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Yup, That's why HRC lost the 2016 election.
Who are the top democratic presidential candidates for 2020?
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Is anyone else watching the Super Tuesday returns? Biden is really on a roll. The victory in South Carolina started momentum that has built and built. Yesterday he got ringing endorsements from Pete Buttigieg and Beto O'Rourke as well as from Amy Klobuchar. Tonight he is wiping the floor up with Sanders and Bloomberg.
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Robbery? Biden is legitimately winning tonight.
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Agreed; voters are speaking, which - like it or not - is a good thing.
I’m shocked - but not really - that Warren couldn’t even carry her own state. I think she’s just hanging on now to either piss on Bernie for the comment she alleged him to have made (about a woman being president), or perhaps she’s been encouraged to stay in just to bring Bernie’s numbers down in support of Biden, with promises of a cushy post, if ...
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VP? Biden, Warren
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She is too old. He will need a young VP.
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Pete!
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That’s what I have been trying to say, but not from the position of a ‘non-Dem’ (as some have suggested), but as a human being looking at another human being who is showing signs of ‘cognitive’ concern.
As a candidate for POTUS, his behavior/weaknesses are a fair point for others to assess (and possibly criticize) him on. In other words, if his camp says ‘he is fine’, then his ‘gaffes’ become fair game and can be used ‘politically’ against him. But, if it’s later revealed he really isn’t ‘fine’, it becomes embarrassing, demoralizing and robs him of his dignity. And that’s just not kind ... regardless of your political affiliation.
If he is ‘declining’, it almost feels like a form of ‘elderly abuse’ all for the sake of politics and ‘winning’. And that is just wrong.
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No way. Why would he pick Warren whom can't win her own state?. Klobuchar would make more sense for Biden.
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It’s not about Biden vs anyone ... this is about him as an individual.
Trump says stupid shizz...no one is arguing that. But he doesn’t forget what state he is in, who he is actively talking to, what day it is, and whether someone is his wife or sister ... all in the same week, on camera, in front of a live ‘audience’.
Disagree, stomp your feet, and yell “but Trump, Trump, Trump” all you want, but doing so doesn’t miraculously make Biden less worrisome in terms of these very-concerning signs that - most of us who have witnessed loved ones suffer with dementia & Alzheimer’s - recognize all too well.
I hope I’m wrong, but I bet - if Joe gets the nod and wins in November - his ride as POTUS doesn’t last more than a year, two at best. Again, I hope I’m wrong; I do not wish dementia/Alzheimer’s on anyone or their family ... it’s a horrible, horrible disease.
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Read it again... I think you are trumped up and need to reread.
Good,so you finally come to your senses and you'll vote for Trump?...
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I do recall when we had a Pres, named Ronald Reagen ,who showed many signs of Alzheimers. His wife looked after him carefully. You could see her giving him the right words when he was speaking. His strong staff also helped him along. I think Joe Biden will have the same care by his Dr. wife jill, and I suspect he will have a strong staff who will support him.
The mental derangement of DT is far worse than anything that we have ever seen. Joe Biden will do fine. I am happy that I may be able to vote.
Rep Jim Clyburn?sp. will probably want to have a say in the VP selection. Harris may be a big contender. I prefer Amy, but Pete is a very smart guy and I would support that as well.
Biden has a decency about him. I agree he is too old, but the monster in the white house must be vanquished.
Annette
I do recall when we had a Pres, named Ronald Reagen ,who showed many signs of Alzheimers. His wife looked after him carefully. You could see her giving him the right words when he was speaking. His strong staff also helped him along. I think Joe Biden will have the same care by his Dr. wife jill, and I suspect he will have a strong staff who will support him.
The mental derangement of DT is far worse than anything that we have ever seen. Joe Biden will do fine. I am happy that I may be able to vote.
Rep Jim Clyburn?sp. will probably want to have a say in the VP selection. Harris may be a big contender. I prefer Amy, but Pete is a very smart guy and I would support that as well.
Biden has a decency about him. I agree he is too old, but the monster in the white house must be vanquished.
Annette
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I know you don't kid, but surely surely you are kidding about this? You would back Trump:
Taj Mahal layoff: 2848 workers
Trump Plaza: 3000 workers
Trump Hotel and Casino: 1400 workers
And this is not including the support businesses that he bankrupted.
