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2ct eye-clean "white" GIA round diamond for $20k?

This is hard when you can't hold it in your hand.
 
jimyhoff|1394215027|3629386 said:
http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/2.05-carat-h-si1-excellent-round-cut-diamond-gid-172617.html
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I would worry about the big crystal on the table. You could call and ask if it was eye clean.
 
jimyhoff|1394217513|3629410 said:
msop04|1394216148|3629396 said:
What about this one, OP? It's just under 2ct, so it will be in budget. HCA 1.9 :))

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-244383
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I'm all for going smaller but I think she'd prefer to cut corners in other areas and get the little bit larger size. Silly I know.
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FWIW, her eye will not be able to tell the difference between 7.9mm and 8.1mm -- however, if you cut corners or color or clarity, this will be visible (the exception would be an eye clean SI).

That said, would she go to an I or J color with fluorescence?
 
jimyhoff|1394217643|3629411 said:
So maybe this one could work??? Is this a reputable store?

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-4687100-2.10-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=4687100&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

Scratch that one. I just noticed the wide variance in the girdle. Buying a diamond is really no fun.
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Buying a diamond should be fun! LOL ...you just get what you pay for, there are no "deals" -- do you (or does she) have to be able to say "it's a 2ct" ?? ...because the price point goes up at the 2 ct mark, so you may need to up your budget. If not, a stone with a very close spread will look EXACTLY like a 2 ct stone. Actually, some 2 carat stones can have the same spread as a smaller stone. It's all about the mm, not the "carat" that matters visually.
 
Everyone has a varying degree of tolerance to color and clarity. It's a personal thing. PSers are diamond connoissers, and they will give you impeccable advise. But, in the end you have to make the choice that is right for you and your budget. This is a lot of information ( and money) for a young man. Everyone wants to help educate you so that you can make an informed decision. To that end, I'm sure you will blow her socks off :love:
 
Laila619|1394220302|3629445 said:
msop04|1394219757|3629434 said:
If this stone is eye-clean, it is an excellent buy -- and large! (I, AGS 0) ...remember that the stones are magnified greatly, so this may indeed be eye clean.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-227333
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This one! :love:
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That's a really nice one, Laila619! Good find!

I'll add another with fluro/HCA 1.5/MBF -- this is my fave so far! :love: :love:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-248746
 
I have a similar dilema to you :P

The best i've found in a H is about 1.8 ct. Anything else has some kind of issues or a low HCA score. In all my faffing i missing this one which was perfect :(

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?pt=setform&track=DiamondSearchRD#diamonds_pid=LD03725298

2.00 ct / H / VS2 / HCA of 0.8 / $19,475

I haven't been able to find anything similar. I'm considering dropping to I, but then it gets really tempting to drop to J and get a 2.5 ct. I feel your pain!
 
These all look great. Dropping to I just scares me. My novice opinion would be that color is visible from a distance but little imperfections, if slightly eye visible, would only be seen if someone was looking closely at the diamond which in day-to-day life probably never happens?

I love two of them though if they look white.
 
msop04|1394220574|3629450 said:
Laila619|1394220302|3629445 said:
msop04|1394219757|3629434 said:
If this stone is eye-clean, it is an excellent buy -- and large! (I, AGS 0) ...remember that the stones are magnified greatly, so this may indeed be eye clean.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-227333
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This one! :love:
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That's a really nice one, Laila619! Good find!

I'll add another with fluro/HCA 1.5/MBF -- this is my fave so far! :love: :love:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-248746
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I know very little about fluorescence other than it makes a diamond look whiter and it glows in a bar. If you received a fluorescent diamond would you consider that a flaw?
 
Slightly over your budget (these are wire prices, you save a few % over CC):

2.02 / H / VS2 / HCA 2.7 / $21,132
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?pt=setform&track=DiamondSearchRD#diamonds_pid=LD04195825

2.14 / H / VS2 / HCA 2.3 / $20815 (one i was considering)
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?pt=setform&track=DiamondSearchRD#diamonds_pid=LD04113608

Note: something has to give! The HCA is close to 2 so they are worth looking at. Also look at the reports and confirm about the inclusions. They are VS2 so _should_ be eye clean.
 
jimyhoff|1394224646|3629518 said:
I know very little about fluorescence other than it makes a diamond look whiter and it glows in a bar. If you received a fluorescent diamond would you consider that a flaw?
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It's not a flaw, and it does make the diamond look whiter BUT, only in a light source that has UV in it, like sunlight. You probably don't care how white it looks in the sun because it'll be blinding you with reflections, and inside under incandescent light everything can look yellow anyway.

