’t had them.

www.nature.com

I can't keep you from taking a gamble, that is your decision. I would point out that America is not this small group of highly compliant countries.
I personally have vaccinated mine. With all of the information gathered I find it not worth the risk to leave them unprotected.
My only goal in this thread is to stop misinformation and clarify reasoning. I dearly hope your rationalization holds. I also hope that if a new mutation crops up, which could happen in our large country with lower vaccination and noncompliance to public safety measures, or spreads to higher compliant countries, that you have the correct information to do what's best for your children and for yourself.

This pandemic has been estimated to have killed has killed 15 million so far worldwide. It isn't over.

15 million people have died in the pandemic, WHO says

The World Health Organization’s long-awaited estimate of excess COVID deaths is in line with other studies.

www.nature.com

As always, stay safe.

A new variant you say? Yes, we have one

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-11-28/new-covid-variant-xbb-is-gaining-ground-among-americans

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Well, as I said, partial understanding and incorrect information is dangerous.
What you are saying is just not correct. It is impossible to fully predict pattern.

Viruses can evolve to be more deadly

As the spread of coronavirus variants raise new public health questions, social media users are sharing misinformation about how viruses mutate.

apnews.com

Debunking the idea viruses always evolve to become less virulent

The concept can be traced back to a theory from the late 1800s.

abcnews.go.com

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Why Viruses Mutate, Explained by an Infectious Disease Expert

www.unitypoint.org

It isn't blame, it's observable outcome. Not vaccinating fuels mutations, which become variants.

 

[Gloria27]

Well, as I said, partial understanding and incorrect information is dangerous.
What you are saying is just not correct. It is impossible to fully predict pattern.

Viruses can evolve to be more deadly

As the spread of coronavirus variants raise new public health questions, social media users are sharing misinformation about how viruses mutate.

apnews.com

Debunking the idea viruses always evolve to become less virulent

The concept can be traced back to a theory from the late 1800s.

abcnews.go.com

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Why Viruses Mutate, Explained by an Infectious Disease Expert

www.unitypoint.org

It isn't blame, it's observable outcome. Not vaccinating fuels mutations, which become variants.

You can't predict it but YOU KNOW it comes from the unvaxxed?
Really? Speed of science must be.

Lets agree that the more people it infects the more it mutates, and we all know by know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so that is that.

Why does the virus mutate?​

Viruses, like all living things, go through mutations throughout their lifespan. If a mutation provides a survival advantage, then that mutated version becomes the dominant strain. Just like the chameleons have evolved to change skin pigment shades to avoid predators, the COVID-19 virus evolves to avoid the human immune system.
source: https://www.nationaljewish.org/pati...-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate


If the virus tries to evade the immune system what happens when it evades an immune system that was vaxxed?

Didn't Omicron evade the old vaxx?


"Speed of science" will not predict and make vaccines on time, you said it yourself, the pattern is unpredictable.

 

[telephone89]

You can't predict it but YOU KNOW it comes from the unvaxxed?
Really? Speed of science must be.

Lets agree that the more people it infects the more it mutates, and we all know by know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so that is that.

Why does the virus mutate?​

Viruses, like all living things, go through mutations throughout their lifespan. If a mutation provides a survival advantage, then that mutated version becomes the dominant strain. Just like the chameleons have evolved to change skin pigment shades to avoid predators, the COVID-19 virus evolves to avoid the human immune system.
source: https://www.nationaljewish.org/pati...-19-variants-vaccines-why-does-a-virus-mutate


If the virus tries to evade the immune system what happens when it evades an immune system that was vaxxed?

Didn't Omicron evade the old vaxx?


"Speed of science" will not predict and make vaccines on time, you said it yourself, the pattern is unpredictable.

Vaccines are effective. Full stop. Continuing to spread conspiracy theories and harp on false/disproved information on any thread you can is not helpful. Your own link even says:

Do the vaccines protect us against these new variants?​

Vaccination has changed the trajectory of the pandemic by preventing an estimated 20 million deaths. Estimates suggest that COVID-19 deaths would have been more than three times higher and hospitalizations nearly five times higher without a vaccine.

Based on the CDC, unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated people are:

• Five times more likely to test positive for COVID (10 times more likely vs. those who have been boosted)
• Eight times more likely to be hospitalized as an adult (10-12 times in ages 12-64 years)
• Fourteen times more likely to die from COVID (20 times more likely vs. those who have been boosted

 

[Gloria27]

Vaccines are effective. Full stop. Continuing to spread conspiracy theories and harp on false/disproved information on any thread you can is not helpful. Your own link even says:

Do the vaccines protect us against these new variants?​

Vaccination has changed the trajectory of the pandemic by preventing an estimated 20 million deaths. Estimates suggest that COVID-19 deaths would have been more than three times higher and hospitalizations nearly five times higher without a vaccine.

