5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thoughts

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

JMO but I think it's really hard to tell anything from that pic. Also just my opinion, but antique stones are not always going to be absolutely *perfect* and to me that's part of their charm. I don't think it's that unusual for an old cut to have good symmetry. These stones were cut to a different standard. Of course you want a pretty stone, I'm not saying all antique stones should be accepted just because they're antiques. But I think, going by the pic, this stone deserves to be checked out.

Yes, I had a look at a few more elsewhere and it looks like a lot (most?) of antique stones only have Good symmetry.

I am not sure how else I can check the stone out. The vendor only sends me a few measly pics and it appears I have to "squeeze" them out of him!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

It was definitely worth exploring, Phoenix! The color did look great! You are like me in that you want the whole package...great everything...and it just takes time to find it! But you know it is worth it to wait for the right one from experience!

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

DS, you and I are both cut nuts! So maybe antique stones are not for me..I don't know (?).

I wish I could get an AVR or AVC at my pricepoint - am dreaming of course!

Never mind, this one just came along whilst I wasn't really looking. I guess it can just go...

ETA: just saw your new reply, DS. Thanks for that. How do I explore it? Ask for more pics? ...it's difficult since I'm not even in the same country. Also, price-wise, not sure if it'd work.

 

[ForteKitty]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

I don't expect antique stones to have very good+ symmetry because most of them don't need it to look good, unlike modern stones. I do, however, expect a good one to appear crisp. This one doesn't. The 10ct looks like it's very crisp.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

I don't expect antique stones to have very good+ symmetry because most of them don't need it to look good, unlike modern stones. I do, however, expect a good one to appear crisp. This one doesn't. The 10ct looks like it's very crisp.

LOL, is this a cushion terminology that I'd need to learn? I don't know what you mean by "crisp".

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

DS, you and I are both cut nuts! So maybe antique stones are not for me..I don't know (?).

I wish I could get an AVR or AVC at my pricepoint - am dreaming of course!

Never mind, this one just came along whilst I wasn't really looking. I guess it can just go...

ETA: just saw your new reply, DS. Thanks for that. How do I explore it? Ask for more pics? ...it's difficult since I'm not even in the same country. Also, price-wise, not sure if it'd work.

I really meant that I agreed with you that this one is not good enough from what we can already see. It was worth checking into, but I think you are wise in ruling it out. If a stone looks terrific in the initial pictures, then I'd want a video, and ASET, etc. But in this case, I think it could be ruled out from the pictures provided.

 

[ForteKitty]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

No, it's not a diamond terminology as far as I know. Just look at it, the center looks muddy and fuzzy. My oec never looks like that. Every facet is sharp and clean even though it only has "good" symmetry. If you're spending that much money, it better look crisp!

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

DS, you and I are both cut nuts! So maybe antique stones are not for me..I don't know (?).

I wish I could get an AVR or AVC at my pricepoint - am dreaming of course!

Never mind, this one just came along whilst I wasn't really looking. I guess it can just go...

ETA: just saw your new reply, DS. Thanks for that. How do I explore it? Ask for more pics? ...it's difficult since I'm not even in the same country. Also, price-wise, not sure if it'd work.

I really meant that I agreed with you that this one is not good enough from what we can already see. It was worth checking into, but I think you are wise in ruling it out. If a stone looks terrific in the initial pictures, then I'd want a video, and ASET, etc. But in this case, I think it could be ruled out from the pictures provided.

Oh, I re-read your last post and I mis-read. You said it WAS worth exploring.

I agree. Thanks for all your help, DS.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

No, it's not a diamond terminology as far as I know. Just look at it, the center looks muddy and fuzzy. My oec never looks like that. Every facet is sharp and clean even though it only has "good" symmetry. If you're spending that much money, it better look crisp!

I still am not too sure what you mean, but I think I am beginning to see it.

Anyway, it's quite certain I am ruling this one out, because you ladies have given it the thumbs-down and anyway for me the pricepoint just doesn't work (persuing).

I'm going back on your thread and others to see what "crisp" (as opoosed to "muddy" and "hazy") looks like. Hopefully, I'll get what you ladies mean after looking through past threads and pictures.

Thanks for your help too.