I don't think Bloomberg is any more a snob or elitist than Trump, it's just that since Trump espouses BIG GUNS, hate of foreigners, his racist rants, and love of greed and money makes him attractive to those who rarely admit to these thoughts but vote for him. Now again round robin he didn't win the votes, lost those by 2.5million so I am heartened that maybe this time around those few that threw their towel in with him because for some unearthly reason hated Clinton, maybe those few will swing this race for whomever the democrats throw in.
Taj Mahal layoff: 2848 workers
Trump Plaza: 3000 workers
Trump Hotel and Casino: 1400 workers
And this is not including the support businesses that he bankrupted.
I don't think Bloomberg is any more a snob or elitist than Trump, it's just that since Trump espouses BIG GUNS, hate of foreigners, his racist rants, and love of greed and money makes him attractive to those who rarely admit to these thoughts but vote for him. Now again round robin he didn't win the votes, lost those by 2.5million so I am heartened that maybe this time around those few that threw their towel in with him because for some unearthly reason hated Clinton, maybe those few will swing this race for whomever the democrats throw in.
At Bloomberg’s ‘town hall’ tonight, he claimed he is too controversial for commercial travel, and really really needed his private jet to fly around the country shutting down coal plants and putting people out of work. I can’t remember if this was before or after he reminded viewers how rich he was and why others aren’t worthy of self-protection via the same firearms his security detail possesses.
The only thing that could have been more hypocritical, elitist, and ‘out of touch’ was it he’d have prefaced his comments with "hold my Big Gulp".
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Yes. He does.
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Ummm, I named a few in my post that you quoted. Do you want me to post the videos for you as well to relive those awkward, embarrassing moments? They’re readily available via Google, YouTube, Twitter, etc. if so.
No point in further discussing ‘Big Gulp’ Bloomberg since he is out now. Imagine the actual ‘good’ that $500M could have done in various communities ... but hey, it’s his money and he can flush it down the toilet of his private jet if he wants.
Lastly, I get Joe has a wife, would have advisors, etc., and a strong support network is important, but his wife’s and advisors’ names are not on any ballot, they won’t be signing bills, creating executive orders, etc. Joe’s name is, HE is the candidate, HE is the one to evaluate, HE is the person people would potentially choose in November.
If ‘you’ don’t care/worry about his health and ability to govern, and just want to win, beat Trump, etc., no matter what, by all means ... give him the nod! It’s your party that reaps the benefits and consequences of ‘your’ choice to nominate him. I just think it’s incredibly selfish, ignorant, and short-sighted to not ask these questions and ignore the obvious & legitimate concerns people have about this given his behavior/performance on the campaign trail. And those concerns DO sway votes, otherwise releasing medical records wouldn’t be a thing.
I’m trying to stay on-topic vs turning this thread into yet another Trump-hate-fest ... but FYI to those saying ‘Trump does the same thing...’, you do realize you’re saying that this ‘behavior’ you’re likening between Biden & Trump is actually acceptable to you so long as it’s your guy doing/saying/displaying it.
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We can speak to matters of degree forever. Nothing Biden has done so far matches (imo) the degree of incompetence and stupidity exhibited by trump. Trump threatens democracy, civil rights, the Constitution, and most everything else I can think of that this country allegedly holds sacred. Biden isn't anywhere near that bad.
What is your take, then, on Trump's mental acuity as an individual? Are you arguing that he displays more than Biden? If so, I'd be interested in seeing some evidence that bears that out.
This is a slight t/j, but you are one of the posters I see chiding people when you feel that they are less than polite in these threads, but use of phrases like this, "Disagree, stomp your feet, and yell" doesn't tend to elicit positive response or elevated discourse. When people respond in kind, you call them out for whining. I, for one, would be interested in seeing you either present an actual argument for Trump's superiority in this area, or engage in a conversation on the feeling that come November you could well be in a position of having to choose between two candidates about whose cognitive abilities you have similar concerns. Personally, I don't think Biden has dementia, but I'm not falling over with excitement at the age of any of the candidates. It doesn't seem like you're particularly interested in doing either, unfortunately.
On a slightly different note, is there a reason your posts are so liberally sprinkled with caps, bolding, underlines, italics and single quote marks--(sometimes around the same phrase (use of any one of those devices negates the need for another)? I ask because I know I have a visceral negative reaction to many of your posts that keeps me from trying to engage with any of your thoughts and ideas. Most editors will tell you that overuse of these things can create a feeling of aggressiveness or rudeness to the writing.