Based on the CDC, unvaccinated people compared to vaccinated people are:

• Five times more likely to test positive for COVID (10 times more likely vs. those who have been boosted)
• Eight times more likely to be hospitalized as an adult (10-12 times in ages 12-64 years)
• Fourteen times more likely to die from COVID (20 times more likely vs. those who have been boosted

Unvaxxed can have natural immunity. Most people already had Covid, stop pointing fingers, stop with the false accusations, it doesn't work.

 

[telephone89]

Unvaxxed can have natural immunity. Most people already had Covid, stop pointing fingers, stop with the false accusations, it doesn't work.

The unvaxxed "can" have natural immunity, but are still 10x more likely to be infected per your link. Also according to your link the virus needs to infect hosts in order to mutate. It's pretty easy math to see if unvaxxed are 10x more likely to be infected, they are also much more likely to infect others, continue the spread, and continue to provide hosts for the virus to mutate.

This is literally from what YOU posted, how is it a false accusation?

 

[telephone89]

This is timely and relevant, considering the misinformation being spread even on this thread. Unfortunate.

Twitter no longer enforcing COVID-19 misinformation policy after Musk takeover - National | Globalnews.ca

A one-sentence update to Twitter's online rules states the policy was no longer being enforced as of Nov. 23, which some accounts have already taken advantage of.

globalnews.ca

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Again, not me, prevailing collective experts around the world which we should defer to.

There are things we know and one of them is that it is always better to vaccinate against disease than not to. In this we actually can say, that is that.
It's much more complicated than you realize. There are great limitations to natural immunity. We can't even accurately tell which antibodies (there are different types) will be produced or if more or less of individual type are produced within each individual body.
We can introduce the most effective of them with vaccines. These antibodies are more effective at recognizing variation in spike proteins.

I don't know how to make it any more simple than that.
Again partial info, that is largely oversimplified and just wrong.
* natural immunity against that ONE variant, for a limited time at varying successive degree and effectiveness, sure. No added benefit against any other variant.

COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?

If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

www.nebraskamed.com

How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

A key issue as we move closer to ending the pandemic is determining more precisely how long people exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the COVID-19 virus, will make neutralizing antibodies against this dangerou…

directorsblog.nih.gov

mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies more effective than natural immunity in neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 and its high affinity variants - Scientific Reports

Several variants of SARS-CoV-2 have emerged. Those with mutations in the angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE2) receptor binding domain (RBD) are associated with increased transmission and severity. In this study, we developed both antibody quantification and functional neutralization assays...

www.nature.com

 

[Gloria27]

You are barking at the wrong tree.
It is impossible to vaccinate every human on the globe all at once to stop this assuming the vaccine actually stops transmission (we know better know).

Logistically it is impossible, some countries cannot afford it and it would have to be done in stages, we are talking about billions of people, it's impossible to queue all at the same time, people live in rural area where is no electricity to store the vaccines.

What do you think the virus would do meanwhile?
You can keep pointing the finger, it doesn't work, mutations will keep happening.

nighty night!

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Wait, don't forget to take your goalposts with you
Good night and good luck!

 

[LilAlex]

Can someone please put this vaccine-denialism thread out of our misery? I am so over the "teach the controversy" attitude that manipulators use for everything now. Crazy Kyrie Irving was wrong about Flat Earth and wrong about Jews but he super-nailed it on COVID vaccines.

I feel like it's 2021 again.

Anyone who has done their own (highly selective and social-media-driven) research and uncovered tiny tidbits of doubt is not worth trying to reason with this late in the game. The medical literature is like the Bible -- you can find something to support almost any crazy idea. That's why we rely on consensus -- and prioritization of better studies over weaker studies in setting guidelines.

Oh, and if one country says "if you live in our (rich, white, fit, compliant, ethnically-homogeneous) country and the prevalence of infection has waned to the current modest level, then avoid this one vaccine manufacturer in under-12s because there are better choices," that's exactly what that means. It does not mean that vaccines don't work or are not worth the risk. And the FOX et al shills who sow this doubt for fun and profit are of course all vaccinated because they are not as dumb as their target audience.

