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To all the dealers trashing Lab Diamonds

Roselina said:
For me it is not. It's that fact that our earth is capable of forming something like that. It's not so much the time factor. It's rather the nature factor. Futhermore I am a museums professional. I like things with history. The older the better. So I prefer vintage jewellery compared to new jewellery. I love both but prefer the first.
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DejaWiz said:
Exactly! This is why they are correctly categorized as "synthetic" diamonds, per the definitions of the words synthesis and synthetic.

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

synthesis
noun
/ˈsɪn.θə.sɪs/ uk /ˈsɪn.θə.sɪs/
synthesis noun (CHEMICAL PRODUCTION)
[ U ] chemistry specialized
the production of a substance from simpler materials after a chemical reaction

synthetic
noun [ C ]
/sɪnˈθetɪk/ us
an artificial substance or material:
Man-made gem products are known as synthetics.
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Might man-made gem products refer to something more along the lines of cubic zirconia? It seems GIA does not use the word synthetic to describe lab-created diamonds: “GIA has been grading laboratory-grown diamonds since 2007. Beginning July 1, 2019, GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Reports and identification reports no longer use the term “synthetic.” The GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Report includes the standard GIA color, clarity and cut…”
 
Whose bread I eat, his song I sing....

Early on there was big $$ behind the Synthetic Diamond business (they used to sell 80% of Nat Price) they lobbied FTC etc to allow the use of Lab Grown instead of Synthetic... Essentially they wanted to make the product more palatable and create a false equivalency between their manufactured product and real diamonds.... And then they pushed the pejorative "Mined" or Earth Grown nonsense.....
 
freddyboston said:
Whose bread I eat, his song I sing....

Early on there was big $$ behind the Synthetic Diamond business (they used to sell 80% of Nat Price) they lobbied FTC etc to allow the use of Lab Grown instead of Synthetic... Essentially they wanted to make the product more palatable and create a false equivalency between their manufactured product and real diamonds.... And then they pushed the pejorative "Mined" or Earth Grown nonsense.....
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So I think you just said it that lab-created diamonds are not real diamonds. Thank you, Freddyboston for the clarification.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Might man-made gem products refer to something more along the lines of cubic zirconia? It seems GIA does not use the word synthetic to describe lab-created diamonds: “GIA has been grading laboratory-grown diamonds since 2007. Beginning July 1, 2019, GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Reports and identification reports no longer use the term “synthetic.” The GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Report includes the standard GIA color, clarity and cut…”
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They do and did, prior to the FTC rules being put in place, forcing them to be referred to as "Lab Grown" instead of synthetic:

"Man-made gem products" is merely a loose identifier of origin.
The name of the gemstone itself will be the distinguishing identifier, examples:

Man-made Moissanite
Man-made Ruby
Man-made Emerald
Man-made Pearl
Man-made Diamond

...all of the above can and have been found as natural/earth grown (sorry, freddyboston but that term is great as a layperson's identifier or even a superlative definition for natural-only gemstone lovers, in my humble opinion).

Alas, I personally prefer the term "human grown", "lab grown", or "synthetic" to describe the origin of whatever gemstone is at the crux instead of "man-made".

Most people are familiar with the skewed "Hollywood definition" instead of the classic/scientific definition of the word "synthetic" which is why there is a stigma attached to the word, so I can understand the big push to get the FTC to formulate specific rules.
 
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I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.
 
freddyboston said:
I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.
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Applying that same approach, what about naming all of the other gemstones that I mentioned in my most recent reply?
Example:
Natural Moissanite vs synthetic ___________?

www.americangemsociety.org

Moissanite

Originally found in a meteorite, this gemstone has more fire than a diamond and is now mostly lab-grown due to its rareness, making it more affordable.
www.americangemsociety.org www.americangemsociety.org
 
Rockdiamond said:
Disruption. That’s an accurate way to describe what man made diamonds have caused to the jewelry business as a whole.
I’ve been on Pricescope many years.
I’m a vendor, that’s clear.
I’ll be 100% bluntly honest here… as great as the forum and moderation has been, there are times I wonder the motivation of members who are very vociferous.
I’m not making any accusations here. But the disruption I refer to is deep.
A number of sellers of each sort of diamond feel the need to trash the other. That’s my whole point of starting this thread.
Maybe someone so desperately trying to change hearts and minds was deeply affected by these sales pitches.
Or they just want to stir the pot
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Interesting and thought provoking.

it’ll evolve to an echo chamber to one/a few persons way of thought.
More of a gallery than a forum.
Because the differing opinion of the two diamonds will be considered contentious. Maybe it’ll survive as being a gallery. Maybe it won’t.

Or the pot, after being stirred, will go back to what the pot naturally does. Evolve as it will without conforming to a certain way of thought. Maybe it’ll survive, maybe not.
 
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Call me a hopeless optimist….. but the fact so much brouhaha has been made is a good sign. People are interested
 
freddyboston said:
I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.
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Like a pallasite peridot vs a regular Earth made one.
 
I have all earth grown diamonds recovered through the trashing of the earth. I have now seen the horrendous pictures of the diamond pits and I also realize man created or synthetic diamonds have their ecological issues.

If I was younger, all of my diamonds would be synthetic or man-created or lab diamonds. I appreciate the absolute beauty of these stones, the ingenuity to create them and the price point. I am not affected by how they are labeled and would most likely share their origin immediately, I think they are amazing.

Labeling is an attempted control issue to elevate one's own status. How many unwitting consumers are wearing what others call "frozen spit" and yet they are earth grown diamonds? Should a pecking order be developed from that label...

I can appreciate that some only want an earth grown diamond and I can appreciate others choice of synthetic diamonds. Bottom line.. labeling is a waste of time, do what makes you happy. And if I ever obtain a lab diamond, anyone is welcome to call it a synthetic diamond, it shall not remove any of it's beauty and I'd wear it proudly.
 
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