 

[ForteKitty]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

Sorry, that's the best description I can come up with... Crisp is pretty much opposite of hazy and muddy.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

Well Phoenix, our big sister of bling, excited you have decided to find a honker cushion...cushions being my fav. along with OEC's. Of course you should have one to add to your collection. After looking at hundreds of these lovely cuts, the 5.14 may not be perfect but does not mean that it still won't perform well. Both the 10c and the 5c have "good" symmetry...and the 5c seems to have some "mush" at the top of the table. Doesn't look like a bow tie effect to me though. Jon on GOG did a recent video of a modern cushion that had that slight mush under the table going on too but it was still bright and performed well in the video.

If the vendor is less than enthusiastic about the stone on the phone then it might mean it is not the best performer. The fact that he is willing to trade is truly a bonus. Would he do a video? Maybe you could look at it over Skype video conferencing as well. These people who try to sell their stones online need to get with the modern technology and they would make more sales IMO.

Finding the best cushion is an art, and they have been very popular in the last several years and are the oldest cut in diamonds. I like that it is a true antique stone as well. I've always felt that the larger antique diamonds must have been given to the best cutters of that day, but probably not always true.

The H color with the blue fl. is very desirable IMO too. Hope it turns out to be a great performing stone. The numbers look good...mid 60% depth and mid 50% table.

Thank you for chiming in. I've decided however not to pursue this further.

 

[Phoenix]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

Judging by the one picture, I would pass. It reminds me of my diamond (albeit mine is much, much smaller) -- in certain lighting, a band of all white or all dark facets runs across the middle. I would not want that quirk in a 5+ carat diamond.

Must be brief as posting from dubai airport. The band of dark facets as mogster pointed out is what I meant by a bow tie. The two areas are the mushy bits either side of the dark facets. Might still be ok in real life though! I admit that I love the crisp facets of the AVC so am hard to please with true antiques unless I fall in love with them in person.

Thank you for your input, rosetta.

As mentioned in posts above, I am going to drop this one.

Am glad I wrote in to ask for the opinions of you ladies. Help to prevent a big mistake.

 

[junebug17]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

am not sure how else I can check the stone out. The vendor only sends me a few measly pics and it appears I have to "squeeze" them out of him!

Ah ok...I thought he would furnish some more pics and perhaps a video but I guess not. Now that you've decided against the stone you can continue on to your other projects! That was a fun little detour though!

 

[distracts]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

Thank you, ladies.

I have a couple more pics from the vendor. I think there's def a band or "bow-tie" across the diamond, which would rule this stone out for me. It's too bad, because it looks really nice and white with a hint of the MBF.

I'm less concerned about the bowtie than the mush. I really dislike the mush. Pass.

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

Re: 5.14ct H VS1Cushion Brilliant - please give me your thou

No, it's not a diamond terminology as far as I know. Just look at it, the center looks muddy and fuzzy. My oec never looks like that. Every facet is sharp and clean even though it only has "good" symmetry. If you're spending that much money, it better look crisp!

I still am not too sure what you mean, but I think I am beginning to see it.

Anyway, it's quite certain I am ruling this one out, because you ladies have given it the thumbs-down and anyway for me the pricepoint just doesn't work (persuing).

I'm going back on your thread and others to see what "crisp" (as opoosed to "muddy" and "hazy") looks like. Hopefully, I'll get what you ladies mean after looking through past threads and pictures.

Thanks for your help too.

I'm sorry to hear this diamond wasn't "The One", but I know it's out there.

Phoenix, here are a few posts on "mushy": [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/mush-in-cushions-and-aset.177647/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/mush-in-cushions-and-aset.177647/[/URL] and [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cushion-experts-test-your-cushion-knowledge-with-pics.167177/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cushion-experts-test-your-cushion-knowledge-with-pics.167177/[/URL] . I think of it as hazy/ cloudy areas instead of crisp facets. I'm so glad I found PS as honestly I would have never noticed this in a diamond before--but absolutely notice it now.

Also, no I haven't created a SMTB on my HW inspired cushion. I need to do that. And what I meant by cushions facing up smaller for their weight--and I know they are deeper, but it's something having to do with the shape--they just look smaller than a MRB, even if the measurements are about the same. I cna't explain it and I may be the only person who thinks this, but I definitely thought it for sure. Maybe it's that I tend to equate size to finger coverage and cushions just cover the finger a bit differently than a MRB does.