COVID causes terrible heart disease. There is way more heart disease from COVID (and most of it is still like the 95% of the iceberg you can not see) than from COVID vaccination. This is like the old "seatbelts wrinkle my dress" argument.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Can someone please put this vaccine-denialism thread out of our misery? I am so over the "teach the controversy" attitude that manipulators use for everything now. Crazy Kyrie Irving was wrong about Flat Earth and wrong about Jews but he super-nailed it on COVID vaccines.

I feel like it's 2021 again.

Anyone who has done their own (highly selective and social-media-driven) research and uncovered tiny tidbits of doubt is not worth trying to reason with this late in the game. The medical literature is like the Bible -- you can find something to support almost any crazy idea. That's why we rely on consensus -- and prioritization of better studies over weaker studies in setting guidelines.

Oh, and if one country says "if you live in our (rich, white, fit, compliant, ethnically-homogeneous) country and the prevalence of infection has waned to the current modest level, then avoid this one vaccine manufacturer in under-12s because there are better choices," that's exactly what that means. It does not mean that vaccines don't work or are not worth the risk. And the FOX et al shills who sow this doubt for fun and profit are of course all vaccinated because they are not as dumb as their target audience.

COVID causes terrible heart disease. There is way more heart disease from COVID (and most of it is still like the 95% of the iceberg you can not see) than from COVID vaccination. This is like the old "seatbelts wrinkle my dress" argument.

I know, I know. I'm sorry! Look, see? Shhhhh. Pretty.
I just don't want misinformation on this board because it's everywhere else. Not here. Not on my damned watch.

 

[kenny]

Don't argue with anti-vaxers.
The 2022 mid-terms demonstrated how Darwin is taking them out (hopefully before they reproduced).

and ...

 

[Autumn in New England]

Our very bright friend @yssie stole my thunder, but kudos especially to @LilAlex and @ItsMainelyYou for the brilliant posts. Slightly O/T, but Musk posted this yesterday, and hilarity ensued in the comments. A few of the best...













And my personal favorite... zing!

 

[LilAlex]

Can this even be real?! Seriously, if he were a little younger, I'd worry he's about to shoot up a school. I don't say that lightly. Or else announce a run for President.

Related: BBC just reported that Twitter will no longer enforce its policy against Covid misinformation. Its other policies on (non-Covid) false information remain in force. Open season on misinformation is limited to Covid. This is not saying "We welcome all viewpoints." This is saying "We welcome misinformation." This is remarkably Trumpy "That'll show my enemies!" It also will ensure that vaccine- and Covid-deniers have access to only the finest "research." You could not make this up if you tried.

EDIT: This is the link to the BBC story: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63796832

 

[Gloria27]

Don't argue with anti-vaxers.
The 2022 mid-terms demonstrated how Darwin is taking them out (hopefully before they reproduced).

and ...

I never called you or anyone else names or thrown insults at you.
Glad you are showng your true colours, this is who you are.

 

[kenny]

I never called you or anyone else names or thrown insults at you.
Glad you are showng your true colours, this is who you are.

No worries.

 

[Gloria27]

I know, I know. I'm sorry! Look, see? Shhhhh. Pretty.
I just don't want misinformation on this board because it's everywhere else. Not here. Not on my damned watch.

I didn't say it, Sweden did.

You are parroting false information, below is the information that anyone can google, from official sources.



The math is this:

US covid deaths 1.1 % of total Covid cases

Sweden covid deaths: 0,8 % of total Covid cases

 

[Matata]

Twitter will no longer enforce its COVID misinformation policy

Public health experts and social media researchers are concerned that the change could have serious consequences if it discourages vaccination and other efforts to combat the still-spreading virus.

www.npr.org

No comment.

 

[Lookinagain]

Twitter will no longer enforce its COVID misinformation policy

Public health experts and social media researchers are concerned that the change could have serious consequences if it discourages vaccination and other efforts to combat the still-spreading virus.

www.npr.org

No comment.

well, I do wonder which misinformation will be allowed next. Just by calling it a "covid misinformation policy" they have already defined it as "misinformation"...haven't they?

 

[monarch64]

I never called you or anyone else names or thrown insults at you.
Glad you are showng your true colours, this is who you are.

How many sock accounts do you have now? Just those two that liked your post? LOLOLOLOL

 

[Gloria27]

How many sock accounts do you have now? Just those two that liked your post? LOLOLOLOL

Mate, I just woke up and enjoying my cuppa. Really, it's funny you think I'd give up my sleep for you, lol.
Maybe it's Musk himself liking my posts.