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The Official TTC Thread!

Yay Mela! Congrats! I''m on CD3, so about 9 more days until I ovulate, which gives me plenty of time to not get sick! I''m glad to be at home right now, though, this holiday helps a lot. I''ve had such a wonky ability to sleep- I can totally fall asleep during the day, but at night I''m just laying there all night. Not fun.

Any news from Blen?
 
WOW Mela Lu - CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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I can''t believe I missed all the excitement this weekend!! That''s such awesome news and I''m sooooo happy for you and your hubby!!! Look, you didn''t need me as a sponsor! LOL.. Sooooo got any Croatian names picked out yet??
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Well, Aunt F came to visit me today which means another cycle with a 9 day luteal phase. *sigh* My doctor is closed today for Memorial Day, but I will be calling them tomorrow regarding lengthing my luteal phase. I really want to have things in working order before I leave for Italy/Croatia next month - wishful thinking maybe? We''ll see what the doctor says I guess...

DD - if I went by what TCOYF suggests, then my luteal phase would also be 10 days (my first elevated temp was also the day before I ovulated). It''s strange because I know that 10 days is short for a luteal phase, but some websites I''ve been reading say that a woman should have between 10-14 days and other sites say that 10 is too short (and I agree).

Will let you know what the doctor says...hopefully, I don''t need to go in and just need to start progesterone cream, but we shall see!
 
What is progesterone cream? Teach me! Teach me!
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:28:00 PM
Author: Independent Gal
What is progesterone cream? Teach me! Teach me!

Helps if you have a short luteal phase. The idea is that if your LF is too short you won't be able to implant properly.
 
I totally agree that lengthening it would be ideal. I''m not 100% positive, but pretty darn sure that I implanted this lickle one 10 DPO. let us know what your Dr says! I''m SO JEALOUS that you''re going to Europe next month. LUCKY GIRL!!! I''m already dying to see your pics.

BB - re: names. We''re not going to go the Croatian route, but try for Latin based names that sound good in English/Italian/Croatian/French. Phew. We''ve got a couple goodies but will have to wait until delivery. We''re also keeping the sex a secret - HEHEHEHEHEEH!!!!!!!
 
Indy - Progesterone cream is a chemical and will automatically raise your progeserone level. Here''s something I found online which will help explain why women might need to use it:

The body produces progesterone in the second half of the cycle, known as the luteal phase. It’s progesterone that causes the basal body temperature to rise. It’s progesterone that helps the lining of the uterus to thicken for a possible fertilized egg to implant. It’s progesterone that goes on to maintain a pregnancy, once implantation takes place. And it’s progesterone that keeps the baby safely in the womb until ready to be born.

If progesterone is deficient, you will experience PMS, luteal phase deficiency, miscarriage, preterm labor and possibly premature birth. Low progesterone is also responsible for post partum depression in many cases. Knowing what progesterone does you can certainly see why a deficiency in this can cause a lot of problems.
 
wow. great info!
so, is there any way to help maintain your progesterone level during pregnancy? eek. I guess I really need to get on the preg thread. sorry
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good info though!
How do you, er, use it?
 
So is that something they can do a blood test for?
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:14:11 PM
Author: blushingbride
WOW Mela Lu - CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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I can''t believe I missed all the excitement this weekend!! That''s such awesome news and I''m sooooo happy for you and your hubby!!! Look, you didn''t need me as a sponsor! LOL.. Sooooo got any Croatian names picked out yet??
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Well, Aunt F came to visit me today which means another cycle with a 9 day luteal phase. *sigh* My doctor is closed today for Memorial Day, but I will be calling them tomorrow regarding lengthing my luteal phase. I really want to have things in working order before I leave for Italy/Croatia next month - wishful thinking maybe? We''ll see what the doctor says I guess...

DD - if I went by what TCOYF suggests, then my luteal phase would also be 10 days (my first elevated temp was also the day before I ovulated). It''s strange because I know that 10 days is short for a luteal phase, but some websites I''ve been reading say that a woman should have between 10-14 days and other sites say that 10 is too short (and I agree).

