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Who are the top democratic presidential candidates for 2020?

When are we going to have a candidate that will dismantle the foster care systems in this country? They take children from their parents on a daily basis. And it's been going on for decades and it's legal !!!!! Oh, the shame.
 
tkyasx78 said:
How would this guy do as a canidate?
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepSwalwell

He speaks kind of akwardly from what little i have seen , but he seems like a straightforward no nonsence person?
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I know him very well although I am not from California since I have spent my life glued to MSNBC since TRUMP was elected and he is on the House Intelligence Committee. He is a good guy. He is a former prosecutor, the son of a policeman, and intelligent. He is not (I think) ready to run for president, though. Maybe senator. I do hope he stays around. I like him.

AGBF
 
Johnbt said:
When are we going to have a candidate that will dismantle the foster care systems in this country? They take children from their parents on a daily basis. And it's been going on for decades and it's legal !!!!! Oh, the shame.
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If you actually have a point, I suggest that you sharpen up your communication skills. What you wrote above is not satire and it is not witty political commentary. I do not understand your point and I doubt any other reader here does. If you want to be taken seriously and treated as one of the "adults" about whom you keep writing, act like an adult and write like one.

I am a social worker. The United States foster care system has been in place for many years. It is a terrible place for children to be placed. However, being without parents is also horrible for children, as is living with abusive and negligent parents. If you have nothing constructive to say about the foster care system, why bring it up here? As I said above, what is your point?

AGBF
 
Johnbt said:
When are we going to have a candidate that will dismantle the foster care systems in this country? They take children from their parents on a daily basis. And it's been going on for decades and it's legal !!!!! Oh, the shame.
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What in the world are you taking about? Do you understand how foster care works, and when/how it's used?
 
redwood66 said:
I am a conservative and none of those things, especially angry or fearful. In fact the generalization of conservatives in this piece is offensive and out of touch.
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Leonard Pitts is highly regarded among his peers and a Pulitzer Prize winner. He is not out of touch. He wrote truths you don't like.

In the US there has been an exponential increase in hate crimes against minority races, LGBTQ people, and 2 of the world's largest religious groups (Jewish & Muslim) since trump was elected. Hate is fueled by anger and fear. It has been repeatedly reported by conservative and liberal political analysts that anger and fear at being ignored by the "coastal elites", fear and anger of lack of employment, fear and anger over loss of jobs and low wages (among other things) by the conservative midwest & south helped put trump in office. One third of the country was angry and fearful enough to get him elected. Trump's hateful rhetoric and masterful use of fear preys on the vulnerabilities of that 1/3 of the population and has also given new legitimacy to fringe hate groups.

Trump rally attendees cheer when he mocks McCain and George HW Bush; cheer when he refers to immigrants as animals; cheer when he calls Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas; cheer when he mocks the #metoo movement. He is vile; the people who support him are vile. He is the face of the nation; his supporters represent this nation when their hateful actions are televised. Trump and his supporters are the public face of conservatives who have earned those generalizations that offend you.
 
This is his opinion of his truth and it may match yours. I will not try to explain or excuse people who do horrific things because there is no excuse, and they are individuals. But painting with a broad brush can be done by both parties. I don't believe in a collective mindset. People like the person who started the #walkaway movement have another truth. If you don't recognize that then you are looking only for confirmation bias in your bubble.
 
redwood66 said:
This is his opinion of his truth and it may match yours. I will not try to explain or excuse people who do horrific things because there is no excuse, and they are individuals. But painting with a broad brush can be done by both parties. I don't believe in a collective mindset. People like the person who started the #walkaway movement have another truth. If you don't recognize that then you are looking only for confirmation bias in your bubble.
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You're using psychobabble to create an impression of truth or plausibility for your own confirmation bias. This round goes to you. Your bubble is bigger than mine :D
 
Matata said:
You're using psychobabble to create an impression of truth or plausibility for your own confirmation bias. This round goes to you. Your bubble is bigger than mine :D
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You just don't like my POV to use your words then. ;-)

BTW this isn't a contest between us my friend.
 
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redwood66 said:
You just don't like my POV to use your words then.
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Parts of your POV appeal to me, parts don't. I'm not fond of collective mindset either.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the Ds worst enemy.
 
From the great (D) party of JFK to a socialist party?
JFK fought socialism, USSR and Cuba but today's (D) party embraces socialism. :(sad

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Andrew Gillum

Never thought I would live to see this day....:(sad
 
Matata said:
Parts of your POV appeal to me, parts don't. I'm not fond of collective mindset either.
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What does that even mean? I don't get the constant desire to proudly declare one's self as not-one-of-the-herd. I'M an independent, I think different things than the masses. Well, of course you think different things than lots of other people. But there's a whole lot of "masses" out there, and at the end of the day, you probably aren't different enough to declare yourself truly outside being grouped with a whole lot of other individuals who are holding very similar sets of beliefs in their heads too.

You also can't decry a loss of community without acknowledging that community requires people to sublimate some of their rampant individualism for the good of that community - community that is dying on the vine because everyone wants to be UNIQUE. So yes, that usually involves something of a "collective" mindset. Winning at elections also requires people to act as a collective.