And, just as another aside, single quotes are generally used either to indicate a quote within a quote or as scare quotes, to indicate that a word or phrase is being used somehow unexpectedly--to indicate disbelief, error, irony or sarcasm. For example: The only thing that could have been more hypocritical, elitist, and ‘out of touch’ was it he’d have prefaced his comments with "hold my Big Gulp" Why the quotes around out of touch?
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These are sweet sentiments but I’m actually talking about Joe’s cognitive impairments affecting his ability to hold his own when he goes toe to toe in a debate against trump. When Biden stumbles, stutters and fails, Trump will humiliate him and people will perceive Biden as weak.
I agree that Biden’s shortcomings are better than Trump’s personality disorder. Many of the voters don’t see this issue. If they did, Trump wouldn’t be in office in the first place.
moderate isn’t going to do it this time. Did no one learn from 2016?
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T, I knew exactly you meant...
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My friend was speaking with her son who is in his 20s. He was excitedly talking about Bernie and how he will beat Trump by turning out the youth vote. He was going on and on about the revolution. Then this happened.
My friend, "Did you vote for Bernie today?"
Her son, "No, I'm waiting for the general election."
You can't make this s#$% up.
My friend, "Did you vote for Bernie today?"
Her son, "No, I'm waiting for the general election."
You can't make this s#$% up.
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My prediction. It doesn't matter who the democrats put down for their nominee. The Democrats have better than even odds of winning the presidential election. It's not so much 1 thing, but the accumulation of many many dumb and stupid and corrupt things that Trump has done. People are FED UP with him. However I also predict, this is going to be a dirty, dirty election. There is going to be interference, and millions dumped in both direct advertising, indirect influence, bots posing as people, as well as opinion "news" to malign the democratic candidate. Also to pitting different groups against each other. Not so much to change people's minds. But to make such a mess of it, people are disgusted and don't vote.
The biggest deal that may come out of this election, not just presidential is I'm hoping is strengthening protections of our democratic elections. Preventing foreign influence in our elections. So far the Republicans has blocked these attempts. If you can't win unless you cheat, if you are willing to sell your loyalty to your country for loyalty to a figurehead, or for personal profit, YA need to go. It's that simple. The current crop of Republicans are - untrustworthy. Yes you can get away with so much, but at some point people get fed up and get rid of the corruption. Sometimes it takes longer than others. It doesn't matter how many fellow cronies Trump pardons, commutes sentences for, etc. we still have free elections. We can still show up and throw the bum out. And even if you refrain from voting for a presidential candidate, at least vote for senators and congress people who actually represent the people in their district versus being a McConnell and Trump sock puppet. If nothing else, vote for people who will support election reform, get big money out of elections, and act against interference in US elections. If the current crop of politicians don't have the guts to do so, vote them out.
Senate GOP blocks three election security bills
Senate Republicans blocked an effort by Democrats to unanimously pass three election security-related bills Tuesday, marking the latest attempt to clear legislation ahead of the November electionsD…thehill.com
Senate GOP blocks bill to force reporting of foreign dirt in campaigns
A Republican senator blocked Democrats’ effort Thursday to try to pass a bill that would have required any presidential candidate who is offered dirt on an opponent by a foreign entity to report it to the FBI.www.washingtontimes.com
But statistically, if there is no economy crisis, the country tends to vote for the previous candidate. The Democrats would have had a better chance if Trump lost his electorate, but I don’t see it happening. It is us, the Democrats and the independent, are debating, “oh, I would have voted for Yang with both hands...now, not so sure”, or “I really like Warren”. In the other camp, people are calm. And have you ever seen posts from rural Midwest (I have, not by choice, but resourcing something unrelated to politics). I swear, many people address Trump as he were God Almighty. “President Trump, come see what is happening”. This is shocking and very curious, this phenomenon. So I don’t see him losing. Now, without the electoral college, surely, he’d have far fewer chances.
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And it is horribly unfair. I came from the Soviet Union, and predictably, don’t like Sanders, but of all politicians, he has the hugest number of followers on social media. People donated to his campaign. I didn’t view it in 2016 the way I do now, but DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz came across as extremely egotistical during that time.
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