Will let you know what the doctor says...hopefully, I don''t need to go in and just need to start progesterone cream, but we shall see!
Hey blushing, that sucks about another shorter phase. I know that 10 days seems short, and while it is on the borderline probably, it is not "too short". But see what your Doctor says. Do you have TCOYF? They have a whole section on short luteal phase that I just read, and it has some suggestions about how to be sure you are assessing things correctly. Can''t hurt to have that info fresh in your mind when you see your doctor, who may or may not be really well informed about this issue and the best ways to sort it out. Don''t be surprised if they tell you to wait and try TTC for a few months first, which, given the "borderline" nature of your luteal phase and the diffiulty pinpointing exactly when O occurrs, may not be a bad idea.

Here''s a Q blushing: When was your last day of wet/slippery CM, or just wet sentation, in the last 2 cycles? Was it the day of or just before the temp shift? Or was it a few days before the temp shift? If the CM dried up a few days before the temp shift, then TCOYF says that you maaaaay be counting your luteal phase wrong. Some women''s bodies are slow to react to progesterone and your luteal phase may be longer than the temp shift indicates... if the temp shift is delayed, assume that O happened the day of or the day after the last day of wet CF or wet vajayjay sensation.

everyone else just coming off hormonal BC: I just read that some of the most common issues coming off hormonal BC are a) anovulatory cycles, which are best identified with temping by seeing no clear bi-phasic pattern; b) irregular cycles, which pose problems for identifying fertile days unless you are carefully monitoring CF; c) poor quality CM, because the hormonal "feedback loop" is screwed up or because the ducts in the cervix that create the fluid may be damaged (they can repair with time), best solution is timing BD for as close to O as possible, taking 500mg of vitimin B6 each day, or taking PLAIN robitussin (follow directions in TCOYF); d) short luteal phase indicating mistimed ovulation. All of these issues clear up with time but can take up to a year to correct themselves! Just good to know if you are coming of HBC, don''t panic, any issues may not be permanent or reason for concern.
 
Hey DD, what are the ''instructions'' for robitussin? I ordered the book, but it won''t get here before this cycle''s hot-to-trot days are over, and I want to try it this time around.

Are they quick to relay?
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:57:50 PM
Author: Independent Gal
So is that something they can do a blood test for?
Yes, but charting can be a good first step because it wil show you if you have issues with luteal phase length and it will also suggest if your Progesterone is low: if temps are juuuust above the cover line, this maaaay mean you have low progesterone. Chartign will also help make sure the blood test is done at the right time. According to TCOYF, with the blood test, it seems many doctors do the test at CD-21, assuming a 28 day cycle with O at CD-14. If you O later than CD-14, then testing progesterone at CD-21 may inaccurately tell you that you have a problem! As with many tests, they assume O as CD-14 so it is really really helpful to have some charts and to know when you O, so that you can make sure that the tests are done at the right time. TCOYF has lots of great info about this that I think will really help if medical procedures are required. For the progesterone test, you want to be sure that your level is being assessed against the proper base-line.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:08:55 PM
Author: Independent Gal
Hey DD, what are the ''instructions'' for robitussin? I ordered the book, but it won''t get here before this cycle''s hot-to-trot days are over, and I want to try it this time around.

Are they quick to relay?
Indy, I''ll write them down in a second but wanted to ask first whether you monitored CF last month and was is scanty? If so, you want to be SURE to do the f-tastic the day before O, which basically means you should DTD every day that you have fertile quality CF, since that''s the only way to be sure you DTD on the day before O. I know you were thinking of an every-two-days approach, but if you CM is not super-plentiful, this means that the swimmers can''t live as long waiting for eggo to appear. In that case, if the every second day method happens to mean you SKIP the day before O, then this might mean the boys can''t survive long enough to fertilize. I think this may have happened for us this month, as my CF was not very plentiful but we skipped the pre-O day.

Anyway, my point is that if you use the Robitussin, I wonder if it will artificially produce CM that will make it hard to know when you really O-d, which means you may want to DTD every day you take to Robitussin to be sure you hit the target. If you temp as welll, you will know in retrospect that your bases were covered.

instruction coming...
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:57:50 PM
Author: Independent Gal
So is that something they can do a blood test for?
Strange thing is, I had a blood test when I went for my pre-conception exam. I went on CD 21 which I heard is an ideal day to check your progestrone levels. My doc called a few days later and said my levels were normal!
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I have no idea what to think with that info which is why I really need to speak with her again regarding everything.
 