So my thinking so far has been it's nice to have it, but i'm not that fussed if it doesnt.
 
Most breakage would hapen due to cleavage break which could be a feather in that direction but the
feather may be in the other direction. A flawless diamond getting a knock can also break in two due to
the crystals direction of cleavage as diamond has perfect cleavage in four directions. Twinning wisps are also known as grain and that is also seen as a durability factor by some, as it is strain in a cleavage direction due dislodgement in the crystal.

I used to worry a lot about feathers but think if a gemmologist says it is okay, that it will be okay. An appraiser
would be able to check it for you during your return period.
 
jimyhoff|1394224646|3629518 said:
I know very little about fluorescence other than it makes a diamond look whiter and it glows in a bar. If you received a fluorescent diamond would you consider that a flaw?
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Absolutely not!! I love fluorescence!! :love: :love: :love:
 
kay1|1394224949|3629525 said:
jimyhoff|1394224646|3629518 said:
I know very little about fluorescence other than it makes a diamond look whiter and it glows in a bar. If you received a fluorescent diamond would you consider that a flaw?
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It's not a flaw, and it does make the diamond look whiter BUT, only in a light source that has UV in it, like sunlight. You probably don't care how white it looks in the sun because it'll be blinding you with reflections, and inside under incandescent light everything can look yellow anyway.

So my thinking so far has been it's nice to have it, but i'm not that fussed if it doesnt.
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+1
It's just a little "extra whitening" in certain lighting situations... but that never hurts! :bigsmile: As kay1 said, even a F or G stone can look yellow if in the right environment...
 
The guy from James Allen just wrote me back suggesting these two. Any thoughts? The first looks good for SI2 but white lines in the table. AGS 0 but only HCA 3.1. It looks yellower than a GIA H.

The second has twining whisps but otherwise looks clean. HCA 2.8

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.04-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-208788

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.12-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-184687

I think I'm probably downgrading too much by looking at SI2 diamonds? I don't know if the inclusions are eye visible but they probably are? I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting peoples time. Sorry.
 
jimyhoff|1394229472|3629576 said:
The guy from James Allen just wrote me back suggesting these two. Any thoughts? The first looks good for SI2 but white lines in the table. AGS 0 but only HCA 3.1. It looks yellower than a GIA H.

The second has twining whisps but otherwise looks clean. HCA 2.8

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.04-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-208788

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.12-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-184687

I think I'm probably downgrading too much by looking at SI2 diamonds? I don't know if the inclusions are eye visible but they probably are? I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting peoples time. Sorry.
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You don't run the HCA on AGS 0 stones. They are already graded for light performance. SI2 is fine as long as it's eye clean enough for you and the inclusion doesn't compromise the structural integrity of the stone. Don't worry, you're not wasting time!! This is what this forum is for -- helping and educating people on diamonds so that they can make an informed decision. :))

I like the AGS stone... did JA say that it was eye clean? It's magnified 40X, so hard to tell...
 
msop04|1394230622|3629590 said:
jimyhoff|1394229472|3629576 said:
The guy from James Allen just wrote me back suggesting these two. Any thoughts? The first looks good for SI2 but white lines in the table. AGS 0 but only HCA 3.1. It looks yellower than a GIA H.

The second has twining whisps but otherwise looks clean. HCA 2.8

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.04-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-208788

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.12-carat-h-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-184687

I think I'm probably downgrading too much by looking at SI2 diamonds? I don't know if the inclusions are eye visible but they probably are? I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting peoples time. Sorry.
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You don't run the HCA on AGS 0 stones. They are already graded for light performance. SI2 is fine as long as it's eye clean enough for you and the inclusion doesn't compromise the structural integrity of the stone. Don't worry, you're not wasting time!! This is what this forum is for -- helping and educating people on diamonds so that they can make an informed decision. :))

I like the AGS stone... did JA say that it was eye clean? It's magnified 40X, so hard to tell...
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And I really appreciate your help because I need it. He said "I do feel confident both diamonds will face up "eye clean" to the average, untrained eye". This just coming from the sales guy and not one of their gemologists. Worth considering?
 
I just held it. Thanks for your help!

I may take the weekend to go look at some GIA graded diamonds locally and make a final decision on whether I can live with I.
 
jimyhoff|1394232494|3629615 said:
I just held it. Thanks for your help!

I may take the weekend to go look at some GIA graded diamonds locally and make a final decision on whether I can live with I.
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Great! I think that's a wise decision to see for yourself... :)) (understand that you will be viewing the stone from the sides and from the top - face up), not face down. :bigsmile:
 
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