So I'm a big fan of the power of collective thought. Without it, none of us accomplishes much outside of our own heads and our own front yards.
 
ksinger said:
What does that even mean?
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Are you in a bad mood? Did I do something to piss you off because it seems you are being a tad uppity in your response to this old post. There are negatives to collective thought as well as good and red and I are intelligent enough to know that and have it inform the subtext of our responses to each other. But thanks for girl-splaining mindset to me.

ksinger said:
So I'm a big fan of the power of collective thought. Without it, none of us accomplishes much outside of our own heads and our own front yards.
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Except for those geniuses who step outside of the collective and, usually with controversy, change the course of human history, thought, learning. Most especially, this applies to those in the sciences and to social justice warriors. And then let's give props to those collectives that are in the news daily since trump was elected -- neo-nazis, evangelicals, racists, misogynists -- lovely examples of group think.
 
AGBF said:
Hi, johnbt-

Your bursting into this thread with something negative to say about a woman I admire (and having so few postings to your name) made me look you up. I wondered if you had joined Pricescope in order to engage in controversial political discussions.

I ended up reading the story of your fiancée's (now your wife's?) lost (and found) Whiteflash ring during your trip to The Outer Banks in North Carolina. Thank you for sharing that; it is a great story.
I hope all is going well for you!

Best,
Deb/AGBF
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Deb,

People have the right to not like Ocasio-Cortez.

I don't support her either, and it has nothing to do with where she grew up. She plays in "socialism", having no clue what it really is.

Has anyone asked himself, why is it so that most immigrants from the former USSR vote for Republicans? I am an exception to the rule. Why is it so that most Cubans vote Republican? Everyone who has seen socialism in action will never ever support it.

(Ah, Bernie says, but that was not socialism, in USSR. Socialism is in Finland...)

I respect Bernie, but sometimes I think he has no clue. Because from economic standpoint, capitalism with high taxes, existing in a culturally and ethnically homogeneous society, is not yet socialism.

If they ever try to build socialism in the US, with its culturally, ethnically, and religiously heterogeneous society, it will fail terribly.
 
Arkteia said:
Deb,

I don't support her either, and it has nothing to do with where she grew up. She plays in "socialism", having no clue what it really is.
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We finally agree on something. :clap::lol:
 
It is good that the Democrats are thinking of the new elections.
After the shameful vote of 14 of our Democratic Senators against Klobuchar-Sanders bill, I do not formally consider myself a Democrat, or rather, I vote like a Democrat, but the Democratic party is not my party any longer. Maybe it is more honest to be independent at this point.
I can't imagine Cory Booker winning.
Gillibrand, who votes more honestly, I don't respect after the way she bashed Clinton's and broke the career of Al Franken, so, no.
If Kamala Harris runs, I'd vote for her, but does she have a chance?

I don't know. I think we have new faces, and new names. Most of those who might run may have the same vulnerability, it seems.

Big part of the problem lies in the fact that, Trump aside, there have been so many right-wing, crazy extremists in the Republican party that the two parties have lost the ability to dialogue. I still remember 22-hour-long speeches of Ted Cruz. He nearly became nominated.

How did we come to it. When did we miss that curve? I personally believe that it came with Cheney, that that election, when Gore did not get his deserved presidency, was fateful, but I might be wrong.
 
JPie said:
More likely the fumes from his burning Nikes.
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I can't afford a pair of Nike. ;( I have been wearing $30 - $40 pair of sneakers for the past 30 yrs.
 
If Ben Sasse ran against Trump in 2020 for the republican nomination (assuming Trump doesn't have a twitter heart attack or get impeached or go to jail between now and then,) he would most assuredly win. And probably be the next president. Just my opinion....
 
I hope the dems will put my new HERO'S on the list starting with Senator Booker. kavanaugh is flat out LYING and trying to avoid answers and Booker put it all on the line to show it is a lie.
:appl::appl::appl::appl::appl::appl:
Senator Durbin, Senator Schumer, Senator Hirono have said put there names on the list too for ousting.

They are all heros today. I only wish republicans could find SOMEONE that is such an amazing profile in courage.
I dont agree with democrats often politically ( I am without a party now ) but KUDOS for doing what is right to those senators. What the republicans are doing is WRONG.

Senator Booker has an A+ in my book. I wish I could thank him.
 
tkyasx78 said:
I hope the dems will put my new HERO'S on the list starting with Senator Booker.
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Senator Booker has an A+ in my book. I wish I could thank him.
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I can appreciate any candidate being a 'maverick' in trying to do the right thing, but NOT when it is in stark contrast to rules/laws. Further, if I were a Dem, I would not support Booker for his antics today, but rather, the opposite. His 'stand' in the hearing was bogus, as the documents he was threatening to release had already been cleared for release hours before his charade. That means one of three things:

1) he isn't aware of that which he deems to be oh-so-important to threaten release on national television;
2) he is an opportunist grandstanding for 5 mins of fame in hopes of appearing brave for the purposes of generating support for his 2020 bid;
3) when in a position of authority, he feels he doesn't need to follow the rules that he agreed to when sworn into office (hello, kinda hypocritical considering all the Trump-bashing for the exact same behavior).
 
Trump is begging the Dimm party to nominate Booker in 2020.
 
JPie said:
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"I'd rather be waterboarding." :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

OMG I was searching for 2020 election bumper stickers and found this. I'm crying laughing.
 
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