I''ve been monitoring my temperature, so I''ll have that info. But I only started this cycle so not sure what''s what yet.
 
you gals are a wealth of info
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Using Robitussin to increase the quantity and quality of your CF according to TCOYF:

-PLAIN
Robitussin expectorant (with no letters behind the name) or a generic version of it, with the sole ingredient being guaifenesin, 2 teaspoons 3 times a day starting about 4 days before you would expect your peak day (the last day of wet/slippery CF or wet vaginal sensation before your O and it dries up) and continuing until 2 days after your thermal shift. Along with helping to luquify mucus in the lungs, it also has the added benefit of making your CF wetter or more slippery. So if you produce only sticky or creamy CF (which is hostile to sperm), this may help. Beware! Use only plain robitussin because other types have ingredients that dry up CF. (note: use at your own risk, Dreamer takes no responsibility for anything that happens if you try this remedy
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Other tips:

-avoid any drugs that may dry uf CF, such as antihitamines (Amber this may mean you need to work on your CF??) atropine, belladonna, cough mixtures containing antihistamines, dicyclomine, progesterone (!! This is one of the unfortunate side effects to be aware of when timing the use of progesterone creames, be sure you take it after you O, which may be later than CD-14!!), propantheline, or tamoxifen. Clomid also dries up CF and may have the paradoxical effect of suppressing your fertility too.

-tak 500mg oral sustained-release Vitimin B6, once a day throughout the cycle.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:57:44 PM
Author: mela lu
wow. great info!
so, is there any way to help maintain your progesterone level during pregnancy? eek. I guess I really need to get on the preg thread. sorry
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good info though!
How do you, er, use it?
Apparently, progesterone cream is safe to use during pregnancy (it should be the natural stuff).

They say to use about 1/4 to 1/2 a teaspoon of progesterone cream on the inner arm, inner thigh, neck, and chest - alternating places - twice a day from ovulation to menstruation or until the 10th week of pregnancy.
 
DD - yes I have TCOYF - great book BTW! I had EWCM the day of the temp shift.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:23:18 PM
Author: blushingbride

Date: 5/26/2008 2:57:50 PM
Author: Independent Gal
So is that something they can do a blood test for?
Strange thing is, I had a blood test when I went for my pre-conception exam. I went on CD 21 which I heard is an ideal day to check your progestrone levels. My doc called a few days later and said my levels were normal!
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I have no idea what to think with that info which is why I really need to speak with her again regarding everything.
See my previous post BB, about why CD-21 may not be the right time to test, When was your O-day?? If it was earlier than CD-14, then the test at CD-21 could have been inaccurate (i.e., saying your CD-21 levels were "normal" for 7-DPO when your CD-21 may have been more than, or less than, 7-DPO)!!

If you O-d on CD-14, then maybe your luteal phase is fine and you are estimating the luteal phase wrong?
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:29:32 PM
Author: blushingbride
DD - yes I have TCOYF - great book BTW! I had EWCM the day of the temp shift.
Okay, then my only other Q is what CD that was?
 
Date: 5/26/2008 2:57:44 PM
Author: mela lu
wow. great info!
so, is there any way to help maintain your progesterone level during pregnancy? eek. I guess I really need to get on the preg thread. sorry
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good info though!
How do you, er, use it?
Mela since you got preggers you don''t need to worry about taking progesterone, since your luteal phase was obviously long enough to implant
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... unless in the future your have issues with very early miscarriage (knock wood!! knock wood!!), which you won''t! (knock wood!! knock wood!!)
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:27:09 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

-tak 500mg oral sustained-release Vitimin B6, once a day throughout the cycle.


OK, I''m off the drugstore.

But about the B-6, my ''for women'' multi-vitamin recommended by my doc for pre-conception has 100% of daily required B-6... which is... TWOmg. So 500mg of B6 is 250 x the daily recommended dose.

I just have to wonder if that could be dangerous in some unanticipated way. I mean, that''s a pretty serious ''over''dose. So I think I''ll skip that. No sense cutting off the nose to spite the face. Although, frankly, given the size of my nose, it could use a little trimming.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:32:03 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 5/26/2008 3:29:32 PM
Author: blushingbride
DD - yes I have TCOYF - great book BTW! I had EWCM the day of the temp shift.
Okay, then my only other Q is what CD that was?
Okay I stalked your posts and saw you O-d on CD-2o or 21 this cycle. That is considered "late" so you will want to tell your doc that when you meet for sure. It means that assessing progesterone on CD-21 in a futre cycle where you O on CD-20 will not be accurate! As for the earlier measurement on CD-21, who knows where you were in you cycle REALLY at that time, since you weren''t charting, were you?? Anyways, most docs assume you O at CD-14, and since we can vary month to month, be your own advocate and insist they take that into account and don''t just automatically do tests on a "normal" 28 day cycle schedule.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:39:21 PM
Author: Independent Gal

Date: 5/26/2008 3:27:09 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

-tak 500mg oral sustained-release Vitimin B6, once a day throughout the cycle.


OK, I''m off the drugstore.

But about the B-6, my ''for women'' multi-vitamin recommended by my doc for pre-conception has 100% of daily required B-6... which is... TWOmg. So 500mg of B6 is 250 x the daily recommended dose.

I just have to wonder if that could be dangerous in some unanticipated way. I mean, that''s a pretty serious ''over''dose. So I think I''ll skip that. No sense cutting off the nose to spite the face. Although, frankly, given the size of my nose, it could use a little trimming.
I agree about the B6... not sure about that dosage. Maybe ask the Pharmacist? TCOYF mentions that really high doses can be toxic (ahhh!) so this isn''t something to be taken lightly.

My super-vitimins have 16mg. Maybe that is enough??

VITIMIN NEWS! My mom read that new research suggest taking 2000IU of vitimin D every day when preggers (RDI is 500IU), which has been shown to clinically reduce instances of juvenile type 1 diabetes. Another good side effect, taking that much vitimin D also reduces by HALF many types of cancers that women are susceptible to. This research was all over the canadian media a while back and apparently the Canadian gov''t is going to change the RDI''s based on it.
 
Yup, I just looked it up and according to the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF CLINICAL NUTRITION, a British study showed that more than 50mg per day is considered an overdose of B-6 which can cause nerve damage and other health problems that manifest for as long as ten years after the overdose. Apparently, the FDA was sticking to its story that 500 mg is the baseline overdose but let''s just say erring on the side of caution there sounds wise to me.
 
Date: 5/26/2008 3:46:47 PM
Author: Independent Gal
Yup, I just looked it up and according to the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF CLINICAL NUTRITION, a British study showed that more than 50mg per day is considered an overdose of B-6 which can cause nerve damage and other health problems that manifest for as long as ten years after the overdose. Apparently, the FDA was sticking to its story that 500 mg is the baseline overdose but let''s just say erring on the side of caution there sounds wise to me.
Wow. She does include a caveat to check with a nutritionist about this advice later, but not in the bullet point! That isn''t very responsible, now, is it?

I''ll stick with my 16mg.
 
Yeah, that makes sense DD. I will be sure to tell my doc everything so she knows exactly what''s going on. I feel a bit down regarding all this...I hope that it''s something that can resolve itself easy...they say it can, but I hope for me that''s the case.
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Date: 5/26/2008 3:50:15 PM
Author: blushingbride
Yeah, that makes sense DD. I will be sure to tell my doc everything so she knows exactly what's going on. I feel a bit down regarding all this...I hope that it's something that can resolve itself easy...they say it can, but I hope for me that's the case.
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BB try not to feel too down! You are addressing this very early, it may not actually be a problem since you haven't tried TTC yet!! I'm sure talking to the doc will help, but like I said, be prepared for the possibility that they say, "Why don't you TTC a few months first?"

Also, your body may still be adjusting to coming off the pill. I know you went off last October, but it can take a looong time! ETA: if you are young and slim apparently it takes longer for your cycle to regulate after coming off the pill. Well, if that's you, I am sorry, but not toooo sorry since that means you are young and slim!
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Cling to the positive things you know: you have high quality CM (
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I second all the GREAT advise and kudos that Dreamer just posted!
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wow. This is so fascinating. Especially the vitamins. There is so much we laymen dont know! I''m going to check my pre-natal vits when I get home.
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I''m serioulsy praying right now that this pregnancy sticks. I have no reason to think otherwise, but I''m human, and I cant help but worry a bit. Any tips on ''staying pg'' up your sleeves?

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OK, I got myself some ''Wal-tussin''. That stuff is na-asty. YUCK! But I washed it down with a pistacchio gelato chaser. Smooth.
 
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